GeForce GTX 280 is Three Times Faster in F@H than HD3870

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05-24-2008, 03:07 PM
Isaac MM

Anyone knows if this GTX 280 will have aftermarket air cooling or it will be like the 9800GX2 that can only be cooled with water?
05-24-2008, 03:24 PM
DMH

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Originally Posted by Isaac MM

Anyone knows if this GTX 280 will have aftermarket air cooling or it will be like the 9800GX2 that can only be cooled with water?

Probably you'll be able to use HR-03 Plus if distance is the same,it will be able to be cooled by air coolers but they will have to very powerful to be able to dissipate 240W:eek:
05-24-2008, 03:25 PM
ToTTenTranz

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

True, they really should've waited for AMD to send them a few early 4870 samples to use in their presentation. I know I would have.....

And it is really lame of them to show numbers from their upcoming products at a conference about their upcoming products. How dastardly!

For those who didn't get it, the point was:
- They should have thrown in some 3870X2 numbers (which really doubles the single 3870 performance on F@H, since you can run two clients at the same time).
05-24-2008, 03:40 PM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

For those who didn't get it, the point was:
- They should have thrown in some 3870X2 numbers (which really doubles the single 3870 performance on F@H, since you can run two clients at the same time).

Exactly. The 3870X2 is still a multi-GPU solution requiring two separate instances of F@H. So I'm not sure why you think think it should have been included in that graph or what benefit it would have been to the audience.
05-24-2008, 03:40 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

That's my distorted picture! :mad:

The original can be found over at a certain site which reported about NVIDIA F@H client, but fumbled with the pictures. I didn't want to rat them out, but it still interesting news...

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7777.html

//Andreas

damn dude
you were there?
shame i didn't realise at the time :shrug:
05-24-2008, 03:41 PM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

You honestly think AMD owould have sent NVIDIA a card that is yet to be released, and not high end, to be put against the high end?

Heh, I thought I had laid the sarcasm on pretty thick there....guess it still wasn't enough.
05-24-2008, 05:14 PM
AMDDeathstar

Does the GTX 280 CUDA client beat HD3870 CAL client by 300%, I believe it would

I want to see what CUDA would do against CTM results
05-24-2008, 05:56 PM
Nuker_

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

Not sure how they measured it, but this Gefore is looking like a monster.

You honestly think AMD owould have sent NVIDIA a card that is yet to be released, and not high end, to be put against the high end?

Maybe becasue NVIDIA didnt support F@H before? + shows the power of the new card.

How can you claim that? you got all 3 cards? and tested them?

If you could read and understand the whole sentence, you would have realized that if these numbers had been translated into gaming frames per second, it would have had similar performance compared to 9800GX2, which is a card that will lose to 4870X2.
05-25-2008, 04:31 AM
Jacky

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Originally Posted by Nuker_

If you could read and understand the whole sentence, you would have realized that if these numbers had been translated into gaming frames per second, it would have had similar performance compared to 9800GX2, which is a card that will lose to 4870X2.

And you are Charlie Demerjian? Or the oracle of delphi?

Am I the only one that thinks it would be pathetic if a dual card setup from AMD could not obliterate a single nvidia card, though, NV can release a dual card themselves, thus it is pretty irrelevant if a 4870X2 is superior.

Dunno, it seems impressive and it probably is as Dinos gave us a clear hint :D
05-25-2008, 04:40 AM
GoThr3k

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Originally Posted by Jacky

And you are Charlie Demerjian? Or the oracle of delphi?

Am I the only one that thinks it would be pathetic if a dual card setup from AMD could not obliterate a single nvidia card, though, NV can release a dual card themselves, thus it is pretty irrelevant if a 4870X2 is superior.

Dunno, it seems impressive and it probably is as Dinos gave us a clear hint :D

A GT200 has a TDP op 238W, do you really want to have a dual die single pcb with that?
05-25-2008, 05:08 AM
adamsleath

:worship: gt280

:worship: 4xxx series.

more revenues for the 'checkout-chick' e-tailers.
05-25-2008, 07:58 AM
Jacky

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Originally Posted by GoThr3k

A GT200 has a TDP op 238W, do you really want to have a dual die single pcb with that?

well normally they'd use an underclocked GTS-variant, whether it will feasible in any way I have no clue :D
05-25-2008, 08:01 AM
Nuker_

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Originally Posted by Jacky

And you are Charlie Demerjian? Or the oracle of delphi?

Am I the only one that thinks it would be pathetic if a dual card setup from AMD could not obliterate a single nvidia card, though, NV can release a dual card themselves, thus it is pretty irrelevant if a 4870X2 is superior.

Dunno, it seems impressive and it probably is as Dinos gave us a clear hint :D

No, but AMD is in a very bad position, should the 4870X2 lose to 9800GX2. I do however find that event very unlikely. If nV would release a GTX280 GX2, those 1 kW+ power supplies would finally become useful.
05-25-2008, 11:51 AM
Isaac MM

Is there any confirmation which one is the fastest? GTX 280 or 4870X2?
05-25-2008, 12:02 PM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by Isaac MM

Is there any confirmation which one is the fastest? GTX 280 or 4870X2?

how can there be a confirmation, if nothing but rumors are available of both cards? :ROTF:

wait till the 18th of june to find out.
05-25-2008, 12:05 PM
Nuker_

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

how can there be a confirmation, if nothing but rumors are available of both cards? :ROTF:

wait till the 18th of june to find out.

That cant be true. Is there NDA till release day? We have always seen benches some weeks before launch.
05-25-2008, 12:09 PM
conzymaher

NDA is June 17th
05-26-2008, 02:15 AM
XSAlliN

That's just folding and just pre marketing. Remember the old news where 2900XT was suppose to be n times faster then 8800GTX, they even got the monster specifications but the results were - how should I put it: Lame! Now, nVidia is doing the same thing - I doubt GTX 280 would be even 2x faster then HD 3870 in games, even with his 6+8 power connector... maybe 3 times the power consumption, now that I might believe.
05-26-2008, 05:25 PM
Aivas47a

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

For those who didn't get it, the point was:
- They should have thrown in some 3870X2 numbers (which really doubles the single 3870 performance on F@H, since you can run two clients at the same time).

If you can link/post a guide for doing this it would be much appreciated. According to the folding forum running a second gpu client on the second core of the 3870X2 doesn't work. See for example:

http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=2145
05-26-2008, 10:42 PM
zanzabar

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

That's just folding and just pre marketing. Remember the old news where 2900XT was suppose to be n times faster then 8800GTX, they even got the monster specifications but the results were - how should I put it: Lame! Now, nVidia is doing the same thing - I doubt GTX 280 would be even 2x faster then HD 3870 in games, even with his 6+8 power connector... maybe 3 times the power consumption, now that I might believe.

the 2900 is way faster at maya and CAD and call of warez (i think that its valid its sponsored by both ATI and NV), but in gaming rendering takes a back seat to assembling frames and its not like low shader optimization and dx9 textures with dx10 shading/overlays helps ati out (dont flame, im saying NV = game, ATI = workstation)

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

For those who didn't get it, the point was:
- They should have thrown in some 3870X2 numbers (which really doubles the single 3870 performance on F@H, since you can run two clients at the same time).

there is a huge limit with slot bandwidth and the cpu queuing up stuff for the gpu and the client cant do it (it only will touch 1core)
05-27-2008, 05:01 AM
perkam

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but this is a win for ATI actually.

The HD 3870 costs 3.75X Cheaper than the $600 GTX 280: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161218

So technically you get more for your card per dollar with the 3870 than you do with the GTX 280.

Perkam
05-27-2008, 05:04 AM
Luka_Aveiro

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Originally Posted by perkam

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but this is a win for ATI actually.

The HD 3870 costs 3.75X Cheaper than the $600 GTX 280: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161218

So technically you get more for your card per dollar with the 3870 than you do with the GTX 280.

Perkam

And instead of having a 240W TDP you get a fairly decent 330W TDP, much better indeed :rolleyes:
05-27-2008, 05:13 AM
perkam

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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro

And instead of having a 240W TDP you get a fairly decent 330W TDP, much better indeed :rolleyes:

Meow?

http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-3800/power-idle.gif

http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-3800/power-load.gif

That plus the price difference means Nvidia cannot claim F@H crunching superiority with this demonstration alone. Frankly I'm surprised this thread was not debunked much earlier.

Perkam
05-27-2008, 05:16 AM
XSAlliN

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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro

And instead of having a 240W TDP you get a fairly decent 330W TDP, much better indeed :rolleyes:

Says who? I own one of those and I can assure you that 330W TDP is fake, stressed at max with FurMark never got beyond 200W.
05-27-2008, 05:25 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by perkam

Meow?

http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-3800/power-idle.gif

http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-3800/power-load.gif

That plus the price difference means Nvidia cannot claim F@H crunching superiority with this demonstration alone. Frankly I'm surprised this thread was not debunked much earlier.

Perkam

Techreport is not quite good with those figures. Here is the figures from the HD3870X2.

http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-...power-idle.gif
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-...power-load.gif

Absolutely no consistency. Also i think he wanted you to scale AMD to the same performance. And price/performance on highend parts vs lowend parts is...not right. Its like comparing a 100$ 2.4Ghz Core 2 with a 1499$ 3.2Ghz.

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