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09-10-2007, 05:17 AM
freeloader

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

on a slightly different note...

Another review:

http://www.tecchannel.de/index.cfm?p...pk=1729224&p=1

I Can't read german so that entire review just makes my head hurt bigtime.. (plus it's bed time). I can read the graphs though, Anyone (or many of you) who CAN read german care to take a looksie, The results of 2ghz barc vs 2.33ghz Xeon look more impressive than the other 2 reports, interested in why it may be.

goodnight

Very interesting, especially the results for SPECint_rate_base2006.
09-10-2007, 05:35 AM
R101

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

that's the whole point that many people don't understand... in serverland there is always a rule to buy cpu n-x you never buy the best performer.

even if a new stepping will arrive it won't be much faster clock/clock. it will have other main improvements like power consumption and improved clock speed.

There will be faster K10's for the same amount of money. My comment still stands. Why would someone buy a k10 now, and not in a 2-3 months. If not for clock speed then for reduced power consumption. The current revision is only for the shareholders.
09-10-2007, 05:37 AM
EvlUndrWareNome

I dont care what an Intel favored test shows. No virtualization at all... Wheres the benches showing the FP power of the chip?

It is an early release, lets see the chip in Q4 on a newer platform and we dont even know how it reacts to overclocking yet.
09-10-2007, 05:49 AM
JumpingJack

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

on a slightly different note...

Another review:

http://www.tecchannel.de/index.cfm?p...pk=1729224&p=1

I Can't read german so that entire review just makes my head hurt bigtime.. (plus it's bed time). I can read the graphs though, Anyone (or many of you) who CAN read german care to take a looksie, The results of 2ghz barc vs 2.33ghz Xeon look more impressive than the other 2 reports, interested in why it may be.

goodnight

Because they are exercising server workloads, and AMD's dual socket interconnect fairs better than Intel's dual FSB.... on CPU bound workloads, this is not the case... i.e. Desktop.

AMD will be competitive winning some losing some on server applications, and will fall short on DT....

Core for core, clock for clock -- Barcey improved about 15% over K8... this is short of the Core advantage by 5-10%....

Jack
09-10-2007, 05:58 AM
CraptacularOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvlUndrWareNome

.....we dont even know how it reacts to overclocking yet.

Well, I think we can all agree that it's not going to score 30k in 06 now with 2 2900XT's.......:rolleyes:
09-10-2007, 06:00 AM
naokaji

Quote:

Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Because they are exercising server workloads, and AMD's dual socket interconnect fairs better than Intel's dual FSB.... on CPU bound workloads, this is not the case... i.e. Desktop.

AMD will be competitive winning some losing some on server applications, and will fall short on DT....

Core for core, clock for clock -- Barcey improved about 15% over K8... this is short of the Core advantage by 5-10%....

Jack

i woudnt agree with that.. simply because we havent seen the performance yet of k10 with a *proper* chipset and real ram.
09-10-2007, 06:00 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraptacularOne

Well, I think we can all agree that it's not going to score 30k in 06 now with 2 2900XT's.......:rolleyes:

Nobody said a stock barcelona or 2.5ghz clocked would do that.

and we can all agree it's faster then intel latest offering.
09-10-2007, 06:05 AM
gallag

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

Nobody said a stock barcelona or 2.5ghz clocked would do that.

and we can all agree it's faster then intel latest offering.

Are you for real?
09-10-2007, 06:09 AM
CraptacularOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

Nobody said a stock barcelona or 2.5ghz clocked would do that.

and we can all agree it's faster then intel latest offering.

Are you high? They already said it's not going to overtake Intel in a performance war. And my response was to his remark about how it's going to respond to overclocking, meaning that the 30k 06 benchmark from INQ was BS.....Wake up buddy, do you hear that knocking? It's called the hard truth. AMD is not going to get the performance crown back with K-10. Sad really as I was hoping it would, as that would spark a huge price war and we all would be winners.
09-10-2007, 06:10 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by naokaji

i woudnt agree with that.. simply because we havent seen the performance yet of k10 with a *proper* chipset and real ram.

you call a Broadcom BCM5780 a improper chipset?

Well if nvidia also fails, what else can you use.. there arent many alternatives of chipsets that support amd cpus. :yepp:
09-10-2007, 06:12 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by gallag

Are you for real?

Sure i'm not blind , i see and read what i see and read

It's clearly that AMD has regained the performance crown, it's just a hard pill for the intel boys to swallow.

:D
09-10-2007, 06:13 AM
Jacky

Quote:

Originally Posted by naokaji

i woudnt agree with that.. simply because we havent seen the performance yet of k10 with a *proper* chipset and real ram.

stop right there. they hype is over. if there is nothing dreadfully wrong/crippled like disabled cores/cache NOTHING MUCH will change. just look at the super duper miracle x38 chipset from Intel. 1-5% improvement, but it uses a lot more power and is really expensive. It's just a chipset after all! :) (not to upset any intel funs: but it will be a hell of a great platform for Intel's penryn, 4ghz penryn with 2ghz ddr3 anyone? it is already set in stone that this setup will own phenom, if anandtech didn't lie to us...)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

and we can all agree it's faster then intel latest offering.

We can't because it simply ain't true. k10 is a very specialised/unbalanced arch and thus it's slower/much faster then core 2 in different applications. on the serverside it is much better than xeon at its CURRENT price point... but on the desktop it is MUCH WORSE than the currently available Intel offerings. However phenom will improve on that so it won't be *that bad* with a 2,6ghz phenom anymore.
Anyway I agree: overall the K10 is a superior arch than c2d, at least for server workloads. if it only scaled as well and was able to compete with penryn in future. well let's see how things turn out...
09-10-2007, 06:13 AM
naokaji

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

you call a Broadcom BCM5780 a improper chipset?

Well if nvidia also fails, what else can you use.. there arent many alternatives of chipsets that support amd cpus. :yepp:

well.. they are bascially "patched" k8 chipsets... i'd wait for chipsets specifically made for k10...
09-10-2007, 06:15 AM
Nasgul

Quote:

Originally Posted by duploxxx

let's see what you're favorite vendor will bring after this 45nm die shrink. Barcelona has a lot of room to improve. clock/cache/memory/shrink/split powerplain not to forget the HTT3 that is very interesting on a +2 socket system.

Obviously you've never heard of the next move, the 32nm which will bring a new architecture. :welcome: to yersterday.

Quote:

stay happy and post only on the INTEL fanboy subforum.

Shouldn't you be doing the same and post only in the amd forum only then?
09-10-2007, 06:16 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nasgul

Obviously you've never heard of the next move, the 32nm which will bring a new architecture. :welcome: to yersterday.

Shouldn't you be doing the same and post only in the amd forum only then?

ah yes, and it's planned for 2007 right

lol :rofl:
09-10-2007, 06:16 AM
Zytek_Fan

:shakes: I guess I'm going to have to go Intel with my next build :( / :)
09-10-2007, 06:18 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

:shakes: I guess I'm going to have to go Intel with my next build :( / :)

you seem to forget that this is server performance with low clocked ships...

desktop is a totally other cat to handle ;)
09-10-2007, 06:19 AM
CraptacularOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

Sure i'm not blind , i see and read what i see and read

It's clearly that AMD has regained the performance crown, it's just a hard pill for the intel boys to swallow.
:D

Time to get your eyes checked then buddy.

I think it's more of a harsh truth for the AMD die-hards that they aren't getting back on top.
09-10-2007, 06:19 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by naokaji

well.. they are bascially "patched" k8 chipsets... i'd wait for chipsets specifically made for k10...

Chipsets for AMD means even less than chipsets for Intel. Intel can atleast improve the memory controller. With AMD the only thing you really got is PCIe/PCI and disk I/O. No chipset will make it any faster than it is today.
09-10-2007, 06:23 AM
xVeinx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Chipsets for AMD means even less than chipsets for Intel. Intel can atleast improve the memory controller. With AMD the only thing you really got is PCIe/PCI and disk I/O. No chipset will make it any faster than it is today.

True. The biggest performance boost will be for from different memory, which is pretty important for AMD as AM2 showed us. This won't close the gap necessarily, but we shouldn't forget about it either.
09-10-2007, 06:24 AM
gallag

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

Sure i'm not blind , i see and read what i see and read

It's clearly that AMD has regained the performance crown, it's just a hard pill for the intel boys to swallow.

:D

BS, how has AMD regained the performance crown? You are a joke:ROTF:
09-10-2007, 06:36 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by gallag

BS, how has AMD regained the performance crown? You are a joke:ROTF:

notice the -->:D <----

:shrug: ;)
09-10-2007, 06:38 AM
[XC] gomeler

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

Sure i'm not blind , i see and read what i see and read

It's clearly that AMD has regained the performance crown, it's just a hard pill for the intel boys to swallow.

:D

Ahahahahaha! This is absolutely hilarious that you can believe such things. You really need to open your eyes and clear your head of all the propaganda that's been thrown onto the web with this product launch. K10 looks to be another R600, took forever to develop, didn't live up to the hype, and disappointed the entire enthusiast market. :shakes:
edit: as much as you'd like to say it, the enthusiast market drives the server market.. I'm an overclocker and I'm responsible for major upgrades within my department and I'm not the only one..
09-10-2007, 06:39 AM
gallag

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

notice the -->:D <----

:shrug: ;)

sorry man, that many nutters about here its hard to separate comedy from stupidity lol
09-10-2007, 06:39 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

Ahahahahaha! This is absolutely hilarious that you can believe such things. You really need to open your eyes and clear your head of all the propaganda that's been thrown onto the web with this product launch. K10 looks to be another R600, took forever to develop, didn't live up to the hype, and disappointed the entire enthusiast market. :shakes:

R600 is fitting the overclockers needs however...
it destroys nvidia in latest benches.

Btw read the post above ya ;)

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