Core i7 940 Review Shows SMT and Tri-Channel Memory Let-down

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10-13-2008, 09:16 AM
Blacky

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Box is supposed to contain a cpu, some memory and a motherboard with 1366 pins.. I wonder what thats all about? :wasntme:

:D:D lucky you!
10-13-2008, 09:18 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Blacky

:D:D lucky you!

Well my response when I first was told was :" HOLT SH*IT! Are you frigging kidding me?"
Even us old guys still get excited at times!:rofl:
10-13-2008, 09:19 AM
Metroid

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

The point is that while left or right is not stupid by itself, doing one of them together with only 2 or 3 countries in the world is, like the date with the Americans.

I live in Madrid and we also have one of the best undergrounds in the world. But that doesn't quit people from driving their car each day unfortunately. Driving is the best and we know it, now we need cars that don't pollute the atmosphere and it'll be perfect :D. But if you want to see something really amazing regarding undergrounds, go to Japan. Simply incredible.

Sorry for the OT :p:

Yes I got your point that is why I said "So what about the American football?":rofl:

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Originally Posted by Tonucci

Yeah...I never expected much from 3-channel or SMT in desktop apps. In general, they already have more than enough bandwidth and are not muilti-thread demanding to saturate even older quads.

It depends, like I said in another thread give another 2 to 3 years. That is the problem when companies introduce a new technology, thumbs up to AMD and Intel for forcing developers to wise coded multi threaded applications.

Metroid.
10-13-2008, 09:30 AM
Slovnaft

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Box is supposed to contain a cpu, some memory and a motherboard with 1366 pins.. I wonder what thats all about? :wasntme:

wow, it's a good thing none of the desperate XSers know where you liv-OHWAIT :rofl:
10-13-2008, 09:35 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Slovnaft

wow, it's a good thing none of the desperate XSers know where you liv-OHWAIT :rofl:

They do know, but they also know I keep a S&W Model 27 here at my side..:ROTF:
10-13-2008, 09:35 AM
ap4lifetn

How are you able to get an engineering sample? What do you have to do?
10-13-2008, 09:36 AM
Metroid

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Originally Posted by Slovnaft

wow, it's a good thing none of the desperate XSers know where you liv-OHWAIT :rofl:

What about the break-in tonight:rofl:

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Originally Posted by Movieman

They do know, but they also know I keep a S&W Model 27 here at my side..:ROTF:

War sighted :p:
10-13-2008, 09:37 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by ap4lifetn

How are you able to get an engineering sample? What do you have to do?

I don't have an answer to that.
In my case just plain lucky as beleive me I'm not one of the big players on the list for these.
10-13-2008, 09:38 AM
ap4lifetn

As long as you find loopholes in your NDA to give us some info, I won't be mad at you.

Here's hoping you got some newer steppings!!!
10-13-2008, 09:44 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by xoqolatl

L3 latency is usually slightly lower on Bloomfield than L2 latency on Yorkfield. Also Bloomfields L3 is a bit smaller than Yorkfields L2. I guess Nehalems cache system will start to shine in 3+ threaded apps, where shared L3 will definitely outperform two L2s connected by FSB and with doubled data.

???

Yorkfield L2 latency is 15 cycles.
Nehalem L3 latency is 39 cycles best case.

The L3 is far far slower.

This can be seen with Tri vs. Dual Channel RAM.

Trichannel DDR3 1333 offers more BW than the L3 is capable to handle ; in order to really make the IMC shine you need to OC the NB/L3.
10-13-2008, 09:48 AM
cegras

Core i7 was stated many times to be intel's assault on the server platform, so it's no surprise it does well in things like winrar (oh yay) or the like, which I totally have no interest in.

Looks like I'll be upgrading RAM / GFX for a while longer.
10-13-2008, 09:54 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

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Originally Posted by cegras

Core i7 was stated many times to be intel's assault on the server platform, so it's no surprise it does well in things like winrar (oh yay) or the like, which I totally have no interest in.

Looks like I'll be upgrading RAM / GFX for a while longer.

true, I am getting one more motherboard, sticking with my q9650 and I'll be done with touching those parts until nehalem is gone and over with.
10-13-2008, 09:56 AM
Bobsama

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Well my response when I first was told was :" HOLT SH*IT! Are you frigging kidding me?"
Even us old guys still get excited at times!:rofl:

I'm guessing you're getting the i7 965? :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Congratulations, you lucky bastard! :p: Send it to me: I'll do some stress testing in South Florida's humidity and heat! :ROTF:
10-13-2008, 10:09 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Bobsama

I'm guessing you're getting the i7 965? :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Congratulations, you lucky bastard! :p: Send it to me: I'll do some stress testing in South Florida's humidity and heat! :ROTF:

I heard it was an unlocked 3200EE and who are you again?:rofl:
10-13-2008, 10:19 AM
Bobsama

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Originally Posted by Movieman

I heard it was an unlocked 3200EE and who are you again?:rofl:

If it is--make sure you do some stress-testing on WCG for us! :D:D:D And remember me? I'm that fellow patient of Dr. SiG!! I'm glad I survived that third phone call! Oh and I don't think I told you, but on the second (a few days before the third), I spoke to Dear Old.:yepp:
10-13-2008, 10:55 AM
Bellisimo

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Now as to us taking our heads out of our asses, we did that in 1776 when we broke away from England with it's repressive laws and founded this country.:rofl:

and killed 99% of the native people?
10-13-2008, 11:04 AM
Sumanji

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Originally Posted by Shintai

The first 2 slides posted is loading times if people should be in doubt...

Thanks for clearing that up Shintai, I was getting confused!

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Write it out as October 13,2008 and settled

13th of October 2008, tbh :p:

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

The point is that while left or right is not stupid by itself, doing one of them together with only 2 or 3 countries in the world is, like the date with the Americans.

Countries that drive on the left:

Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Australia, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Bermuda, Bhutan, Bophuthatswana, Botswana, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Cayman Islands, Channel Islands, Ciskei,Cyprus, Dominica, Falkland Islands, Fiji, Grenada, Guyana, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Jamaica, Japan, Kenya, Lesotho, Macau, Malawi, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Montserrat, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, New Zealand, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, St. Vincent & Grenadines, Seychelles, Sikkim, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, St Kitts & Nevis, St. Helena, St. Lucia, Surinam, Swaziland, Tanzania, Thailand, Tonga, Trinidad & Tobago, Uganda, United Kingdom ,US Virgin Islands, Venda, Zambia, Zimbabwe...

:rofl:

;)
10-13-2008, 11:15 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by Sumanji

Countries that drive on the left:

Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Australia, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Bermuda, Bhutan, Bophuthatswana, Botswana, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Cayman Islands, Channel Islands, Ciskei,Cyprus, Dominica, Falkland Islands, Fiji, Grenada, Guyana, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Jamaica, Japan, Kenya, Lesotho, Macau, Malawi, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Montserrat, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, New Zealand, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, St. Vincent & Grenadines, Seychelles, Sikkim, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, St Kitts & Nevis, St. Helena, St. Lucia, Surinam, Swaziland, Tanzania, Thailand, Tonga, Trinidad & Tobago, Uganda, United Kingdom ,US Virgin Islands, Venda, Zambia, Zimbabwe...

:rofl:

;)

now remove every country that was a british colonie. :p:
10-13-2008, 11:19 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

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Originally Posted by Sumanji

Countries that drive on the left:

Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Australia, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Bermuda, Bhutan, Bophuthatswana, Botswana, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Cayman Islands, Channel Islands, Ciskei,Cyprus, Dominica, Falkland Islands, Fiji, Grenada, Guyana, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Jamaica, Japan, Kenya, Lesotho, Macau, Malawi, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Montserrat, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, New Zealand, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, St. Vincent & Grenadines, Seychelles, Sikkim, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, St Kitts & Nevis, St. Helena, St. Lucia, Surinam, Swaziland, Tanzania, Thailand, Tonga, Trinidad & Tobago, Uganda, United Kingdom ,US Virgin Islands, Venda, Zambia, Zimbabwe...

:rofl:

;)

I count 62 give or take one or two, however 15 or so of those are small islands and some of them arent even countries, like Sikkim (part of india) or Bophuthatswana and Ciskei which are just small republics inside South Africa.

you can pretty much narrow that to 20 real countries that are significant.

(sorry for the OT)
10-13-2008, 11:23 AM
jaredpace

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Originally Posted by Mechromancer

On point! BUT, it does give us an idea of how great a game engine could be if the damn thing was highly multi-threaded. We will see some amazing things happen to K10 and Nehalem when Windows 7 and DX11 show up. Right now though, 8 threads is pretty useless outside of Vantage LOL.

they said the same thing about kentsfield vistax64 and dx10.

lol
10-13-2008, 11:45 AM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

I count 62 give or take one or two, however 15 or so of those are small islands and some of them arent even countries, like Sikkim (part of india) or Bophuthatswana and Ciskei which are just small republics inside South Africa.

you can pretty much narrow that to 20 real countries that are significant.

(sorry for the OT)

Strange but true.

Countries that drive on the left have less accidents.
10-13-2008, 12:09 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by Sumanji

Countries that drive on the left:

Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Australia, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Bermuda, Bhutan, Bophuthatswana, Botswana, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Cayman Islands, Channel Islands, Ciskei,Cyprus, Dominica, Falkland Islands, Fiji, Grenada, Guyana, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Jamaica, Japan, Kenya, Lesotho, Macau, Malawi, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Montserrat, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, New Zealand, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, St. Vincent & Grenadines, Seychelles, Sikkim, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, St Kitts & Nevis, St. Helena, St. Lucia, Surinam, Swaziland, Tanzania, Thailand, Tonga, Trinidad & Tobago, Uganda, United Kingdom ,US Virgin Islands, Venda, Zambia, Zimbabwe...

:rofl:

;)

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

now remove every country that was a british colonie. :p:

What he said plus: do I have to write how many countries drive on the right? A lot more. However I apologize, because that list is not 2 or 3 like I said :clap: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Motiv

Strange but true.

Countries that drive on the left have less accidents.

What matters is the quality of the driver and the circumstances, not the side of the road. If those countries have less accidents is because they're better drivers, the road quality is better, etc. Nothing to do with driving on the left.
10-13-2008, 12:10 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Bobsama

If it is--make sure you do some stress-testing on WCG for us! :D:D:D And remember me? I'm that fellow patient of Dr. SiG!! I'm glad I survived that third phone call! Oh and I don't think I told you, but on the second (a few days before the third), I spoke to Dear Old.:yepp:

It will be on WCG within 5 minutes of firing up..:up:

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Originally Posted by Bellisimo

and killed 99% of the native people?

Possibly true to the percentage, that I am not knowledgeable on but this was the 1700's-1800's and times and people were not as they are today.
I would also harass a guess that the English Navy killed quite a few in their attempts to colonize the world during that timeframe.
The English government wasn't exactly a sea of shining virtue itself during the 1800's.
They refused to open the granaries and sat back and watched Ireland starve to death during the Potato blight of the 1870's.
That lead to the mass migration of the Irish to the US.
And you wonder why the Irish still hate the English?
Let's not have the pot calling the kettle black here

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Originally Posted by Sumanji

13th of October 2008, tbh :p:

Either way works for me..:up:
10-13-2008, 12:17 PM
K404

1/ MM is obviously a world-class negotiator (Hey Dave! How ya been? :))

2/ I was hoping tri-channel would rip SPi32M to shreds

3/ Nehalem should be a must-have for wP (hey...I love my synthetics)
10-13-2008, 12:21 PM
T_Flight

Back on topic...

I'm loving these threads, becasue this is brand new technology, nobody but people under NDA know anything about how it works, but some of these sites are already proclaiming performance before the CPU is even released, or before there are even programs to benchmark it with. :ROTF:

It's hilarious. Most of it stems from places like the Inq, but I've seen some of these proclamations from Anandtech and other pretty good sites, and that is what is shocking.

It's like the "Memory Voltage Issue" that has already been stated is a nonissue, and that people should Ignore such gossip because those articles were completely bogus.

We've had others that stated the CPU would not OC! :rofl: Anybody who writes stuff like that should be deported from the OC'ing world forever never to return! :yepp:

We've had others that stated the ref clock wouldn't go higher than a certain level. Oh boy! :rolleyes: We already have seen the answer to that.

It's just bunk to fill a void of unknowns, and I'm glad I ignored it so it wouldn't clutter my mind when this thing actually gets released.

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