狂少's CDT-tweak

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10-24-2007, 05:37 AM
elmor

Quote:

Originally Posted by kemo6600

Actually you are unable to read , he is saying master copy-waza first then compare it to that OPB tweak ,,, plain simple ,,,, best thing is to ask Fredy-san to test it as no one can question his skill and credibility

I'm saying that this tweak is already proven to work. I will try his method when I get the chance.
10-24-2007, 05:40 AM
kemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor

I'm saying that this tweak is already proven to work. I will try his method when I get the chance.

Yes it is proven to work but is it much better than copy-waza !!!!!!!! prove it ...
10-24-2007, 05:41 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3

This is by elmor:

This tweak definitely works!

Pics up soon.

edit:

System specs, just straight boot didn't editing any timings:
http://bandwidth.se/imgs/1/74/sysspecs.jpg

Then just run without cw/cdt:
http://bandwidth.se/imgs/1/74/nocw.jpg

And with the previous OPB CDT I learned from him:
http://bandwidth.se/imgs/1/74/cdt.jpg

Now, how about with this new OPB CDT-IV tweak:
http://bandwidth.se/imgs/1/74/opbcdt.jpg

Wow, how about that? I just shaved of 16 seconds of a SPI 32M round!

I'll explain exactly how I did it as some have some trouble understandning how to do this tweak.

First you will need to set your maxmem to 600 (I used 620 which worked good aswell, though I belive the file 600+32MB is 600MB = avaliable ram and the extra 32MB is because of pi 32M calculation, am I right Kevin?) and also I believe it is very important to have a 512-512MB big pagefile on the SPI-partition (D: in my and Kevins case). Ok, now the instructions:

1. I created 1x 632mb file using the command "fsutil file createnew D:\myfile 647168000" (1000*1024*632) for a file of exactly 632MB.
2. Then I put it in a RAR-archive with the Store Compression method for no compression.
3. After that I renamed it to myfile2 and then myfile3 and after each rename add it to the RAR-archive with the Store option so that you get a 1896MB big RAR-archive.
4. Then I transfered it to my benchdisk with an USB flashdisk (I created the file on my laptop) and put it on SPI-partition (D:\file.rar).
5. Now you start SPI and select 32M calculation and press OK, but don't press OK to start it, let it wait there.
6. After that you copy it three times to C:\file.rar and the two other times you have to overwrite of course.
7. Next you copy D:\file.rar to any folder on D:\, for me it was D:\cw\, three times just like you did to C:\ before.
8. Now, as Kevin says, to balance it you copy the file C:\file.rar to D:\file.rar and overwrite it. I did it three times and I saw the ammount Avaliable memory raise each time.
9. Now you can close the Taskmanager if you had it open for monitoring and all the other windows not related to SPI and now you can start your calculation!

Hope this writeup helps you understand Kevins outstanding tweak better, I can only imagine what it takes to be able to find this tweak out.

BTW, I didn't get the Avaliable memory and System cache balanced so System cache was about 2MB more. If I can get those two balanced maybe even more gain is possible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor

Please remove that last part, it might be bugged. (the last pic)

Helloooo........elmor......How come and you gained about 20sec out of it?..... :D
10-24-2007, 05:42 AM
elmor

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Helloooo........elmor......How come and you gained about 20sec out of it?..... :D

That part was removed already, I am currently doing new tests to confirm this.
10-24-2007, 05:45 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallica

@Hipro, what if he would video tape the 32M booting straight at 3.6G , would you finally believe it? i hope you wouldn't claim for windows speed hacking tool hidding in the task manager :P

@Xavier, lol xDD ;)

HA, HA, HA......From OPB I expect EVERYTHING....Even hiden speed hacking..... :rofl:

ONLY "neutral" users please.....Thanks......:)
10-24-2007, 05:48 AM
elmor

BTW, I forgot to write down that you have to wait until Avaliable memory has stopped raising before closing the task manager and starting the calculation if someone didn't get that.
10-24-2007, 05:48 AM
NiCKE^

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

HA, HA, HA......From OPB I expect EVERYTHING....Even hiden speed hacking..... :rofl:

ONLY "neutral" users please.....Thanks......:)

From a man of your age you're very childish indeed.
10-24-2007, 05:49 AM
BenchZowner

Guys...those 16 seconds that you've got down elmor... hmm
Sad to say that, but could be done just by copy wazza.

Here's a test from the past:

No tweaks at all
http://i17.tinypic.com/4yp361u.jpg

Only copy wazza tweak ( no priority, no explorer, no maxmem, no nopci lock, nothing, just copy wazza )
http://i8.tinypic.com/5z5n6lx.jpg

16seconds faster, sharp.
10-24-2007, 05:52 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by kemo6600

Actually you are unable to read , he is saying master copy-waza first then compare it to that OPB tweak ,,, plain simple ,,,, best thing is to ask Fredy-san to test it as no one can question his skill and credibility

You think so (as for Fredyama) ?.....I think so too BUT Mr. OPB or should I say: "Mr. They can't stop me because I'm Onepagebook" (as it's written on his avatar :p: the LORD, THE CHOSEN ONE :worship: :worship: )may have a different oppinion about Japanise guys as he says in his forum that they know nothing about tweaks and things like that...... ;)
10-24-2007, 05:54 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiCKE^

From a man of your age you're very childish indeed.

Thanks... :)
10-24-2007, 05:54 AM
TiN_

I don't consider this tweak seriously too, easier and faster way just to free memory with short VBS script.

http://tin.topmods.net/novbs.png
Stock run

http://tin.topmods.net/vbs3.png
running vbs script, take a look how much mem did it took.

http://tin.topmods.net/vbs.png
script self-quited, now we have optimized memory (all not used apps are swapped to pagefile, plenty of memory free now)
10-24-2007, 05:59 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallica

Lol, if you run Super Pi with that acid program in the background it whill crash inmediatly, i know it cause i did several tests in the past to prove why he didn't use them,due to lack of time i wasn't able to finish it yet

so you are "neutral" in this? :D

Some other guys have shown us the opposite.....They used speed proggies and they worked OK.......PLUS they could rename them AS THEY WISH in case of showing task managger and services if you remember well....They could EVEN rename it as: svchost.exe......No?..... ;) :p:

I'm neutral for myshelf.....So IF I don't get any gain out of it and post it, "some" will say: "Ahhh....we didn't expected from you to see any gain".....
So I don't "count"...... ;)
10-24-2007, 06:04 AM
kemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

You think so (as for Fredyama) ?.....I think so too BUT Mr. OPB or should I say: "Mr. They can't stop me because I'm Onepagebook" (as it's written on his avatar :p: the LORD, THE CHOSEN ONE :worship: :worship: )may have a different oppinion about Japanise guys as he says in his forum that they know nothing about tweaks and things like that...... ;)

Let him rot! Why should we care ? :ROTF: :ROTF:
10-24-2007, 06:06 AM
BenchZowner

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Guys...those 16 seconds that you've got down elmor... hmm
Sad to say that, but could be done just by copy wazza.

Here's a test from the past:

No tweaks at all
http://i17.tinypic.com/4yp361u.jpg

Only copy wazza tweak ( no priority, no explorer, no maxmem, no nopci lock, nothing, just copy wazza )
http://i8.tinypic.com/5z5n6lx.jpg

16seconds faster, sharp.

...expecting a not tweaked vs only CDT tweaked run with better gain than 16s ;)
10-24-2007, 06:08 AM
hixie

I did a few more SPI 4M tests with my dual xeon rig, did the CDT-IV tweak i did before, and i did my own version of this tweak, final times are exactly the same.

My version "Hixie tweak ver1.0"
Step 1: Set MAXMEM to 600, and made a file 604MB large (600 as in the MAXMEM value and 4 because i'm running 4M Super Pi)
Step 2: Open up Super Pi, and select 4M, but stop that the start button.
Step 3: Open task manager, and keep copying the same 604MB file into THE SAME FOLDER, until System Cache and Available memory figures match each other.
Step 4: Close everything, and run Super Pi.
10-24-2007, 06:15 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by hixie

I did a few more SPI 4M tests with my dual xeon rig, did the CDT-IV tweak i did before, and i did my own version of this tweak, final times are exactly the same.

My version "Hixie tweak ver1.0"
Step 1: Set MAXMEM to 600, and made a file 604MB large (600 as in the MAXMEM value and 4 because i'm running 4M Super Pi)
Step 2: Open up Super Pi, and select 4M, but stop that the start button.
Step 3: Open task manager, and keep copying the same 604MB file into THE SAME FOLDER, until System Cache and Available memory figures match each other.
Step 4: Close everything, and run Super Pi.

SO......You DIDN'T see ANY gain out of this "CDT-IV tweak"?.....
Thank you.......NEXT ONE PLEASE....:)
10-24-2007, 06:16 AM
Charles Wirth

I think we need to see 1M at 5.3Ghz, this 32M stuff has large margin of error.
10-24-2007, 06:17 AM
hixie

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

SO......You DIDN'T see ANY gain out of this "CDT-IV tweak"?.....
Thank you.......NEXT ONE PLEASE....:)

Between No tweak and CDT-IV there is a difference (quite substantial aswell), but my own version seems to do exactly the same as CDT-IV.

I'll test it again with my E6850 this time.
10-24-2007, 06:21 AM
massman

Quote:

Originally Posted by hixie

I did a few more SPI 4M tests with my dual xeon rig, did the CDT-IV tweak i did before, and i did my own version of this tweak, final times are exactly the same.

My version "Hixie tweak ver1.0"
Step 1: Set MAXMEM to 600, and made a file 604MB large (600 as in the MAXMEM value and 4 because i'm running 4M Super Pi)
Step 2: Open up Super Pi, and select 4M, but stop that the start button.
Step 3: Open task manager, and keep copying the same 604MB file into THE SAME FOLDER, until System Cache and Available memory figures match each other.
Step 4: Close everything, and run Super Pi.

And what about doing it entirely how OPB described it?

By the way, running scripts and bat files might indeed be better. I've seen the Italian guys having .BAT scripts on their desktop, so I reckon they use something similar.

Maybe we should ask? :p
10-24-2007, 06:21 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUGGER

I think we need to see 1M at 5.3Ghz, this 32M stuff has large margin of error.

On 1M you will see NOTHING at all......EVEN IF you bench it with ONLY ONE RAM MODULE (SINGLE DDR) with the same timmings as two, you'll get the EXACT SAME RESAULT....;) :p:
10-24-2007, 06:29 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallica

You're wrong mate, you're not getting the point of the tweak, copy waza won't have an effect in 1M but CDT tweak WILL do, if you run it well of course...

OK......I'll test it my shelf and report back to .....myself too.... ;)
Please test yourself 1M with ONLY ONE RAM Module and with TWO (Dual)...and tell me the difference....as we are talking about bandwidth here...;)
10-24-2007, 06:29 AM
MaSell

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallica

You're wrong mate, you're not getting the point of the tweak, copy waza won't have an effect in 1M but CDT tweak WILL do, if you run it well of course...

Will have effect, if you know how to do it ;)
10-24-2007, 06:33 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor

Copy Waza != CDT(-IV) tweak, you could say that the CDT tweak is a more advanced Copy Waza though.

Yes indeed, you could say it's a copy waza with an extra gear ;)

My findings remains the same

With just maxmem at 680 i get 29.4secs
With either copy waza or this method i go easy below 29secs.:D

For me it works so wel done :up:
10-24-2007, 06:36 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

Yes indeed, you could say it's a copy waza with an extra gear ;)

My findings remains the same

With just maxmem at 680 i get 29.4secs
With either copy waza or this method i go easy below 29secs.:D

For me it works so wel done :up:

So by using Copy Waza OR this tweak you get the SAME resault?.... :)
10-24-2007, 06:39 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

So by using Copy Waza OR this tweak you get the SAME resault?.... :)

yes, by this i get easier 28.9XX, copy waza often gives me 29.0XXsecs

However this is AMD, i remember intel being less hungry on big gains with 1 tweak.

Anyone with amd that can verify my testings?(wich killed my old 5GB hdd :D )

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