4870 Diamond XOC BE BIOS (CCC upto 990MHz/1200MHz)

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08-22-2008, 07:45 AM
LuxZg

@CraptacularOne - NICE! :-O I want these :D Actually, I'd rather have your CPU sincethat's what limiting me as it is, but still, nice to hear that they get that high :D

@rest of you, and questions about this BIOS..
I'm home now and I've tested few things.

By flashing this bios you really do get more juice, even if by a small ammount. Earlier under load I've measured 1,307-1,312 V with multimeter (overclocked to 790/1100) and now I get 1,331-1,334 V on 795/1100.. so this is 0,02V more. And no it's not cos of additional 5 MHz, since even 50MHz hardly pushed it for 0,002V :)

Other than this, I've tried if this BIOS allows lowering voltages, but as much as I've tested - nothing happens. I've tried by new Ati tray tools, by RBE low voltage tweak, by entering values manualy in bios - nothing helped.

I did NOT try rising voltage in BIOS, but with ATT it apparently doesn't move. I believe this BIOS has same voltage-changing limitations that the reference one had, only now it's fixed to 1,276V instead of earlier 1,263V. You can try it yourselves, and good luck :)

I'll keep playing with the low-volt BIOS cos I'm mostly limited by the CPU anyway...

What we can expect now, is that someone will compare original BIOS and this one, and maybe will figure out WHICH bits exactly change voltages either to higher or lower values.. I hope RBE will be able to do it in a release or two :)

I hope the above answers most of the questions :D
08-22-2008, 07:59 AM
Caveman787

Dejanh, relax I know we all want proof though.

Also as with most things I don't think vantage scales linearly with 2 gpu's.
08-22-2008, 08:10 AM
IRONBMAN

[QUOTE=LuxZg;3237122]Ironbman - can you confirm, just for the record, that this is from ATI themselves? I mean NOT from Diamond or any other manufacturer, but DIRECTLY FROM ATI/AMD? :shocked: If so -> :up: :clap:

well i recived many emails from Diamond MM and also Ati tec center about the problems i was having with the card, I finaly recived a link to the new bios fron tech02@diamondmm.com so im not sure if it was actualy from ati sory:( was my mistake saying "from ATI".
The worst part about it is i just RMA'd the cards three days ago:eek:
but still wanted to be sharing this bios with all.
Can any one now confirm that this bios will run ATI tool for one hour or more withougth artifacting please, if it dose maby i can get my cards back from the RMA dept:rofl:
08-22-2008, 08:17 AM
dejanh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caveman787

Dejanh, relax I know we all want proof though.

Also as with most things I don't think vantage scales linearly with 2 gpu's.

Yes, yes, I am not trying to overreact. Problem is though that I have run into baseless claims so many times that it gets to be annoying. Anybody can talk the talk but only a few can walk the walk.

In terms of Vantage, ignore it. I actually wanted to see his scores in Vantage for the claimed setup because I find it hard to believe that two air cooled cards can be as good as top two custom 4870s donated by ASUS with a custom BIOS. I figured Vantage ORB would be a good place to find something that would be comparable to what he is running as I have never so far heard of anyone with such good 4870s. Anyways, I doubt these can even complete a single run.
08-22-2008, 11:45 AM
Mumid

Thanks for the new bios mate, it is excellent. Managed to raise my gpu speed to 850 so far tested stable which has given me a 900 points boost in vantage. Will post final results once finished testing. Cheers
08-22-2008, 12:22 PM
CraptacularOne

@ dejanh

Hardly "baseless". What would I have to gain by making it up? Nothing, that's what. If you don't believe me, I honestly don't care. I didn't post them for your "approval". So you know where you can stick your comments right? :slapass: Forum trolls like you wouldn't believe a screen shot anyway. You'd just claim I altered it, or some BS. I've learned from my years on forums to just ignore the trolls like you.

And 9.5K? Is all you could do with a single card? Pff, please don't make me laugh

I passed 10k in Vantage with a single card a while ago... yes on the stock cooler, with stock volts. And this was way before this bios.....

This is with my previous CPU a Q9550 at only 3.85Ghz and a SINGLE HD4870
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=224433

And this is with the current bios and stock cooling using a DUAL CORE that's only clocked to 4.3Ghz (my 24/7 speed) and a SINGLE HD4870
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=321512
08-22-2008, 12:43 PM
Caveman787

Sorry to say it CraptaculrOne but I think he wants a screenshot running furmark or atitool . As far as the orb goes that doesn't show much simply because of the fact it doesn't show the gpu clocks...it always shows 18 and 9 for some odd reason.
08-22-2008, 01:48 PM
CraptacularOne

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Originally Posted by Caveman787

Sorry to say it CraptaculrOne but I think he wants a screenshot running furmark or atitool . As far as the orb goes that doesn't show much simply because of the fact it doesn't show the gpu clocks...it always shows 18 and 9 for some odd reason.

I don't care what he wants. I didn't post anything for his approval. He said the max he benched in Vantage was 9.5k with his card at 850 core. I just posted 2 benchmarks that smash his "best" score rather easily. 10k with a very low clocked quad, and 9.8k with only a moderately clocked dual core.
08-22-2008, 08:25 PM
Super Nade

The BIOS works and I have been gaming on it for hours and hours (HL2, Crysis). No problems. Stable. No need to re-install drivers either. Flash and Play.
08-23-2008, 12:35 AM
LagunaX

Visiontek HD4870, stock cooler. e8600 @ 4.3ghz.
Catalyst 8.8, Futuremark Vantage

Diamond XOC bios 795/1100: P8762 GPU 8783 CPU 8701 1st 2 tests FPS 24.87/26.62 Idle 78c Load 85c

Asustek Top bios 815/925 : P8775 GPU 8838 CPU 8593 1st 2 tests FPS 25.09/26.72 Idle 54c Load 65c

Asus Top autotune: 865/1090

Diamond XOC autotune: 835/1150

Impression: At least on my Visiontek card (stock cooler) the Diamond XOC bios would pass Vantage BUT did not entirely seem stable as would rarely artifact but annoyingly would stutter and jump frames.
On the otherhand, the Asustek Top bios was very smooth and stable. Additionally idle and load temps were much better. Seems to be the better bios with stock cooling.

Additionally from Catalyst 8.7 to 8.8 on the Asus Top bios Vantage scores went from P8357 (24/25) to P8775 (25/26) =)
08-23-2008, 09:34 AM
CraptacularOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by LagunaX

Visiontek HD4870, stock cooler. e8600 @ 4.3ghz.
Catalyst 8.8, Futuremark Vantage

Diamond XOC bios 795/1100: P8762 GPU 8783 CPU 8701 1st 2 tests FPS 24.87/26.62 Idle 78c Load 85c

Asustek Top bios 815/925 : P8775 GPU 8838 CPU 8593 1st 2 tests FPS 25.09/26.72 Idle 54c Load 65c

Asus Top autotune: 865/1090

Diamond XOC autotune: 835/1150

Impression: At least on my Visiontek card (stock cooler) the Diamond XOC bios would pass Vantage BUT did not entirely seem stable as would rarely artifact but annoyingly would stutter and jump frames.
On the otherhand, the Asustek Top bios was very smooth and stable. Additionally idle and load temps were much better. Seems to be the better bios with stock cooling.

Additionally from Catalyst 8.7 to 8.8 on the Asus Top bios Vantage scores went from P8357 (24/25) to P8775 (25/26) =)

Just use Expert tool to control fan speed. The ASUS bios has a better fan speed profile, but it's also rather loud at 65%. I force 45% and the cards idle at 55C and load at about 78C.
08-23-2008, 09:42 AM
dejanh

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraptacularOne

I don't care what he wants. I didn't post anything for his approval. He said the max he benched in Vantage was 9.5k with his card at 850 core. I just posted 2 benchmarks that smash his "best" score rather easily. 10k with a very low clocked quad, and 9.8k with only a moderately clocked dual core.

Lol at the scores...let me make something very clear to you, and read carefully...

I was scoring 9.5k in GPU score alone not overall score at 850/1150 with a single 4870 and CPU bottleneck. Coincidentally this is higher than what you linked to in your first "quick run" and definite proof that you are not running at the claimed speeds. Anyways, here is the link below...

http://service.futuremark.com/home.a...&resultType=19

What do you even gain by making a fool of yourself?

Now, let me explain why I cannot score higher overall otherwise I'd smoke you there too...

At 3.6GHz Core 2 you have removed any bottleneck to a single HD 4870. This has been shown time and time again, but as you seemingly do not read any 4870 OC threads you would not know this, or so it appears. So your "weak" 4.3GHz OC is more than enough to let the card breathe fully. Now, I have an Athlon X2, lol, what do you expect I'm gonna score when my CPU barely runs at 3GHz and gets measly 595/8 in the two CPU tests respectively with the fact that I'm running the 4870 on an ancient SLI board (nForce 570). :rofl:

Clear? It should be.

I could care less how you see me. Your clock claims are baseless and anybody reading them would be a fool to assume any 4870 would come even close. That's what annoys me about people that make such claims. There is not one 4870 overclocker that achieved stable results like you are claiming with any 4870, let alone a reference design on a reference cooler. As far as I am concerned you've answered my questions already. Those 900/1250 clocks you are claiming are not stable, never were, and never will be. Anyone can tune their CCC OverDrive to the max ;)

As long as everyone reading these forums is clear on that I'm satisfied :)

Thanks :)
08-23-2008, 11:09 AM
Bootsy

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Thanks for the bios IRONBMAN flashed my visontek and my sapphire 4870's best stable clocks so far me @ 850/1165 on stock cooling with my quad running at 4200mhz.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=325413
08-23-2008, 12:15 PM
CraptacularOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by dejanh

Lol at the scores...let me make something very clear to you, and read carefully...

I was scoring 9.5k in GPU score alone not overall score at 850/1150 with a single 4870 and CPU bottleneck. Coincidentally this is higher than what you linked to in your first "quick run" and definite proof that you are not running at the claimed speeds. Anyways, here is the link below...

http://service.futuremark.com/home.a...&resultType=19

What do you even gain by making a fool of yourself?

Now, let me explain why I cannot score higher overall otherwise I'd smoke you there too...

At 3.6GHz Core 2 you have removed any bottleneck to a single HD 4870. This has been shown time and time again, but as you seemingly do not read any 4870 OC threads you would not know this, or so it appears. So your "weak" 4.3GHz OC is more than enough to let the card breathe fully. Now, I have an Athlon X2, lol, what do you expect I'm gonna score when my CPU barely runs at 3GHz and gets measly 595/8 in the two CPU tests respectively with the fact that I'm running the 4870 on an ancient SLI board (nForce 570). :rofl:

Clear? It should be.

I could care less how you see me. Your clock claims are baseless and anybody reading them would be a fool to assume any 4870 would come even close. That's what annoys me about people that make such claims. There is not one 4870 overclocker that achieved stable results like you are claiming with any 4870, let alone a reference design on a reference cooler. As far as I am concerned you've answered my questions already. Those 900/1250 clocks you are claiming are not stable, never were, and never will be. Anyone can tune their CCC OverDrive to the max ;)

As long as everyone reading these forums is clear on that I'm satisfied :)

Thanks :)

You are quite the misinformed troll aren't you? The 10k score was with the either 8.5 beta or 8.6 beta (forgot which) and there was obvious performance gains made since they were released. The 8.6 official, and the 8.7 beta, and now the 8.8 official have made great strides in the performance of the card in Vantage.

The score reflected in my 9.8k run are a obvious sign of this. Way to fail at understanding what you claim to know so well. Your 9.5k GPU score was still smashed by my 9.8k run using the current drivers.

No stop spamming your garbage and get a clue at life before you open your mouth.
08-23-2008, 01:08 PM
dejanh

Spin it off whichever way you want my friend, facts are facts and you got NOTHING to back up your claims. Like I said before, FurMark and ATITool or it never happened. And you definitely did not make those scores with 8.5 or 8.6 betas...check your version strings...me 9.5k score 8.520.2.0, you on the 9k score 8.520.0.0, on the 9.8k score 8.522.0.0

Edit: The last run too is August 21, so that's with 8.8 official which matches your version string. < 300pts more for you with your setup compared to mine, really, get a clue...

Way to beat yourself down in your own defensive argument :clap:

Anyway, I made my point before. No point in spreading lies. :rolleyes:
08-23-2008, 01:31 PM
CraptacularOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by dejanh

Spin it off whichever way you want my friend, facts are facts and you got NOTHING to back up your claims. Like I said before, FurMark and ATITool or it never happened. And you definitely did not make those scores with 8.5 or 8.6 betas...check your version strings...me 9.5k score 8.520.2.0, you on the 9k score 8.520.0.0, on the 9.8k score 8.522.0.0

Edit: The last run too is August 21, so that's with 8.8 official which matches your version string. < 300pts more for you with your setup compared to mine, really, get a clue...

Way to beat yourself down in your own defensive argument :clap:

Anyway, I made my point before. No point in spreading lies. :rolleyes:

No kidding the last run is Aug 21. Apparently you are brain dead and caoont understand written text. I was pointing out to you the increase in score from the driver revision. It's a GPU test captain troll. 300 points better is quite a difference and is well within reason for a 50Mhz speed in increase. What were you expecting from only 50Mhz? 1,000 points? All you are doing is accentuating your own ignorance with every reply.
08-23-2008, 01:39 PM
dejanh

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraptacularOne

No kidding the last run is Aug 21. Apparently you are brain dead and caoont understand written text. I was pointing out to you the increase in score from the driver revision. It's a GPU test captain troll. 300 points better is quite a difference and is well within reason for a 50Mhz speed in increase. What were you expecting from only 50Mhz? 1,000 points? All you are doing is accentuating your own ignorance with every reply.

300 is a very small difference. More than likely it is ONLY due to your CPU being significantly better and not bottlenecking your card, unlike mine, and maybe, just maybe a bit to do with the newer driver revision. Newer driver, 50MHz more on the core, combined with apparent 100MHz more base memory clock, combined with a massively better platform and CPU should definitely account for more than 300pts.

This is my last plea to you, FurMark and ATITool or it never happened. Why is it so difficult to do that? If anything, you'd make me eat my own words and prove to EVERYONE that 900/1250 can be done. :shrug:

I am begging you to prove me wrong in fact. I want to see that 900/1250 can be done and can be done solid. There is not ONE person that managed this so far, especially on stock everything.
08-23-2008, 04:17 PM
CraptacularOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by dejanh

300 is a very small difference. More than likely it is ONLY due to your CPU being significantly better and not bottlenecking your card, unlike mine, and maybe, just maybe a bit to do with the newer driver revision. Newer driver, 50MHz more on the core, combined with apparent 100MHz more base memory clock, combined with a massively better platform and CPU should definitely account for more than 300pts.

This is my last plea to you, FurMark and ATITool or it never happened. Why is it so difficult to do that? If anything, you'd make me eat my own words and prove to EVERYONE that 900/1250 can be done. :shrug:

I am begging you to prove me wrong in fact. I want to see that 900/1250 can be done and can be done solid. There is not ONE person that managed this so far, especially on stock everything.

300 points is not a "very small" difference in a benchmark. It's actualy quite the gain. And Vantage is not nearly as CPU bound as the previous benchmarks were as evidenced by your being able to get 9.5k on the GPU score on your AMD X2.

I really can't stand, ignorant forum trolls.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/2713/4870ls3.th.jpg

Wait, let me guess: I'm just faking that screen shot too? Get a clue junior. Just because YOU can't do it or your cards aren't capable of it, doesn't mean nobodies cards can.
08-23-2008, 06:55 PM
dejanh

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraptacularOne

300 points is not a "very small" difference in a benchmark. It's actualy quite the gain. And Vantage is not nearly as CPU bound as the previous benchmarks were as evidenced by your being able to get 9.5k on the GPU score on your AMD X2.

I really can't stand, ignorant forum trolls.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/2713/4870ls3.th.jpg

Wait, let me guess: I'm just faking that screen shot too? Get a clue junior. Just because YOU can't do it or your cards aren't capable of it, doesn't mean nobodies cards can.

Jeez was that so difficult? Finally, something. It's looking like you really got some kick ass cards. Congrats :up:

...now for the benefit of the rest of us can you please post some screens of longer ATITool runs showing no artifacts and maybe get FurMark running at 1280x1024 at least? Also, if you do not mind grabing Everest or GPU-Z 0.2.7 and showing the current draw of your GPU with your VRM temps.

I think a lot of us would appreciate it :)

Thanks!
08-23-2008, 07:06 PM
CraptacularOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by dejanh

Jeez was that so difficult? Finally, something. It's looking like you really got some kick ass cards. Congrats :up:

...now for the benefit of the rest of us can you please post some screens of longer ATITool runs showing no artifacts and maybe get FurMark running at 1280x1024 at least? Also, if you do not mind grabing Everest or GPU-Z 0.2.7 and showing the current draw of your GPU with your VRM temps.

I think a lot of us would appreciate it :)

Thanks!

So let me get this straight: You first accuse me of making this up, then say I don't know what I'm talking about, then proceed to insult me and now you want me to do something for your benefit? Yeah, umm...good luck with that :hm:
08-23-2008, 07:29 PM
Caveman787

It's for everyone that wants to overclock there 4870's and wanna see the good results available. I think he was just overly aprehensive because like he said not many people have been able to get that high.

snippe had to v mod to get to 895.
08-24-2008, 05:00 AM
IRONBMAN

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@ IRONBMAN,

Awesome! That was the easiest flash I've ever done. Right from windows (Vista 64) and it flashed it no problem! 990/1250 in CCC!
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Your welcome CraptacullarOne, now as I asked earlier as so I can help the engineer from ati that wrote me the bios (for the diammond XOC be) can you post for me ATItool running for at least one hour artifact free pleeeezzzz:)

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Flashed it today (Sapphire HD4870, no v-mods, no cooling mods). Runs perfectly. No hassles whatsoever. Now running fur @ 850/1200 up from 790/1100. I hope the core holds up to 900. Thanks for sharing IRONBAN!

Thank you Super Nade this is what i need to see, can you also post screene of ATItool running for one hour or more artifact free tks ironbman:clap:

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Thanks for the new bios mate, it is excellent. Managed to raise my gpu speed to 850 so far tested stable which has given me a 900 points boost in vantage. Will post final results once finished testing. Cheers
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Mumid- That is fantastic:clap: I hope you will follow up with screenes with all the good stuph showing:up:

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Thanks for the bios IRONBMAN flashed my visontek and my sapphire 4870's best stable clocks so far me @ 850/1165 on stock cooling with my quad running at 4200mhz.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=325413
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Bootsy way cool man:up: glad to help out , I know i must sound like a broken record but can you also post ATItool running for one hour pleezz:D

thanks to all who are helping out i will be sending the engineer all of the info im collecting from this forum as to futher assist him in wrighting an even better bios that might fix all of the referance 4870 cards:clap::rofl:
08-24-2008, 06:22 AM
Rick Flair

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Originally Posted by CraptacularOne

So let me get this straight: You first accuse me of making this up, then say I don't know what I'm talking about, then proceed to insult me and now you want me to do something for your benefit? Yeah, umm...good luck with that :hm:

Actually I would like to see ATItool pics also of your card running those speeds in the artifact scan. Furmark has been nerfed with later ATI drivers.
08-24-2008, 11:17 AM
dejanh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Flair

Actually I would like to see ATItool pics also of your card running those speeds in the artifact scan. Furmark has been nerfed with later ATI drivers.

I completely forgot about that. You are right. They nerfed FurMark in the driver so that it does not crash the cards. We definitely need to see ATITool or furmer with 8.7 or prior drivers at 1280x1024 at least, longer runs for both.
08-24-2008, 01:17 PM
Break16

hello guys

I'm from germany.

I have a question. I want to buy one of this two cards:

this one -> http://geizhals.eu/a359394.html

or this one -> http://geizhals.eu/a358411.html

which one should I buy? I want on of this graphic cards because they have another cooler and I'm sure that coolers are better in my opinion when I compare them with the normal coolers.

So my question: which one should I buy and I want to flash the card with a other BIOS.

Should I take the BIOS from the ASUS TOP oder from IRONBMAN?

best regards

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