Ubisoft: no plans to re-implement DX10.1 in Assassin's Creed

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Originally Posted by jas420221

Tell me why its stupid for nvidia to not have a feature that isnt and wont be used for MONTHS to come (in which time 2 sets of cards will have been released with the latter possibly having 10.1 when it usefull)?

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Well that answer is simple.
If I buy a card now, I want it to support DX 10.1, as I am going to use it for at least 6 months, in which many games could show up that benefit from 10.1 in the way AC did.

Of course the key is could, noone knows what games will support 10.1, and it might take ages.
It is however, not unreasonable to expect games coded for 10.0 to also support 10.1 at some point.

20% better performance for a relatively small fix. I would do it if I were a developer.

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Originally Posted by Jakko

Well that answer is simple.
If I buy a card now, I want it to support DX 10.1, as I am going to use it for at least 6 months, in which many games could show up that benefit from 10.1 in the way AC did.

Of course the key is could, noone knows what games will support 10.1, and it might take ages.
It is however, not unreasonable to expect games coded for 10.0 to also support 10.1 at some point.

20% better performance for a relatively small fix. I would do it if I were a developer.

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Your answer is what I expected...

but...what games are coming out using either 10.1 or tesselation by EOY 08? How many in fact by 09 will use it? Certainly WAY more than 08. But way more is awfully subjective considering anything is way more than *possibly* a couple.

20% in this, ONE, title. Here is to hoping that is linear across the board...though I see significant differences in that. :clap:

Well Jakko, again, I guess we should just agree to disagree. Fact remains though, that tesselation feature and 10.1 are both incredibly useless now and for MONTHS to come. Here is to hoping they get it out soon for.......ATI card owners' sake anyway. :yepp:

Funny, I think I am not going to need Dx10 at all, because I am still a WinXp user and I am very pleased with Dx9 performance of my 8800GT, and of course, I haven't seen a plausible reason to move to WinVista and Dx10...

I found it really funny while reading all this things about AC Dx10.1 vs. DX10 and red somewhere AC devs were trying to make Dx10 version(s) as good as Dx9. :p:

DX10.1 was FLAWED in this title. And the gains showed on a 2900XT also invalidates any numbers from rage3d.

So in short, hold your breath. Dont waste more time until a real non flawed DX10.1 title comes.

And before anyone defends Ubisoft. Try check a title called Pool of radiance :p:

Oh, and be careful about uninstalling their games :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Shintai

DX10.1 was FLAWED in this title. And the gains showed on a 2900XT also invalidates any numbers from rage3d.

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http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

Dig a Hole and put yourself in there with your astrological powers + trolling :p:
There are no gains with 2900XT. Recicling arguments is just sily.

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Originally Posted by v_rr

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

Dig a Hole and put yourself in there with your astrological powers + trolling :p:
There are no gains with 2900XT. Recicling arguments is just sily.

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Can you read the Rage3D part again? Or did you just want to flame and defend ATI as usual at all cost? Knight of Rubi? :rolleyes:

And again you keep holding on to a flawed implementation to somehow justify that DX10.1 is worth it. Unless your motto is; "DX10.1, if you want lower quality" :p:

And since Ubisoft removed it from the game. I think that quite settles it.

Talk about troll...try a mirror

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Originally Posted by Shintai

DX10.1 was FLAWED in this title. And the gains showed on a 2900XT also invalidates any numbers from rage3d.

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Are you being dense for a purpose, or just out of a calling?I can understand you have considerable issues understanding how a percentile increase is calculated(now, that is some really advanced math there), but not being able to read the FPS numbers themselves and do a rather trivial difference should worry you a bit.

You're telling all of us that the gain of 1.25 FPS without AA and the loss of 0.07 FPS with 4X AA prove that the 2900XT benefits from SP1 and some other magical mechanism is at play, thus the rendering the numbers invalid?Really?Compared to the behavior the 10.1 cards have?Are you familiar with the term of statistical significance?

I don't think anyone will disagree with the fact that Ubisoft could have given ATI users the choice whether or not to enable DX 10.1 and provide a disclaimer saying that it is beta and currently under development. Remember, when a game company takes away choices from the user, that is when we the customer lose, especially when they stop development on a patch that ultimately Nvidia users would have benefited from down the road.

However, at the same time, Ubisoft's decision to take it out out of Assasin's Creed does not negate their ability to offer DX10.1 support in future games that may support it better. I don't really get the arguments here against Nvidia since ATI users moaned and whined when Ghost Recon allowed a sub-menu for settings only for those users with SM3 cards; it was wrong then, and it would've been wrong now.

As a principle, no one gamer should have an inherent graphical advantage if they choose one company's latest hardware over another's, and the inability to play DX10.1 Assasin's Creed upholds that principle. Nevertheless, no proof is necessary when saying that the multi-billion dollar industry that is games and the multi-billion dollar High End GPU industry that rests (primarily) on its ability to play those games creates an environment where game developers feel pressures from many external parties every day, and it would not be to hard to imagine Ubisoft not wanting to allocate extra resources to bring DX10.1 gameplay for a GPU company that has no interest in supporting game development the same way Nvidia does.

Perkam

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Originally Posted by perkam

As a principle, no one gamer should have an inherent graphical advantage if they choose one company's latest hardware over another's, and the inability to play DX10.1 Assasin's Creed upholds that principle.

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Just because nvidia made the choice of being stubborn and not supporting 10.1, does not mean games shouldn't support 10.1 and run faster on it.
There is nothing wrong with supporting a feature that only one brand of technology offers, it's the way it always works.

Someone begins, a part of the industry follows, and eventually there is either a flop or a new industry standard.

As for Shintai, what can I say, I just hope other people ignore you like I do. You spread so much flawed information that it's starting to become impressive. :down:

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Originally Posted by Jakko

Just because nvidia made the choice of being stubborn and not supporting 10.1, does not mean games shouldn't support 10.1 and run faster on it.
There is nothing wrong with supporting a feature that only one brand of technology offers, it's the way it always works.

Someone begins, a part of the industry follows, and eventually there is either a flop or a new industry standard.

As for Shintai, what can I say, I just hope other people ignore you like I do. You spread so much flawed information that it's starting to become impressive. :down:

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Read the last sentence in entire post that you quoted. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Perkam

and it would not be to hard to imagine Ubisoft not wanting to allocate extra resources to bring DX10.1 gameplay for a GPU company that has no interest in supporting game development the same way Nvidia does.

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Perkam

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Originally Posted by Shintai

And since Ubisoft removed it from the game. I think that quite settles it.

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Removes if you install the patch. And no one with inteligence is going to install the patch on ATI.

Also patch bring lots of problems if you see the forums. Creates mores problems that those that fixes. The hurry to remove DX_10.1 was so mutch that messed up on the real important bugs :rofl:

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Originally Posted by v_rr

Removes if you install the patch. And no one with inteligence is going to install the patch on ATI.

Also patch bring lots of problems if you see the forums. Creates mores problems that those that fixes. The hurry to remove DX_10.1 was so mutch that messed up on the real important bugs :rofl:

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Yeah, I found it funny also the patch created a whole buggy new game.

Do you know if that problems occur using a savegame from an unpatched version or do the bugs appear with a clean savegame from the patched version?

Why are you fighting over the HD2900XT. The HD2900XT has no DX10.1 support. Only the HD3XXX has DX10.1 support.

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Originally Posted by SnipingWaste

Why are you fighting over the HD2900XT. The HD2900XT has no DX10.1 support. Only the HD3XXX has DX10.1 support.

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Because Shintai doesn't care. He probably just wants to get attention, while everything non-Intel from his posts range from quite uninsightful to brain-diarrhea.

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Originally Posted by perkam

it would not be to hard to imagine Ubisoft not wanting to allocate extra resources to bring DX10.1 gameplay for a GPU company that has no interest in supporting game development the same way Nvidia does.

Perkam

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As far I heard it, ATi coded the whole 10.1 path themselves. They always worked with Ubi for compatibility and all. Just because they didn't pull Ubi into the marketing/$ farce doesn't mean they don't help.

TWIMTBP however, is BS upon layers of BS, so many games already had vendorID checks to enable features like PCF, extra shader code etc.

What about ATI? Remember Truform? It was in Unreal Engine 2, but since UT2004 was TWIMTBP, it was quietly hidden away in an inf. Far Cry's HDR still doesn't work proerly with ATI cards, and a LOT of previous EA games are horrible in this aspect too.

Woa, it's probably wise for any Nvidia or non-biased member not to participate in this thread, cause this thread is by AMD and for AMD fan only, it's one of those way they pleasure themself I guess. Why bother defend Nvidia over a lamea$$ game in which Nvidia still dominates in performance with or without DX10.1

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Originally Posted by Krizby87

Woa, it's probably wise for any Nvidia or non-biased member not to participate in this thread, cause this thread is by AMD and for AMD fan only, it's one of those way they pleasure themself I guess. Why bother defend Nvidia over a lamea$$ game in which Nvidia still dominates in performance with or without DX10.1

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What the hell?
It's posts like this that surprise me, even most nvidia fans dislike the way Ubisoft did this. Directx 10.1 is very useful if it does what was seen in AC and anyone who is not completely dense agrees.

Noone has to bother defend nvidia, because nvidia is not your mommy.
They made a stupid choice not supporting 10.1 and now ubisoft made a stupid choice removing it from their game.

Whether or not it's a good game is not relevant in any way.
We allready know nvidia has the performance lead atm, rubbing that in my face in this thread makes you look pathetic.

Seriously enough is enough, I don't think we need at least 5 threads of people moaning about this because guess what: moaning is not going to change anything. Jakko no offence but do you intend to keep posting a new thread about this every week for the rest of your life or something?

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Originally Posted by Linchpin

Seriously enough is enough, I don't think we need at least 5 threads of people moaning about this because guess what: moaning is not going to change anything. Jakko no offence but do you intend to keep posting a new thread about this every week for the rest of your life or something?

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This thread was made after news came out regarding Ubisofts decisions.
If you are getting tired of this subject stay out of this thread.
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Congratulations, this issue has crossed the threshold into the realm of conspiracy theory!

Here, have a cookie.

Jakko and the other AMD fanboys really need to grow up here.

DX10.1 was permanently removed, Cry me a river, So i can use your tears to watercool my rig.... Having a flame war and Flame baiting isn't the way to go to prove your point. Maybe if you cry enough. Maybe you'll see DX10.1 in AC2. Now a Mod really needs to close this thread. Before more AMD Fanboys that are KNOW IT ALLS attack more high ranking members.

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

Jakko and the other AMD fanboys really need to grow up here.

DX10.1 was permanently removed, Cry me a river, So i can use your tears to watercool my rig.... Having a flame war and Flame baiting isn't the way to go to prove your point. Maybe if you cry enough. Maybe you'll see DX10.1 in AC2. Now a Mod really needs to close this thread. Before more AMD Fanboys that are KNOW IT ALLS attack more high ranking members.

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:clap: You've just join the flame fest :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

Jakko and the other AMD fanboys really need to grow up here.

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DX10.1 was permanently removed, Cry me a river, So i can use your tears to watercool my rig....

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Lol!

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Having a flame war and Flame baiting isn't the way to go to prove your point.

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DX10.1 was permanently removed, Cry me a river, So i can use your tears to watercool my rig....

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Lol!

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Maybe if you cry enough. Maybe you'll see DX10.1 in AC2. Now a Mod really needs to close this thread. Before more AMD Fanboys that are KNOW IT ALLS attack more high ranking members.

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Yes!
Please mods, help the poor "high ranking members" like Warboy! They are constantly being attacked by AMD fanboys and just want to have a "grown up" discussion! :ROTF:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6653/dibujotm9.png

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Only people that seems to have owned anyone is those owning themself. Its abit sad to see certain people hold so thight into something thats even removed. Simply to try constantly to make something out of nothing.

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

And we are on stage 2 it seems.

Hahaha
Those tags almost made me fall off my chair laughing.
What a mess!

Maybe it's about time a mod closes this thread, everything has been said I think. Unless someone has something interesting on-topic to add?