Good design, good overclock, good pipe-The MSI P35 Neo2-FR overview

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11-13-2007, 04:25 PM
heikis

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyemarn

BIOS 1.6 is out. Try live update to download it or get it from MSI's FTP site.

live update doesnt work and i have no idea what the FTP of MSI is. i simply cant find a newer bios.

:mad: :mad:
11-13-2007, 08:29 PM
EvilBellyLint

Quote:

Originally Posted by heikis

live update doesnt work and i have no idea what the FTP of MSI is. i simply cant find a newer bios.

:mad: :mad:

ftp://ftp.msi.com.tw/BIOS/

EBL
11-13-2007, 08:34 PM
NickS

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilBellyLint

ftp://ftp.msi.com.tw/BIOS/

EBL

Uhh.. user & pass?
11-13-2007, 09:16 PM
wyemarn

From MSI forums

ftp://duser:duser@66.232.110.239/

Mainboard model is MS-7345

The only changelog is Peryn CPU support. I think it is compatible with .5 multipliers.
11-13-2007, 09:35 PM
EvilBellyLint

Try this:

Direct link to Beta BIOS v1.6
11-14-2007, 12:18 AM
scooter.jay

Anyone tested penryn with .5 multis with newer bios out of interest.
11-15-2007, 12:08 PM
heikis

Is there a way to fix the "double-boot" issue? OC jumpers are set to 333MHz. At stock everything is fine but for example 420FSB and it double-boots. You restart the computer and it turns off, then on for a split second, then off and then ON.
Also when cold booting.

I have the latest 1.6v BIOS isntalled.
Any fixes out there?
11-15-2007, 06:03 PM
gudodayn

For the MSI P35 FIR motherboard.........can we just use P35 Platinum BIOS on them?
Just got it couple of days ago and is having problems OCing over 400FSB.
I still have the original BIOS that came with the board and want to see if I have better luck with a new BIOS.

Doea anyway know what's the average OC for a E2180 on this board anyway?
11-15-2007, 06:28 PM
NickS

Yup you can.
11-15-2007, 07:19 PM
wyemarn

Quote:

Originally Posted by heikis

Is there a way to fix the "double-boot" issue? OC jumpers are set to 333MHz. At stock everything is fine but for example 420FSB and it double-boots. You restart the computer and it turns off, then on for a split second, then off and then ON.
Also when cold booting.

I have the latest 1.6v BIOS isntalled.
Any fixes out there?

I think its normal with P35 boards. Try upping chipset voltage and VDIMM. If you can find the correct setting that it may only do single boot.
11-15-2007, 07:28 PM
EvilBellyLint

Quote:

Originally Posted by gudodayn

For the MSI P35 FIR motherboard.........can we just use P35 Platinum BIOS on them?
Just got it couple of days ago and is having problems OCing over 400FSB.
I still have the original BIOS that came with the board and want to see if I have better luck with a new BIOS.

Doea anyway know what's the average OC for a E2180 on this board anyway?

avg. is probably 3.4GHz out of that E2180

EBL
11-15-2007, 09:36 PM
gudodayn

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilBellyLint

avg. is probably 3.4GHz out of that E2180

EBL

I'm seeing a lot of users online posting these CPUs (C2D CPUs) with over 400 FSBs...........is this common?
Kinda makes me aim for a 400FSB as well with my chip!
Just ran 300 x 9 overnight with dual 32M Pi and dual Orthos without any hickups!
Would a BIOS upgrade improve my OC?
I see on MSI's website, the latest BIOS release for P35 Platinum is Version 1.6 / 2007-10-31..........any recommendations on earlier versions??
11-21-2007, 06:53 AM
Nazu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

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If you crank up the NB and the FSB voltage, you get much more performance at lower voltages on the GO Q6600. I'm running at 3.4Ghz at 1.30v

You mean upping the nb and vtt voltage compensates for high vcore? I'm using 1,4v vcore now but it's more like 1,37-1,38v under load. Clocks are 3.4GHz.
11-24-2007, 02:13 AM
slugzkea

1.6 bios?

anybody try the 1.6 P35 platinum bios on their p35 neo2-fr?

I'm currently on 1.1 bios, my e6300 is at 3.5ghz but my ATI 3870 is showing slower performance
11-24-2007, 07:41 AM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

anybody try the 1.6 P35 platinum bios on their p35 neo2-fr?

I'm currently on 1.1 bios, my e6300 is at 3.5ghz but my ATI 3870 is showing slower performance

UPDATE: 1.6 bios sucks. vdroop is mad.

Tried 1.4 bios too, still no luck.

1.1 bios seems to be the most stable, little to none vdroop, and highest overclock for me. (e6300@3.5ghz)
11-25-2007, 06:48 AM
gudodayn

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter.jay

thanks for the reply. At the moment running 400x8 e2140 at 3.2ghz on swiftech apogee water block. The reason i asked is for when i get e8500/e8400 i will need to use a more mature bios due to the high clocks they seem to be able to reach but at the moment everything is rock solid and the limit i have reached is almost certainly the cpu limit not the board or ram. The thing is that i have already been told not update my bios by msi forums which i must admit i found strange as with all the other boards i have used bios updates have always shown some improvement.:shrug:

Hi Scooter ~ I'm running a E2180 with a Apogee as well, just wondering what kind of temps are you getting?
My is 333 x 9 @ 1.45V ~ Idle:31 / Load: 55
400 x 9 @ 1.65V ~ Idle: 40 / Load 65
I had a AMD dual core system prior to this, the difference is in the idle and load temperatures. AMD would give me a difference of 10~15 degrees only where as the Intel CPU is about 25 degrees!!!
11-25-2007, 09:40 AM
gudodayn

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugzkea

anybody try the 1.6 P35 platinum bios on their p35 neo2-fr?

I'm currently on 1.1 bios, my e6300 is at 3.5ghz but my ATI 3870 is showing slower performance

I just did a P35 Platinum 1.60 flash on my P35 FIR..........it seems to be better than the 1.60 I had for the FIR......I am sure the 2 are different becuase of the different BIOS dates.

Prior to this, I did a performance P08 BIOS flash and that didnt work too well.....it wouldn't recognize my raid arrays!!

Which is why I reflashed it to the platinum..........

Compare to my old 1.60 BIOS:
I use to run 333x9 @1.45V, on the platinum 1.60 BIOS I can run 333x9 @1.375
Vdrop is just as bad....currently testing 366x9 @ 1.525V but CPU-Z shows its fluctuating between 1.504~1.512V
It seems to be running cooler at the same speeds as well or it might just be my watercooling system still flushing out air bubbles!!

I'll do more tests and get back to ya
11-28-2007, 07:23 AM
ownage

So you can use the Platinum bios? What advantages does that give?
11-28-2007, 02:15 PM
afireinside

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownage

So you can use the Platinum bios? What advantages does that give?

I'd like to hope it gives the advantage of not sucking, but I haven't tried yet.

This board is by far the worst motherboard I have ever owned. The BIOS sucks, the overclocking sucks, the performance sucks.
11-28-2007, 02:23 PM
ownage

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

I'd like to hope it gives the advantage of not sucking, but I haven't tried yet.

This board is by far the worst motherboard I have ever owned. The BIOS sucks, the overclocking sucks, the performance sucks.

:ROTF: does it suck? :shocked:
What problems do you have, besides that PSU problem? Most ppl in this thread seem to be liking this board.
11-28-2007, 02:33 PM
afireinside

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownage

:ROTF: does it suck? :shocked:
What problems do you have, besides that PSU problem? Most ppl in this thread seem to be liking this board.

BIOS is horrible. Bad layout and bad overclocking options.

performance sucks. My pi times are downright awful for the clocks at some settings.

Doesn't overclock well. My XBX2 and 680i took this chip a bit higher than this board with greater stability.
11-28-2007, 02:59 PM
Nazu

Hmm...I think this is a great mobo for it's price. Bios is good enough and has enough vcore, vdimm and other volts. Stability hasn't been problem. Only thing about the layout that sucks it he placement of the atx2 power connector. Running my quad at 3.6GHz without problems and it's enough for me :)
11-28-2007, 03:06 PM
ownage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazu

Hmm...I think this is a great mobo for it's price. Bios is good enough and has enough vcore, vdimm and other volts. Stability hasn't been problem. Only thing about the layout that sucks it he placement of the atx2 power connector. Running my quad at 3.6GHz without problems and it's enough for me :)

Yeah, what about quad clocking?
Does the 4phase power design keep up with higher then 3.6ghz (unstable, benchable)?
11-28-2007, 03:08 PM
NickS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazu

Hmm...I think this is a great mobo for it's price. Bios is good enough and has enough vcore, vdimm and other volts. Stability hasn't been problem. Only thing about the layout that sucks it he placement of the atx2 power connector. Running my quad at 3.6GHz without problems and it's enough for me :)

Yup me too :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownage

Yeah, what about quad clocking?
Does the 4phase power design keep up with higher then 3.6ghz (unstable, benchable)?

Other people have ran their quads at almost 3.9 in this thread.
11-28-2007, 03:16 PM
Nazu

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownage

Yeah, what about quad clocking?
Does the 4phase power design keep up with higher then 3.6ghz (unstable, benchable)?

Vdroop is about 0.02-0.03v and 3.6GHz is prime stable :)

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