Next Gen VS. Current Gen CPU: Crysis Benchmark

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11-05-2007, 10:23 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

So how do you explain the big spread in performance between the various CPUs?

Any game benchmark that removes the GPU as a bottleneck is a 'good' CPU benchmark. Not 'real world' but it does show the potential of the CPU.

It's the GPU d'oh!
11-05-2007, 10:27 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

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I've already acknowledged the memory timings issue, yes, they are crap, AMD will do better with better timings, but so will Intel, but not to the same extent obviously. Still, no amount of memory tweaking will get Phenom anywhere NEAR Core2 in this benchmark, and you know it.

No they aren't.

98% of DDR2 800 sold in this world is CL5.That's real world.
Go buy a Dell or HP or any not-DIY PC and you'll get DDR2 800@CL5-5-5-15.
11-05-2007, 10:27 AM
SturmoV

My Crysis demo utilizes only one core here (G15 performance monitor display show 50% utilization). How you guys been able to get the game to use two or four cores to bench its performance?
11-05-2007, 10:29 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcho

An overclock on a intel system of X% give you <X% of performance.

The phenom can have >X%, this is the only one cpu witch can do this.

But i really think this is a fake.

Haha...with this , I've heard it all.

K10 gives you super linear gains , good one.Does it also cook breakfast and dates your girl ?
11-05-2007, 10:36 AM
Epsilon84

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

No they aren't.

98% of DDR2 800 sold in this world is CL5.That's real world.
Go buy a Dell or HP or any not-DIY PC and you'll get DDR2 800@CL5-5-5-15.

LOL cmon, don't give me that real world stuff, you know what I mean. This is XS, I'm looking at things from an enthusiast perspective. Crap timings are crap timings, IRL a 3GHz Core2 is blazing fast, here it's slower than a run of the mill stock voltage overclock...
11-05-2007, 10:43 AM
XS Janus

This is a pretty stupid test IMO.
Where is the NEXT gen GPU?
And all that on DEMO, please...
NEXT!
11-05-2007, 11:02 AM
RedBull78

Mr. cookerj please stop spreading propaganda man. I get enough of that from my government. Thanks.
11-05-2007, 12:17 PM
gallag

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

Haha...with this , I've heard it all.

K10 gives you super linear gains , good one.Does it also cook breakfast and dates your girl ?

I thought it was a funny statement also, how does it work you might ask?

well apparently if you overclock a 2ghz phenom to 2.4ghz it will be as fast as a 2.4ghz c2d, and if you oc it to 3ghz it will be as fast as a 3.4ghz core2 and if you oc it to 4ghz it will send a t100 cyborg Terminator unit back through time to destroy the Intel team in Haifa, Israel, before they could invent core2.

do you follow?
11-05-2007, 12:20 PM
John600rr

Quote:

Originally Posted by gallag

I thought it was a funny statement also, how does it work you might ask?

well apparently if you overclock a 2ghz phenom to 2.4ghz it will be as fast as a 2.4ghz c2d, and if you oc it to 3ghz it will be as fast as a 3.4ghz core2 and if you oc it to 4ghz it will send a t100 cyborg Terminator unit back through time to destroy the Intel team in Haifa, Israel, before they could invent core2.

do you follow?

I've heard enough. Time traveling cyborgs is where I draw the line. I'm buying AMD stock.
11-05-2007, 12:24 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129

Not the best benchmark for CPUs but it does show that C2Qs outperform Phenom X4 by ~25%. The timing on AMD is crappy but whatever the memory timings are, it won't cross the 25% gap between the two.

With these early indications, I would have to guess that Phenom X4 is 20%-25% slower clock for clock.

Two tests :
old one http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29...0532d6599.html
showing 5% gap between Phenom and Penryn.
new one http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2...91d6785_1.html
showing 25% gap between Phenom and Penryn.
Why?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookerjc

a soundcard driver or something else
anyway, the problem solved..

:shakes:
How in the world this can happen with 2 different setup (one for Intel and one from AMD)?
Too weird to be reliable. I don't say fake, i just say let's see in 2 weeks...
11-05-2007, 12:43 PM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Two tests :
old one http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29...0532d6599.html
showing 5% gap between Phenom and Penryn.
new one http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2...91d6785_1.html
showing 25% gap between Phenom and Penryn.
Why?

:shakes:
How in the world this can happen with 2 different setup (one for Intel and one from AMD)?
Too weird to be reliable. I don't say fake, i just say let's see in 2 weeks...

They removed the GPU bottleneck by lowering the graphic settings.What's that hard to understand ?

Now , you can better see what each CPU can do.
11-05-2007, 12:58 PM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Two tests :
old one http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29...0532d6599.html
showing 5% gap between Phenom and Penryn.
new one http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2...91d6785_1.html
showing 25% gap between Phenom and Penryn.
Why?

:shakes:
How in the world this can happen with 2 different setup (one for Intel and one from AMD)?
Too weird to be reliable. I don't say fake, i just say let's see in 2 weeks...

You do know how Crysis benchmark work right? That it uses the settings you got in crysis to test with?

I bet my rear end on the first is mainly GPU limited with a higher res than the other.

Also your links dont work...

I wonder what the new excuse will be when Phenom launches. Newer bios? B3 stepping? RD890 platform will first really unleash phenom? Oh, the soap opera...
11-05-2007, 01:27 PM
happychappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

You do know how Crysis benchmark work right? That it uses the settings you got in crysis to test with?

I bet my rear end on the first is mainly GPU limited with a higher res than the other.

Also your links dont work...

I wonder what the new excuse will be when Phenom launches. Newer bios? B3 stepping? RD890 platform will first really unleash phenom? Oh, the soap opera...

Agreed.
11-05-2007, 01:44 PM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

You do know how Crysis benchmark work right? That it uses the settings you got in crysis to test with?

I bet my rear end on the first is mainly GPU limited with a higher res than the other.

Also your links dont work...

I wonder what the new excuse will be when Phenom launches. Newer bios? B3 stepping? RD890 platform will first really unleash phenom? Oh, the soap opera...

And what will your excuse be when you fairytail ends mister realist?:D
11-05-2007, 01:49 PM
mstp2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

And what will your excuse be when you fairytail ends mister realist?:D

Do you do anything but flamebait?
11-05-2007, 01:50 PM
Vapor

It's easy to say X > Y when the numbers agree. Until then....
11-05-2007, 02:18 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

You do know how Crysis benchmark work right? That it uses the settings you got in crysis to test with?

I bet my rear end on the first is mainly GPU limited with a higher res than the other.

Also your links dont work...

I wonder what the new excuse will be when Phenom launches. Newer bios? B3 stepping? RD890 platform will first really unleash phenom? Oh, the soap opera...

First the site is down.
Second i search excuses for nothing. I just wait the Phenom launch, that's all.
I'm interesting about it and search reliable sources of information about it : reliable it's the key word.
11-05-2007, 02:26 PM
Eastcoasthandle

Why is everyone so pissed off? I haven't seen one post that provides any alternate conclusion with explanation (did I miss it). Tell you what, lets do our own tests then. At least we can provide some sort of statical data then just arguing around in a circle. I'll start, here is my test with a E6700 at 3.4 using default settings of 1024x768 with all the other settings set to "high" (not sure if changing these to low will "stick" otherwise).

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...s_1024_768.png
With the above setup I am getting 39 FPS with the first loop to 46 FPS with the remaining 3 loops

Now what are you getting with the same setup?
11-05-2007, 02:37 PM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbelJemka

First the site is down.
Second i search excuses for nothing. I just wait the Phenom launch, that's all.
I'm interesting about it and search reliable sources of information about it : reliable it's the key word.

Site works fine..just need to use the right links...

http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29...0532d6599.html works alot better than http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29...0532d6599.html

I will await your new excuse when it launches :yawn2:
11-05-2007, 02:38 PM
Calmatory

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

No they aren't.

98% of DDR2 800 sold in this world is CL5.That's real world.
Go buy a Dell or HP or any not-DIY PC and you'll get DDR2 800@CL5-5-5-15.

So you want REAL WORLD results? Isn't it clear to everyone that Intel just about RAPES AMD's by stock speed, price, power consumption, overclockability and market share? If you care about OEM, then stick with Intel, there is no OEM share for AMD for a long time, unless they can beat old Pentium 4's or cheap C2D/Pentium Exxxx machines Intel is selling. Also even if AMD COULD compete with speed/price, Intel would pay the resellers NOT to sell AMD's, like it has done all the time. Thats why no one cares about OEM, except Intelists, just to smash AMD people, am I right? ;)
11-05-2007, 02:43 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Site works fine..just need to use the right links...

http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29...0532d6599.html works alot better than http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29...0532d6599.html

I will await your new excuse when it launches :yawn2:

Nobody is perfect, wrong copy paste :p:
When it launches I will accept the reality...if it need to.
11-05-2007, 02:56 PM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

And what will your excuse be when you fairytail ends mister realist?:D

The guy who got owned twice in the same day ( 3Dmark and crysis ) talks about fairytales ?

ROFL , you're living in one dude! The one which will have an abrupt ending on nov 20.

Oh , wait , I forgot that numbers mean nothing to the emotional brain.
11-05-2007, 03:10 PM
adamsleath

amd people should be happy as they get the stuff cheaper this way...
and i know when amd stuff beats intel they charge a frikken fortune for it.:shakes: thanks for that.
(re: pre c2d X2 prices:lol:)
11-05-2007, 03:17 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamsleath

amd people should be happy as they get the stuff cheaper this way...
and i know when amd stuff beats intel they charge a frikken fortune for it.:shakes: thanks for that.
(re: pre c2d X2 prices:lol:)

Intel used to give cpu and chipset for free since so many years...:rolleyes:
11-05-2007, 03:18 PM
The_Beast

Can AMD win any fight easily these days :rofl:

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