Athlon X2 5000+ Black Edition

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09-30-2007, 10:10 PM
adamsleath

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I'd still buy this over the 6400+

retailers arent listing 5000+ black yet in aus.:shrug:
10-01-2007, 03:16 AM
freeloader

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Originally Posted by zornundo

This is almost genious on AMD's part. They put up a web-site, probably just a few minutes' work from some poor tech, and it gets people talking all across the web's forums. Brilliant!

Remember the saying there's no such thing as bad publicity?

Remember the boy who cried wolf?
10-01-2007, 04:02 AM
funnyperson1

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Originally Posted by Skratch

This is a joke,AMD is not going to make any money off this,its geared to us and not the oem and big guys out there.They are wasting there time and money and is another stupid marketing dicision they are making.No OEMwants an unocked slower speed k8 for there systems.

The question is how long they can make there fanboys wait before they wake up and see how bad AMD is doing right now.

People are resigning and selling millions apon millions of there stocks with the company.This is not like before,AMD is really hurting because they took out a huge loan to buy out ATI(wich I have said before was a stupid move at this time)and should of bought them in 5 years when they had more market share.

I agree AMD is in a far worse off position than they were with K7, but they can't quickly switch everything to K10 for the same reason they couldn't do it for K8...lack of funds.

I don't see why the hate for the 5000+ BE, its not a great product, but its not horrible. AMD probably got a new revision of Brisbane which clocks a bit better, and thought they would milk it for some money before trickling it down to the lower chips. Otherwise most smart people were buying 4000+ chips, overclocking them and getting similar or better performance than the 6000+ does stock. If these can do 3.0 at stock voltage they can probably do 3.2-3.4 at least and thats competitive with the F3s, sure its still slower by like 10-20%...but its also cheaper than everything but the 5200+ F3.

AMD didn't really overhype it...all of us did, they didn't have a big launch event, they put up a simple webpage with some vague wording. I know we've been waiting for them to launch something worthwhile, which is why our imaginations ran wild...but I can't hate AMD for making what they can out of a bad situation.
10-01-2007, 04:11 AM
tictac

if anybody got hand on this one... can you check L2 cache latency and compare it with Windsor F3? Do they improve the latency on this new stepping 2 CPU?
10-01-2007, 06:43 AM
Skratch

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Originally Posted by nn_step

I am going to put it bluntly, so that everyone can understand this.

EVERY PROCESSOR THAT AMD SELLS MEANS PROFIT.

very wrong,I will bet you any amount of money that they will loss money with this chip.DELL,HP, ect... have no interest what so ever for a black series k8.

Heck AMD while your at it,could you setup a line at a multi million dollar plant to spin out 65nm 939 x2s,I would buy one since I have all my old gear and would love to push the 65nm chips with low latency BH5 ram.

This is something to keep AMd fans loyal and not have them leave to intel.AMDs marketing thinks that people will buy a AM2+ board and throw one of these in it to hold them over for bacelonas.

This is a waste of silicon and to all that think they will overclock like mad need to take a lesson on stepping revs,this is there first time making a 65nm k8,how well do you think these things will clock,If anything amd is using these black series to tweak there revisions.

How can they make money when the chips are dirt cheap and will not be sold in huhe oem markets? this chip is a pure enthusiast chip to keep the amd fans aboard ship for a little while longer.

little reality check,every big player in the company has sold there stocks,what does that mean bro???
10-01-2007, 07:03 AM
GenTarkin

anyone see this??? wonder what voltage was needed....

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,6870.html
10-01-2007, 07:18 AM
funnyperson1

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Originally Posted by Skratch

very wrong,I will bet you any amount of money that they will loss money with this chip.DELL,HP, ect... have no interest what so ever for a black series k8.

Heck AMD while your at it,could you setup a line at a multi million dollar plant to spin out 65nm 939 x2s,I would buy one since I have all my old gear and would love to push the 65nm chips with low latency BH5 ram.

This is something to keep AMd fans loyal and not have them leave to intel.AMDs marketing thinks that people will buy a AM2+ board and throw one of these in it to hold them over for bacelonas.

This is a waste of silicon and to all that think they will overclock like mad need to take a lesson on stepping revs,this is there first time making a 65nm k8,how well do you think these things will clock,If anything amd is using these black series to tweak there revisions.

How can they make money when the chips are dirt cheap and will not be sold in huhe oem markets? this chip is a pure enthusiast chip to keep the amd fans aboard ship for a little while longer.

little reality check,every big player in the company has sold there stocks,what does that mean bro???

Dude what are you talking about...65nm K8s have been out for at least 9 months (I've had mine since February). They were already making a 65nm 5000+, this is a new revision thats in a black box...it costs them a negligable amount of money to put out this Black edition.
10-01-2007, 07:41 AM
Rickster_64

I must say though, WHY are they wasting time further tweaking brisbane when its going away? I know it will be made for a while, but the speed steps are DONE for these cores and just make due with current yields on 65nm until you get your gravy product K10 done. I mean come on it's late enough as it is that they should be spinning die after die of K10's now trying to get them out the door and not wasting time jacking with K8.
10-01-2007, 10:56 AM
Skratch

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Originally Posted by funnyperson1

Dude what are you talking about...65nm K8s have been out for at least 9 months (I've had mine since February). They were already making a 65nm 5000+, this is a new revision thats in a black box...it costs them a negligable amount of money to put out this Black edition.

my bad,I havnt been reading up on AMDs chips for a while,I had thought they went from 90nm to 65nm just for this run.
10-01-2007, 11:00 AM
TorquedJetta

This is NOT the black edition right? Here @ Newegg

And when should we be seeing these out if that is not the Black Edition?
10-01-2007, 11:14 AM
GenTarkin

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Originally Posted by TorquedJetta

This is NOT the black edition right? Here @ Newegg

And when should we be seeing these out if that is not the Black Edition?

You are correct that is NOT the black edition.

I for some reason am dying to get a black edition 5000+ ... I dont know why lol...I just think well Im on a S939 system right now and I think it would be a good time to switch out my parts for some of the last awesome A64 AM2's
and since there is not too much known on the OC ability of these new steppings(other than 3ghz@ default voltage and that one I posted earlier 3.5ghz on air cooling)...I think it would be fun to be some of the first to play around with it.
And its about time an unlock multiplier was avail for chips that dont cost a fortune.
10-01-2007, 01:00 PM
nullface

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Originally Posted by tictac

if anybody got hand on this one... can you check L2 cache latency and compare it with Windsor F3? Do they improve the latency on this new stepping 2 CPU?

Second that big time!!!
10-02-2007, 01:27 AM
Gothic

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Originally Posted by GenTarkin

You are correct that is NOT the black edition.

I for some reason am dying to get a black edition 5000+ ... I dont know why lol...I just think well Im on a S939 system right now and I think it would be a good time to switch out my parts for some of the last awesome A64 AM2's
and since there is not too much known on the OC ability of these new steppings(other than 3ghz@ default voltage and that one I posted earlier 3.5ghz on air cooling)...I think it would be fun to be some of the first to play around with it.
And its about time an unlock multiplier was avail for chips that dont cost a fortune.

Found @ NCIX

http://www.ncixus.com/products/25878/ADO5000DSWOF/AMD/
10-02-2007, 01:46 AM
mAJORD

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Originally Posted by Rickster_64

I must say though, WHY are they wasting time further tweaking brisbane when its going away? I know it will be made for a while, but the speed steps are DONE for these cores and just make due with current yields on 65nm until you get your gravy product K10 done. I mean come on it's late enough as it is that they should be spinning die after die of K10's now trying to get them out the door and not wasting time jacking with K8.

Because as you hesitated to say yourself, brisbane is NOT going away.

It's in the roadmap for at least another year as low end chips, probably up to 2.9ghz
10-02-2007, 01:50 AM
Tsaroth

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Originally Posted by Gothic

Found @ NCIX

http://www.ncixus.com/products/25878/ADO5000DSWOF/AMD/

Awesome man, thanks. I've been looking for where they were hiding the damned things for about a week.

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Originally Posted by GenTarkin

anyone see this??? wonder what voltage was needed....

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,6870.html

I believe that is a fake screenshot. It doesn't look like the real thing and see where the specification line is entirely too long....?

I own amd stuff so I want it to hit 3.5ghz also but I don't want photo-chopped images giving me false hope :shrug:
10-02-2007, 01:56 AM
Nedjo

black adder has arrived! :)

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2...8752xi7.th.jpg

I'll gave it a spin tonight, so I'll have something to report later on...

Just to let you know I only have convectional air cooling!
10-02-2007, 02:06 AM
mAJORD

It's not fake, end of story nor is it that hard to belive.

It's better than G1 brisbanes but not that much better that it would be unbeliveable. (i.e 3.2-3.3 stable is quite dooable on current G1's with water, so why is 3.4-3.5 so hard to belive?)
10-02-2007, 02:15 AM
Calmatory

It is a screensot from CPU-Z validator. http://valid.x86-secret.com/
You can put that ID (247532) to the validator and it proves that the CPU-Z run was valid.
10-02-2007, 02:17 AM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by Tsaroth

I believe that is a fake screenshot. It doesn't look like the real thing and see where the specification line is entirely too long....?

I own amd stuff so I want it to hit 3.5ghz also but I don't want photo-chopped images giving me false hope :shrug:

So many lazy people nowadays. Why don't you just check here

http://valid.x86-secret.com/

Type in the ID on the scree nshot and hey presto...it's not fake.

ofc, they could of done it with water, ln2 or deep space cooling for all we know, but the result is valid.
10-02-2007, 02:23 AM
funnyperson1

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Originally Posted by Skratch

my bad,I havnt been reading up on AMDs chips for a while,I had thought they went from 90nm to 65nm just for this run.

Now I understand your indignation at this release, that would have been really stupid of them.

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Originally Posted by Tsaroth

Awesome man, thanks. I've been looking for where they were hiding the damned things for about a week.

I believe that is a fake screenshot. It doesn't look like the real thing and see where the specification line is entirely too long....?

I own amd stuff so I want it to hit 3.5ghz also but I don't want photo-chopped images giving me false hope :shrug:

That SS is almost certainly real, its CPU-Z validated. On top of that as mAJORD said, if G1's could do 3.2-3.3 on water (and some do 3.1-3.2 on high end air), why wouldn't someone be able to do 3.5 on water with the new revision.
10-02-2007, 08:20 AM
Nedjo

As promised here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&postcount=66

Here is report:

Motherboard: http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Product_...fx3200m2gL.jpg

Cooler: http://modlabs.net/pics/fx57/cooler.jpg

Memory: http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...fire_certified

Graphics: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...nt.php?S_ID=6#

WindowsXp 32 SP2

Without any voltage tweaking CPU works @ 3.2 GHz by simple change of multi from 13 to 16.

Upping voltage from default 1.3V to 1.4V results in stable 3.3 GHz (16.5x multi)

Reaching 3.4 GHz on this cooling wasn't possible. Entering in to Windows was possible, but Orthos would crash few secs after starting.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2...arezpf4.th.jpg

with this setup (16.5x200), memory works @ 733 MHz
10-02-2007, 09:13 AM
_d_

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

As promised here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&postcount=66

Here is report:

Motherboard: http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Product_...fx3200m2gL.jpg

Cooler: http://modlabs.net/pics/fx57/cooler.jpg

Memory: http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...fire_certified

Graphics: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...nt.php?S_ID=6#

WindowsXp 32 SP2

Without any voltage tweaking CPU works @ 3.2 GHz by simple change of multi from 13 to 16.

Upping voltage from default 1.3V to 1.4V results in stable 3.3 GHz (16.5x multi)

Reaching 3.4 GHz on this cooling wasn't possible. Entering in to Windows was possible, but Orthos would crash few secs after starting.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2...arezpf4.th.jpg

with this setup (16.5x200), memory works @ 733 MHz

:rocker:
10-02-2007, 09:13 AM
Lightman

This looks promising Nedjo! :up:

Have fun with new toy!:)
10-02-2007, 10:18 AM
bokis

As an old Swedish saying, don`t sell the skin before the bear ís shot :cool:
10-02-2007, 11:29 AM
nullface

The cache, is it still as slow as the normal Brisbanes (L2 latency)?
20 cycles?

EDIT: DOH! i see it now on the SS, a shame :(

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