Where that might work at other forums , I don't rteally think that would be along the lines of Professionalism that the forum owner wants.(Not meaning to speak out of turn Fugger)
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Where that might work at other forums , I don't rteally think that would be along the lines of Professionalism that the forum owner wants.(Not meaning to speak out of turn Fugger)
ok, dubtown here's the thing, you can say what you need to say but finding an appropriate way to say it is the key to keep from getting banned. You don't have to pull punches but keep it civil. The personal attack on RRR is uncalled for and you'll get hammered for it. It is against the rules. So please edit before you get in trouble.
Exactly what I'm talking about! Thank you Andy.
Yes I'm am using a TT block, that modded. I know it's holding me back from top clocks on my qx, but I'm learning from it. i do have some Swifttech v1's in the planning and I'll be able to show the difference in performance in an empirical fashion.
One advantage of TT parts are they are cheap and if you mess them up modding them it's no big loss, just move on to the next one............
I understand but there's a lot that needs to come out and get off of everyones chest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraf
Actually as far as I am concerned I don't "outrank" Ashraf..We work together for the best for the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
I'm a supermod, he's a mod. The only difference is that I can mod in all sections vs the regular mods get assigned sections.
The key is that we work together for the benefit of XS.
We may sometimes disagree on the best way to go but the one thing we know about each other is that the other guys motives are good.
I said it loud and clear and then even told you in PM but you didn't listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by dubtown
banned till 1-21-09
[QUOTE=Movieman;3305796]Actually as far as I am concerned I don't "outrank" Ashraf..We work together for the best for the site.
I'm a supermod, he's a mod. The only difference is that I can mod in all sections vs the regular mods get assigned sections.
The key is that we work together for the benefit of XS.
We may sometimes disagree on the best way to go but the one thing we know about each other is that the other guys motives are good.
QUOTE]
Is your name Friday? Do you carry a gun ;)
***plays Dragnet theme music in the backround
Gentlemen;
I just removed some posts.
Some just because they quoted others that needed to be removed so don't read anything into it that isn't there.
The whole point of this thread orginally was to say that things have to change here.
That people have to use a little common sense and reason in their responses and also that anyone that works for any company and then slyly badmouths another company in the attempt to increase sales is a POS in my opinion and will be removed.
Anyone even thought to be doing so will be removed.
We will also deal with one another with respect and courtesy.
You don't have to agree with everyone but don't attack the man, attack his arguement. I have been saying that one line over and over for almost a year yet sometimes I think people close their ears.
Do I make myself clear on these points?
Lets take this place back to what it used to be.
A place where friends could come together and discuss water cooling and learn from one another.
Leave the frigging ego's home and enter here as friends or simply stay out of this section. It is that simple.
[QUOTE=DarthBeavis;3305840]Cute, but I am not that complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I look right down the middle and try to calm excitable people and issues.
When I can't do it nicely I do it the hard way.
I hate, I repeat, I hate having to ban anyone but sometimes it is all that a person will listen to.
Now as to you, come january in las Vegas you and I will sit down at a table with a couple bottles of jack and have a long talk.. and there will be a third person there also.
it will be very interesting..
Now if it gets too interesting I'm 5'10" and 220 and brought up on the streets.
I am 56 but I still got a few good minutes left in me.
We will talk and when the talk is over the three of us will stand up as friends.
I just want to put in a few words (still a new user so don’t know whats going on… LOUD NOISES…): Anyways, Ive been very active in the SLI Forums Watercooling and have seen lots of horrible posting. Fanboism is childish! Period. People have to realize that their posting can directly affect someone’s next purchase and be responsible enough to give help in an accurate and professional manner. Its a responsibility held by each forum go'er to provide the most accurate info, regardless of personal preferences!
Also things ive seen are ppl posting incorrect numbers, exaggerations, etc... EX: a user claiming they run their quad core and Tri SLI off a Zalman Reserator, influencing a user I know well to purchase one, and become very miserable when he discovered his GPU's overheating and comp shutting down when gamming. If you dont know what you are talking about, dont make bs up to sound sophisticated and fit in. Eat some humble friken pie!
:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I totally agree, If this was just something to read, then it's just a lecture and not a lot will come from it.
But if it is to really change, then we need to talk about it and own it, take responsibility for it and be part of the solution.
The discussion will actually bring out a lot of the frustration, and help to build some new bonds and heal some friendships gone bad. You don't know how many responses i have written, posted, then deleted just because i felt i was being to arrogant or not giving someone the respect that I want myself.
I say post your opinions, within reason, get it off your chest, and lets all move forward with MM and XS to keep it the most experienced source of info on the net :up:
All that needs to happen is for the people here to say this to themselves:Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
"These are people here that I come to share my experiences with as friends.
I come here to teach and to learn in an atmosphere of friendship"
Now if anyone here thinks I'm someone living in a world with a rose colored sky your wrong.
aged 56, 35 years of selling, and read that as dealing with people. All types.
Check the ego at the door and the rest will happen all by itself.
Odd, I got an infraction for doing just thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Make it Jager, you'll get further ;)
I've been staying out of this until now because I happen to agree with Ashraf on this one and see very little good coming out of ppl being able to post, even though I think he totally blew it on NeaKuh's Koolance topic. I had a totally legit request for Dean at the end of that topic that likely was never seen.:shakes:
This should have been posted and locked as an edict for all to see and reflect upon. :yepp:
I don't agree at all. Reason? Because i was able to make a point and my friend Andy understood what I was trying to say and that's what this thread is about, getting people to realize that some times you have to stand in someone else's shoes to help.
Thanks for making this post movieman. I think it is a move back in the right direction having been a member for a couple of months now I saw it heading more and more in the wrong direction but I chose to ignore it and skim the majority of posts in some threads. Hopefully we can all get what we need out of this forum which in my mind is sharing of unbiased opinions and information (where applicable).
Needless to say I have really enjoyed my time on the forums and am learning more about WC all the time! Hopefully I can help others out as i learn more.
emu
You got an infraction for attacking a person my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Lets be honest with each other ok?
Vapor gave you an infraction for saying this to a member:
initialised, What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points and may what ever God you pray to have mercy on your soul.
Now that was May so i'll assume you forgot but God's truth, we do not go around looking to start trouble with the membership.
I've spent the better part of 15 hours over the last 3 days dealing with 3 different issues between people.
Don't you think that I'd rather be spending that time at MY interest?
The WCG team?
Think about this ok?
I'm not here to make your life miserable.
I'm here because I enjoy the place and the people here.
I did not fight it then or say anything until now because I knew the admin team here wouldn't understand but, I was attacking what was said....how is that attacking the man? The key word in what I said there was "said" but if you guys choose not to see it that way, what the hell can I do about it?.....Nothing, that's what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Don't worry, there was a reason why it was removed. Vapor, NaeKuh, and other members agreed with the decision. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I have been around this Forum for longer than I was a member and I was still around longer after joining before I felt comfortable posting in the Liquid Cooling Forum. If you want to see a classic XS Welcome to a "new guy" trying to share an Xtreme project take a look at my Thread about my "Monolith" cooler. I don't have to name names..the posts are all there to speak for themselves. It was far from a friendly experience. I felt harangued by a couple of the regulars here over the stupidest stuff...using pipe paste on an O-ring fitting, and not getting my nomenclature perfectly correct when identifying the types of fittings I was using.
Seriously...if it was not for the fact that I had already built DOZENS of liquid cooled systems professionally by that time I might have just deleted the thread and moved on...but since I have confidence in myself I was able to confront my Trolls and prove without a doubt that I am one of the most Xtreme Watercooling Fanatics on this Forum.
It irks me no end to see relative newcomers trying to better rank themselves in some sort of perverse pecking order...they form alliances and hold grudges and do battle as if this were a constructive and meaningful addition to the Liquid Cooling Forum.
I see innovators being ranked lower than replicators and I see a lot of snippy exchanges.
I see a lot of "shadow" promotion/badmouthing going on (which I am glad Movieman recognizes and despises) and it's setting a poor tone for anyone that is not part of some weird faction here.
If it were not for my incredibly durable ego I would have given up even posting my builds here...but over time the peck-ers stopped trying to peck me into some rank in their file and I was able to enjoy a certain liberty to show off my work here without the usual banal and anal replies from the usual suspects.
I did not come here thinking I knew anything. I spent a good year researching the field, reading the posts by the best of the best (who have left BTW) and deciding that this odd hobby was exactly what I like to do. It was not like coming into some friendly open arms let me tell you...but the knowledge I gained was worth the intimidation of not understanding half of the abstruse mathematics.
That all has changed...oh it's the same bristly environment of talking heads...problem is the heads are simply regurgitating what they think they know. These Talking Heads are not the innovators, the testers, the developers, the designers...these talking heads are CONSUMERS whinging about their BRANDS. So what is the trade off for putting up with their attitudes? Is there some great knowledge to be had? I think not...it's more like watching an insipid soap opera.
What would bring back some juice here is to STFU and actually DO something. Show us something you've learned by experimentation...by trial and error...by making an error and correcting it...anything would be better than hearing the same crap over and over.
When the innovator is once again the focus of our interest the balance will be regained.
Thanks a lot MovieMan. I really think you have your heart in the right place...which is more than I can say for some of the people that call this place their home.
I'm going to say this once cutless the specail olympics comment will get you banned. Edit it for your own sake.
A simple locking would have sufficed...no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraf
Not sure if my sponsor is going to send me to CES . . .still trying to figure out a way to go . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
as far a getting interesting . . .I am a lover not a fighter . . .sorta ;) I do test for my 2nd DD Black Belt decided in Nov ;) Jager sounds good . . .
That is what we would do, but no. There was a reason to remove it from public. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Care to PM this to me? I may just agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraf
There are three main reasons why this has spread to this point.
1) We have very little data, lots is discounted on testing methodology. This means that idiots can get away recommending stupid crap, and no one can prove them wrong. This has to change, but people like Martinm and others do not have the time or resources to do up to quick reviews.
2) We are recommending loops to beginners that are too complex. Doing a dual loop for some first timers can be very overwhelming.
3) 3c difference is not worth arguing over. Hell people fight about fans.