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11-14-2008, 01:53 PM
MrToad

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Originally Posted by Polizei

There comes a point where you can only get so much fin area in such a small form factor, and you can only get so much performance out of that fin area. You can only get so much flow through the radiator. Instead of increasing fin density (and thus, fin area), they increased the form factor of the radiator, to maintain a low fin density so people can use slower fans and keep noise down.

Like I said before, you can only get so much flow and fin area at a given noise level, and that limits performance. To increase performance, you have to increase the fin area, and the only way to increase fin area without increasing noise is to make the fin density go down so you can use quieter fans, making form factor size go up.

I think this rad is taking Thermochill's thick rad, low fin density to a whole new extreme. Low fin density, but huge fins in an even bigger form factor. Even more performance for those who need it quiet, in a slightly larger form factor.

Can't argue with that...

It seems there's interesting times ahead with the forthcoming (or so it seems) PA120.4, PA140.x etc. etc. from TC and FTC trying new things like the OP's.

Interesting times for those with MM Ascension cases of course :P

Still, there hasn't been a major stir in the rad deparment for years... maybe something good will come out of this?
11-14-2008, 03:15 PM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by MrToad

With all due respect I've read no bashing so far in this thread.

Saying that something is ugly is not bashing, is a matter of taste.

Of course is just an educated guess, but speculating that you may need more powerful fans to push/pull air through it seeing it's thickness I think is a reasonable speculation. Besides, again, speculation =/= bashing.

Finally, that thing looks unwieldy. I mean, even by our standards is BIG. Speculating over wheter if/how would fit or not in a case is again not bashing.

As I said before, personally I'm unexcited. They could make a 200.8 sixtuple pass radiator and it would dissipate more watts than my current 120.3's... however, I would need to put in on a separate room.

What would excite me is something smaller and more wieldy than the current available products that would perform the same. That I would consider a real breaktrough. Increasing the size to increase the performance... well, gives you choice, but that's about it...

Like others have said . .we have NO idea what this thing will need and how it will perform . . .making statements about what it would need and how what it would need is not even available is . . .at least here . . .bashing or close to it . . .at least that is how I see it . . .again . . .let's have testing . . .independent testing . . .
11-14-2008, 03:25 PM
bentleya

i cant wait for my pre production sample :D
11-14-2008, 03:28 PM
FrostyPanda

Ummm...... Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: anyone?
11-14-2008, 03:50 PM
geoffsthaboss

didnt i read in the thread announcing this rad a few months ago that they will also make a 120.2 version? that thing is going to be cube shaped...
11-14-2008, 04:01 PM
inCore

What's better than fans on 2 sides? Fans on 6 sides.
11-14-2008, 04:03 PM
T_Flight

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

Like others have said . .we have NO idea what this thing will need and how it will perform . . .making statements about what it would need and how what it would need is not even available is . . .at least here . . .bashing or close to it . . .at least that is how I see it . . .again . . .let's have testing . . .independent testing . . .

Darth, you are alot like me. Numbers. I wouldn't even think of pretending to know anything (and I *do* mean anything) about something without testing.

That's why i hate seeing things like News section posts saying a CPU that is a paper launch and doesn't even have a prototype talk about "Aw yeah, it'll run 4GHz at release and will takeover the world."

It's the same kind of thing. Right now, the only people who know what this thing will do is the people who make it, and the people who might be testing it, but something tells me nobody has one yet.

Somnebody may or may not, but they may or may not be under NDA too. I sincerely hope somebody didn't get into trouble for posting those pics. That would be really sad. It's bringing interest to what may be a new product. That would be a win for Fesser. I'm looking hard at it. May move my BIX GTX 360 to my GPU and buy oen of these for a CPU only loop. You never know. if this hadn;t been posted, I might've not waited.

Now I want to see testing and will wait patiently. That is a good thing for TFC. Right now that would be pretty much the Xtreme of the Xtreme with CF Bling too. The name is a little over the top for me, but I could live with that. I do like the CF froma looks perspective. I have Carbon Fiber Rockets and love the look of bare CF. Nothing at all wrong with that. It is a big massive radiator. It is what it is. It's not gonna please everybody, but performance wise, if you can get the fans before long, or they end up manufacturing their own for it, this thing will be amazing.

That is one BIG honkin' radiator man. This is Xtreme Systems. Those two go together.
11-14-2008, 04:09 PM
Expat GriZ

I don't know about you guys but I'm willing to give it a go!! :DI love my 480 & 360 Feser rads and the service I get from Martin is second to none!! He even called me to apologize for being late with my order and included about 75 Euros of Extra goodies to compensate for being late. :shocked: I flushed and flushed my rad prior to use but the water was the same colour and quality as the first flush. Yes, they are expensive, but I took the plunge and they are quality products. Since I also use a bench table and have rads mounted on a home made stand out in the open I will buy one of these to try when they are released. :up:
11-14-2008, 04:15 PM
DarthBeavis

What I do hope is that Feser lights a fire under Thermochill's seat . . .time to stop resting on your laurels and kick out some of that new product! HWLABS is already doing it . . .competition . . .we all benefit from it . . .
11-14-2008, 05:03 PM
Bobly

I don't understand the people who go on about how one will need push-pull 220V fans to get anything out of this beast :/ Traditionally the X-changer rads tend to be fairly open finned like the PAs which means you'll probably find that most fans can push air through them. Take a rad and look through it, they're just loads of small tunnels, make them shorter or longer, it doesn't add that much resistance, what does is how small or close together they are...

Personally I can't wait to get some nice tests of this beast as it may well provide a nice jump in cooling which hasn't been achieved for a while in the rad department.
11-14-2008, 05:10 PM
MrToad

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

What I do hope is that Feser lights a fire under Thermochill's seat . . .time to stop resting on your laurels and kick out some of that new product! HWLABS is already doing it . . .competition . . .we all benefit from it . . .

Hmmm... as a figure of speech I suppose :p:

There were some flames over this subject before... hopefully the story won't repeat itself and we'll all be civilized :)

However, I do agree that ingenuity (and of course the competition that comes with it) is welcome. Not my cup of tea, but I'd also like to see some numbers... and what may come next :)
11-14-2008, 05:22 PM
adpr_02

Anybody know if there's something like that but for 120mm fans? Unfortunately I can't fit 140s in front of my case...?
11-14-2008, 05:24 PM
MomijiTMO

The side panels are probably just on the es to show you the fins.

But seriously . .. . WTF that's insane and therefore awesome. Now if it didn't cost say 250USD I'd be all over it. I somehow imagine 5 MCR320s would kill it.
11-14-2008, 06:02 PM
BDW88

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Originally Posted by MomijiTMO

The side panels are probably just on the es to show you the fins.

But seriously . .. . WTF that's insane and therefore awesome. Now if it didn't cost say 250USD I'd be all over it. I somehow imagine 5 MCR320s would kill it.

agreed.. hmmm MM pinnacle tower case anyone :D
11-14-2008, 06:07 PM
Jimmer411

I cant wait to get one of these for my SFF build!
11-14-2008, 06:08 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

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Originally Posted by Jimmer411

I cant wait to get one of these for my SFF build!

Tru XD
11-14-2008, 06:13 PM
MomijiTMO

Will there be any room for a pc in your sff case :D
11-14-2008, 06:14 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

I got it, chop the core out of the feser and use it AS the case. :yepp:
11-14-2008, 08:01 PM
_G_

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Originally Posted by MrToad

It's an idea I toyed with until, to confirm his words, wasn't able to find any 12V counter-rotating fan, only 220V ones, which added and unwanted layer of difficulty to my build...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22070
i think there is a 80cfm ver of this fan and a pwm ver
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22298
11-14-2008, 08:17 PM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobly

I don't understand the people who go on about how one will need push-pull 220V fans to get anything out of this beast :/ Traditionally the X-changer rads tend to be fairly open finned like the PAs which means you'll probably find that most fans can push air through them. Take a rad and look through it, they're just loads of small tunnels, make them shorter or longer, it doesn't add that much resistance, what does is how small or close together they are...

Personally I can't wait to get some nice tests of this beast as it may well provide a nice jump in cooling which hasn't been achieved for a while in the rad department.

I think the whole "220V fan" thing has been taken out of context. They were saying that, that was all they could find in a counter rotating fan, not that these rads would really need it.

As for what these rads will need to get "decent" performance, there are some ppl here that have been doing this a very long time and know just by looking at something, how well it will work and what will be needed to make it work well without ever having had it in their hands. I personally won't be too quick to dismiss them when they speak. ;)
11-14-2008, 08:29 PM
FrostyPanda

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

I thought this was XS? Bunch of comments without ANYTHING to back them up . . .we need TESTS . . .flow tests, temp delta tests (temp going into and out of the rad), temp tests with different fan configurations . . .etc
You can comment on the looks but saying what it will and will not do is speculation . . .

drrr drrr drrr... PRE PREDUCTION PHOTOS!!!! NOT RELEASED TO PUBLIC...............
11-14-2008, 10:54 PM
Utnorris

Man, that would look sweet in the Pedestal with 6 San Ace fans in a push pull configuration and shrouds to boot. Probably take up the entire cabinet by itself.
11-14-2008, 10:57 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

Man, that would look sweet in the Pedestal with 6 San Ace fans in a push pull configuration and shrouds to boot.

Oracle uses 8 stacked. :wasntme:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0113.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0112.jpg

Wanted to show ya norris cuz you sourced them. :rofl:

Okey i go blackops again. :rofl:
11-15-2008, 12:23 AM
Serpentarius

should call it "RADzilla" or something ..

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