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01-28-2008, 01:51 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoThr3k

i dont call this single card, just 2 cards slammed together

Then you gotta look at the 3870 x2 the same way, it's just 2 cards slammed onto one pcb, complete with 2 bios's.

Personally, I'm avoiding both camps dual gpu solutions like they were Rosie O'Donnell's bedroom.
01-28-2008, 01:53 PM
GoThr3k

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

Then you gotta look at the 3870 x2 the same way, it's just 2 cards slammed onto one pcb, complete with 2 bios's.

Personally, I'm avoiding both camps dual gpu solutions like they were Rosie O'Donnell's bedroom.

1PCB is single card for me, 2PCB's is just a lame effort to provide some extra power, its just a silly attempt to copy ATI

the ATI solution is a bit innovative at least
01-28-2008, 01:55 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoThr3k

1PCB is single card for me, 2PCB's is just a lame effort to provide some extra power, its just a silly attempt to copy ATI

the ATI solution is a bit innovative at least

ATi's solution isn't innovative... It's been done before.

Think 3dfx first. There's also been dual-gpu nvidia solutions that were single pcb. The dual 7800gt from asus comes to mind, for example.

It's been done before. ;)
01-28-2008, 02:00 PM
Wiggy McShades

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoThr3k

1PCB is single card for me, 2PCB's is just a lame effort to provide some extra power, its just a silly attempt to copy ATI

the ATI solution is a bit innovative at least

how is this innovation? honestly crossfire and sli in themselves are bad enough for just being lazy this crap with 4 gpu's is just plain stupid.
01-28-2008, 03:10 PM
GoThr3k

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

ATi's solution isn't innovative... It's been done before.

Think 3dfx first. There's also been dual-gpu nvidia solutions that were single pcb. The dual 7800gt from asus comes to mind, for example.

It's been done before. ;)

i know it has been done before, but never with a "high-end" card

dual 2600XT (sapphire) dual 7800GT (asus, but no driver support)
but never with a high end card.
this is a first, ok, the pcb has 12 layers, and you need some good driver to let it work, but it is starting to go to dualcores on the ATI board, on the nvidia card, they just slam 2 PCB's together and put a bridge between them.....
01-28-2008, 03:12 PM
VoRtAn_MaDgE

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoThr3k

i know it has been done before, but never with a "high-end" card

dual 2600XT (sapphire) dual 7800GT (asus, but no driver support)
but never with a high end card.
this is a first, ok, the pcb has 12 layers, and you need some good driver to let it work, but it is starting to go to dualcores on the ATI board, on the nvidia card, they just slam 2 PCB's together and put a bridge between them.....

Gigabyte 3D1 was high end at the time and was an nvidia solution in one pcb (dual 6800gt gpu's)

http://www.hardcoreware.net/image.ph...&ts=1107907086
http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data...inal-pic-2.jpg
01-28-2008, 03:47 PM
WRC

i thought the geforce 9 high end should be the g100 chip, why not just call it 8800gx2 since all the g-92's are called ge-force 8XXX
01-28-2008, 06:19 PM
Jodiuh

Meh.

IMO, w/ the exceptions of benching and 30" inch displays, a single GT/GTS/3870 can be more than enough for today's games and will keep pc gaming headaches to a minimum. I'll be waiting for a card 2x faster than a GTS 512 w/ same power envelope and at least 2 games that don't blow their load in less than a weekend...Bioshock/Crysis. :( COD4/TF2 and other MP games get 10x the action a decent SP shooter gets. This whole MGPU thing seems like a stopgap until we have the true "9800GTX/4870". Now we have new architecture-->shrunken, same performance-->dually, better performance-->2 yrs later, 2x performance w/ reasonable power/noise.
01-28-2008, 07:01 PM
Warboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodiuh

Meh.

IMO, w/ the exceptions of benching and 30" inch displays, a single GT/GTS/3870 can be more than enough for today's games and will keep pc gaming headaches to a minimum. I'll be waiting for a card 2x faster than a GTS 512 w/ same power envelope and at least 2 games that don't blow their load in less than a weekend...Bioshock/Crysis. :( COD4/TF2 and other MP games get 10x the action a decent SP shooter gets. This whole MGPU thing seems like a stopgap until we have the true "9800GTX/4870". Now we have new architecture-->shrunken, same performance-->dually, better performance-->2 yrs later, 2x performance w/ reasonable power/noise.

Well I think this should be called 8900GX2, and the "9800GTX (G9x)" should be called 8950GTX. and then the G100 should be the 9800GTX.
01-28-2008, 07:15 PM
xlink

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEC911

I hope you are joking on that last part...
As for that chart, everything seems normal except for the last 4 cards.

HD2900XT using less than the GTX?
1024mb using less than the 512mb?
HD3870 using 30w more than the HD2900XT?

That is very hard to believe. Link to the review?
Does he state how he finds the power consumption? My guess is a Kill-a-watt.
Read why most wattage meters mean nothing, with the exception of the Chroma.

the 1024mb part uses DDR4.

don't rant until you know what you are talking about.
01-28-2008, 07:39 PM
Warboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlink

the 1024mb part uses DDR4.

don't rant until you know what you are talking about.

:clap:
01-28-2008, 09:53 PM
Jodiuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

Well I think this should be called 8900GX2, and the "9800GTX (G9x)" should be called 8950GTX. and then the G100 should be the 9800GTX.

That makes FAR too much sense. ;) Why keep w/ previous naming conventions when you can distance yourself w/ one of the best GPU's released in the 8800GTX...wait...:confused: :p: :rolleyes:
01-29-2008, 01:37 AM
Tim

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

ATi's solution isn't innovative... It's been done before.

Think 3dfx first. There's also been dual-gpu nvidia solutions that were single pcb. The dual 7800gt from asus comes to mind, for example.

It's been done before. ;)

Rage Fury Maxx aswell. :p:

I have one in front of me, Dual Rage 128pro chips.
01-29-2008, 02:02 AM
..::ABSOLUT::..

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

ATi's solution isn't innovative... It's been done before.

Think 3dfx first. There's also been dual-gpu nvidia solutions that were single pcb. The dual 7800gt from asus comes to mind, for example.

It's been done before. ;)

Yes,it's been done but 3870X2 has native crossfire support on the card itself.

The card itself has a chip (PLX) which provides the communication
between the two Gpus.
So you don't need a Crossfire supporting mobo to use it.
(HD 2600XT used the same way )

But Asus Dual 7800Gt or earlier the Gigabyte Dual 6600GT were communicating over the nortbridge,you needed to use SLI supporting chipsets.And as far as I know those solutions weren't supported officialy by Nvidia.This means no real driver support.
Since 3dfx Nvidia only released ''sandwich'' solutions like 7950GX2 and 9800GX2...
01-29-2008, 02:16 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanie's Show

Quite easy for water block makers really, just make a block the same thickness as the current cooler, double sided with entry/exit flow holes obviousley in the top, take the current GTS/GTX block for instance and slap another one on it opposite facing. after all thats all nVidia themselves have done, took 2 cards and slapped another one against it oppsite facing.

its not easy at all, how do you mount the block?
its possible, but its not easy to do...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

Then you gotta look at the 3870 x2 the same way, it's just 2 cards slammed onto one pcb, complete with 2 bios's.

Personally, I'm avoiding both camps dual gpu solutions like they were Rosie O'Donnell's bedroom.

hows it the same thing?
1pcb vs 2 pcbs glued together is a big difference.
if done properly the nvidia approach of using 2 pcbs could actually be cheaper, easier to cool and could clock higher if they would use a normal single card pcb as the firt half of the dualcard and would have only one gpu between the two pcbs and not both.
01-29-2008, 12:34 PM
Seanie's Show

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

its not easy at all, how do you mount the block?
its possible, but its not easy to do....

LOL, obviousley the same way they mount the current stock cooler in-between two PCB's, you could have much shorter screws which screw into pre drilled holes in each side of the block.
01-29-2008, 12:36 PM
shogo_ca

the photos are down, can someone put them back pleasE?
01-29-2008, 12:45 PM
Tuvok-LuR-

http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-1_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-2_1.jpg
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http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-6_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-7_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-8_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-9_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-10_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-11_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-12_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-13_1.jpg
01-30-2008, 01:31 AM
GoldenEye

GeForce 9800GX2 naked card photosGeForce 9800GX2 naked card photos

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-1.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-2.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-3.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-4.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-5.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-6.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-7.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-8.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-9.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhun...00GX2/1-10.jpg
01-30-2008, 04:00 AM
NapalmV5

absolutely no different than quantum3d voodoo2 sli

i loved 3dfx i love sli but for goodness sake drop the dual pcb already!
01-30-2008, 04:53 AM
X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE

If you look carefully you can see a second PCB on some 3870x2 cards as well, they need it for the 4 x DVI.
01-30-2008, 05:57 AM
WangChung

Quote:

Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE

If you look carefully you can see a second PCB on some 3870x2 cards as well, they need it for the 4 x DVI.

THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!! :shakes:
01-30-2008, 06:27 AM
X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE

Quote:

Originally Posted by WangChung

THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!! :shakes:

Your alowed your opinion. In my opinion the 9800GX2 is a single card solution.
01-30-2008, 06:35 AM
twin_savage

think about how much of the heat from the pwm power regulation and memory gets dissipated into the pcb, alot. dual pcbs will have more surface area and will be able to clock high due to the better heat dissipation. dual pcbs also let the card be shorter so it will fit in more cases and fit with more room to spare (could increase case air flow) in other cases.
01-30-2008, 07:33 AM
NapalmV5

@ single card sli solution

voodoo2 never was
7950GX2 never was
9800GX2 never will, unless single pcb

all other single pcb dual gpu = single card sli solution

2 pcb * 2 gpu = 2 card solution regardless of the single pcie connector

how can it be called single card solution ?

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