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07-15-2007, 02:36 PM
nikhsub1

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Originally Posted by gabe

I believe so without the shadow of a doubt.

This is not just a belief it is a fact. Bowed pwns unbowed on IHS. In my test by as much as 5c or so on a 6600.
07-15-2007, 04:11 PM
generics_user

THIS THING IS GOING TO DIE IN A DESKTOP (desktop case, the ones you put onto your desk under the monitor) SYSTEM, SO KEEP IT AWAY FROM HTPCs :fact:

DDC is not supposed to run top-side down, you better add this on the swifty page ;) , in a normal ATX case the design looks good, but this thing is going to make res placing even harder...

EDIT: i killed my DDC-1 pro this way, together with my ultra-d (cpu+vga survived)
07-15-2007, 04:17 PM
rogueagent6

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Originally Posted by generics_user

THIS THING IS GOING TO DIE IN A DESKTOP (desktop case, the ones you put onto your desk under the monitor) SYSTEM, SO KEEP IT AWAY FROM HTPCs :fact:

DDC is not supposed to run top-side down, you better add this on the swifty page ;) , in a normal ATX case the design looks good, but this thing is going to make res placing even harder...

EDIT: i killed my DDC-1 pro this way, together with my ultra-d (cpu+vga survived)

Did you even read the description?

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These new parts combine the reservoir and the radiator to make an all internal two piece solution.

:rolleyes:
07-15-2007, 05:01 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by gabe

Naekuh.. read me carefully..we MEASURED.. there is no guessing game here. What I am talking about is the actual amount of heat that goes into the GPU water block. One can't argue with measuring instruments.

if NickS pops in here he will argue that as well i'm sure :rolleyes:

:)
07-15-2007, 09:44 PM
p8ntslinger676

interesting, nice little startup kit you got there gabe and im glad someone finally put out a halfway decent product to compete against that crap thermaltake has been putting out. I hope this gives you some more market share :)
07-15-2007, 10:20 PM
ranker

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Originally Posted by dinos22

if NickS pops in here he will argue that as well i'm sure :rolleyes:

:)

And Nicks contributes how to this watercooling forum? I'd trust Gabe with regards to measured heatload over someone who rarely contributes to this forum. I see no reason for Gabe to lie about this. If anything wouldn't he want to report a higher heat output so that he'd sell more radiators than would be necessary?
07-15-2007, 10:36 PM
k0nsl

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"So we added a reservoir to the existing Quiet Power MCR120 radiator"
http://swiftech.com/products/H20-120-COMPACT.asp

Gabe,

Do you know whether or not the integrated "res+rad" will come in bigger variants? This would be real nice - to not have a reservoir anymore!
07-15-2007, 10:37 PM
ranker

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Originally Posted by k0nsl

Gabe,

Do you know whether or not the integrated "res+rad" will come in bigger variants? This would be real nice - to not have a reservoir anymore!

220 model coming at end of August if I remember right. He said anything larger would require a wait and see approach.
07-15-2007, 10:45 PM
k0nsl

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Originally Posted by ranker

220 model coming at end of August if I remember right. He said anything larger would require a wait and see approach.

Hopefully a 223 model will follow. Although I already have their MCR 220 (or whatever its called, I forget) and it works well.

If a bigger model does not follow, I'll just buy the one you mentioned. Its probably enough for my uses.

:)

Nice idea, though, isn't it?
07-15-2007, 10:46 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranker

And Nicks contributes how to this watercooling forum? I'd trust Gabe with regards to measured heatload over someone who rarely contributes to this forum. I see no reason for Gabe to lie about this. If anything wouldn't he want to report a higher heat output so that he'd sell more radiators than would be necessary?

ranker
i am saying NickS is a time waster
07-15-2007, 10:51 PM
ranker

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Originally Posted by dinos22

ranker
i am saying NickS is a time waster

Lol. ok. ;)
07-15-2007, 10:52 PM
NickS

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

This is a quote frojm a reputable review.
"The GeForce 8800 GTX is obviously a very power-hungry part, as you might have guessed ... NVIDIA tells us that the TDP of the card is around the 185W mark"

I believe Marci stated that the TDP is the theoretically MAX heat load a chip can get. This is also how i got my 200W TDP off quadcores. I pluged them in a voltage calculator, and it spat out 200-220W depending on the OC of the chip.

Now, we got a graphic intensive game, which will load the cores up at 100% on both in sli.

Lets not even add up CPU temps. Now, if you blast up all the AA's and Filters, that gfx card will get loaded near 100%

So lets use a bit more conservative numbers of 170W. Times that by 2 you get 340W.

Ummm... Quad @ 200W gives you 540W for games like supreme commander with full options and settings set on max.

:\

Yes i supose it would give you "acceptable" temps. Definite within the safe zone. But for a radiator which was only ment to handle 300-400W of heat. :\ Thats a bit too much stress.

Anyhow i wont get into anymore. Its just something that brought up my concern.

I agree, your temps would be acceptable but I could see them rising very quickly when gaming or benching.

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Originally Posted by gabe

Naekuh.. read me carefully..we MEASURED.. there is no guessing game here. What I am talking about is the actual amount of heat that goes into the GPU water block. One can't argue with measuring instruments.

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Originally Posted by dinos22

if NickS pops in here he will argue that as well i'm sure :rolleyes:

:)

Now dinos22, we've had our disagreements but man, if you have a problem PM me.

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Originally Posted by ranker

And Nicks contributes how to this watercooling forum? I'd trust Gabe with regards to measured heatload over someone who rarely contributes to this forum. I see no reason for Gabe to lie about this. If anything wouldn't he want to report a higher heat output so that he'd sell more radiators than would be necessary?

I contribute. Just because I don't like your overall "in your face" and "I'm right you're wrong" attitude doesn't mean I don't contribute. That and, where did I ever say anything to Gabe about heat load. This is my first post in this thread. :confused: I believe Gabe too. If he has the right equipment necessary to gather the information & the equipment was used properly, then there is no reason there would be an error in his measurements.

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Originally Posted by dinos22

ranker
i am saying NickS is a time waster

PM me man, we obviously have some disputes that need working out.
07-16-2007, 05:55 AM
Idaho

So, I think I'm ready to dive in being I need something compact. Where can I get one in the US market right now... if not now, release date?
07-16-2007, 08:33 AM
chrisgbk

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Originally Posted by Idaho

So, I think I'm ready to dive in being I need something compact. Where can I get one in the US market right now... if not now, release date?

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Originally Posted by gabe

Oh, and one last thing: these products are not due for release today or tomorrow as stated in the Inquirer. They are due for release end of the month.

Still a bit of a wait.
07-16-2007, 09:57 AM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by generics_user

THIS THING IS GOING TO DIE IN A DESKTOP (desktop case, the ones you put onto your desk under the monitor) SYSTEM, SO KEEP IT AWAY FROM HTPCs :fact:

DDC is not supposed to run top-side down, you better add this on the swifty page ;) , in a normal ATX case the design looks good, but this thing is going to make res placing even harder...

EDIT: i killed my DDC-1 pro this way, together with my ultra-d (cpu+vga survived)

I removed the word "Desktop" to prevent any misunderstandings.

The pump CAN perfectly operate upside down, but the system needs to be bled perfectly (when bleeding upside down, an air bubble could be trapped in the bearing area and woud stay there forever unless the pump is bled right side up). So we end not recommending upside down operations to avoid problems.
07-16-2007, 10:07 AM
Waterlogged

Heh, just saw this topic as I was offline tweaking my WC a bit. I couldn't help but think of this when I saw the combo'd pump/block. That's been up for well over 1½ years IIRC.

Gabe, any chance that an old Apogee can be modded to fit the bottom of that?
07-16-2007, 10:11 AM
MrToad

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Originally Posted by gabe

sorry I forgot you had an apogee GT already. why don't you just bow the GT? The difference between a bowed GT and a bowed GTX is 1C at 100 Watts. Just figure out how many watts your processor is outputting by using our CPU temp calculator (it also gives the watts). It is extremely accurate.

Hmmm... I will have a poke around to see if I can source the relevant O-ring.

As I said before, I tend to be quite thick sometimes. Or saying it in a way that's not so derogatory, I can't see the wood for the trees.

I had the impression that the bowing business was GTX "onry". Don't ask me why because I don't have a clue where I got the idea from. One of these silly things that sticks to your mind, like "fill your rad with vinegar and leave it there for a week, is great"...
07-16-2007, 10:31 AM
gabe

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Heh, just saw this topic as I was offline tweaking my WC a bit. I couldn't help but think of this when I saw the combo'd pump/block. That's been up for well over 1½ years IIRC.

Gabe, any chance that an old Apogee can be modded to fit the bottom of that?

Sure.. This concept has been around for a while. We are not claiming the invention of the water block (public domain) nor the invention of the DDC pump (covered by multiple patents already), but a means of converting the DDC into a water-block.

Let me give you a parallel: long time ago, in a far far away galaxy, someone had invented the pencil and got a patent for it. In another galaxy, someone had invented the eraser, and got a patent for it. Then came a third person who had the idea to put an eraser on a pencil, and file a patent for it, but the patent application was rejected by the US patent office.

Anyways, the revolution in our mind is the fact that we are combining two high-end technologies, the DDC and the Apogee, to provide high-end performance in an economical package.

As to conversion, sorry but it is not possible mechanically.
07-16-2007, 10:49 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

Sure.. This concept has been around for a while. We are not claiming the invention of the water block (public domain) nor the invention of the DDC pump (covered by multiple patents already), but a means of converting the DDC into a water-block.

Let me give you a parallel: long time ago, in a far far away galaxy, someone had invented the pencil and got a patent for it. In another galaxy, someone had invented the eraser, and got a patent for it. Then came a third person who had the idea to put an eraser on a pencil, and file a patent for it, but the patent application was rejected by the US patent office.

Anyways, the revolution in our mind is the fact that we are combining two high-end technologies, the DDC and the Apogee, to provide high-end performance in an economical package..

Sorry, didn't mean to imply anything of the sort. I just thought it was neat someone had finally followed through commercially on the concept. As much as I like my CSP's, I like my DDC's even better.

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Originally Posted by gabe

As to conversion, sorry but it is not possible mechanically.

...again I think there's a misunderstanding. I meant with your setup, not the CSP...or is there a difference between the Apogee bases for your setup and a regular block?
07-28-2007, 11:40 AM
idiotekniQues

what if you want to mount this outside, is that an option?

or gabe, on page 1 you said you put this in your p180. my p180 is pretty full, where could the radiator fit?

and i am talkin about the 220 size not the 120.

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