Official HD 2900 Discussion Thread

You know, an established company simply not being able to compete with its initial release is not out of the realm of possibility.

It kinda happened with the first R500 even though it competition was almost a phantom product(7800GTX 512) and its happening right now with AMD high-end CPU lineup. The worse example was NV30 fx disaster.

GDD4 has been out for far too long to pin it as the cause(the memory itself and not it setup I mean), but another couple months to iron it out and they should be back on their feet. The XT should eat some GTS sales for sure anyways.

I hope this isnt a sign of things to come with K10 :nono:

I dont see how AMD can survive if they fail in BOTH GFX and CPUs :eek:

If these scores are real, it is time to say last Good Bye to AMD/ATi ...

Owned :D

Even the No 1 ATI Fansite writes.


R600XT to compete 8800 GTS only


ATI officially confirmed


ATI said in front of 150+ journalists that R600XT won't be able to compete with Geforce 8800 GTX. The dream is dead and Radeon HD 2900 XT won't be able to catch up with a six month old Geforce 8800 GTX.

ATI said that R600XT, Radeon HD 2900XT is about the performance of 8800 GTS. Radeon HD 2900 XTX won't be launched at mid may and will be delayed to Q3 2007. We already wrote about this here.

The dream that AMD can do something and return as the high end market leader s gone. R600 rails against G80. Congratulations on Nvidia.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=703&Itemid=1

this doesnt make any sense, why would the gddr4 version be slower than the lower clocked gddr3 version?

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Originally Posted by Gorgul

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=703&Itemid=1

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I guarantee Faud had tears streaming down his face as he wrote that :rofl:

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Originally Posted by m0da

Ouch...
what can amd do now?
i hope that $2.2bil is going into bringing blazing dx10.2 cards out in the next 6 months.
yea, in the next 6 months.
Sorry amd stockholders >>

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make it work better, what else would you expect?

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Originally Posted by saaya

this doesnt make any sense, why would the gddr4 version be slower than the lower clocked gddr3 version?

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Could be latency issues. Also if so, then the 512bit bus is overkill. Since its not BW limited.

Mann... how sad. Even if the 8800GTX was overclocked and the drivers were premature, the gap in performance is still large. A stock 8800GTX with bad drivers was still way more impressive than the ATI card will be.

Yeah, Im wondering how it could test LOWER in 2 tests when its got a faster core and memory speeds....

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Originally Posted by KoHaN69

I blame Canada, it's not a real country anyway!

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Per chance we don't have weapons of mass destruction....

Confirmed....?? http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=703&Itemid=1

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Originally Posted by NightCrawler™

Confirmed....?? http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=703&Itemid=1

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Well well well, Fraud the blind squirell finally found his nut...:p:

good bye ati..

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Originally Posted by noobzed

good bye ati..

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y?

did Nvidia die after the FX disaster? no.
alot of people here are way to pessimistic about this.

i am no fan of ATi but its unlikely that AMD had alot of influence in the design of the R600 cause when AMD bought ATi the R600 was almost finished.
Its Likely that AMD will have alot more influence in the design of the R700 so my expectations ofit are high so lets just hope that the r700 will do wel vs the card that Nvidia puts against it.


further this is just the high-end there are various other markets were there is more profit to be made.
So lets just hope that the HD 2600 will fare wel vs the geforce 8600.

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Originally Posted by noobzed

good bye ati..

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I wouldn't say that but AMD/ATi is in a whole range of trouble now....
The only thing nVidia has to do now is lower their prices just like Intel did and hurt them where it hurts most... AMD/ATi cannot follow simply because there's not much room to compete with price wise... so they better give their R&D department a serious whooping and come up with something good...

Lol,why are some of you are saying good bye ATI :) they have other markets and for now we only know that High-End may suck mid-end looks kinda nice and mainstream/low-end is still a mystery,Nvidia had also a rough tme with the FX series but it didn't diseppeared....

Damn they beat me to it :)

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Originally Posted by Tim

No it's not, it's 80nm! :slap:

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again, first samples are build on the 80nm, 2900xtx will not hit the retail market in may and will be build and released on the 65nm with way higher clocks later on.

and yes the gtx and ultra perform better, if they beat the 8800gts and any lower product price/performance wise they will be better of....

watch the retail prices when the full range hits the stores, nvidia will look really green :)

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Originally Posted by NightCrawler™

I wouldn't say that but AMD/ATi is in a whole range of trouble now....
The only thing nVidia has to do now is lower their prices just like Intel did and hurt them where it hurts most... AMD/ATi cannot follow simply because there's not much room to compete with price wise... so they better give their R&D department a serious whooping and come up with something good...

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my guess is that seing AMD cant compete in the high-end on performence theyl try to compete on price.

Profit margins will suck but it can work.

Nvidia did the same witht he fx 5900. that card sucked compaired ot the 9800 but it was also cheaper.
Dito for the Geforce 6800GT, it wasnt the fastest card around but it was cheaper so sold very wel.

@duploxxx
y would Nvidia look green?
as ive said ATis best bet is to compete on price but Nvidia has the same option.

Nvidias advantage is that their cards have been out for months.
And those cards have been selling grt without competition. So ims hure that Nvidia has more then enough room to lower the price. AMD ont he other hand stil has to release their cards and has had alot of costs due to delays etc wich they want to get back.
the only question is will Nvidia follow in a pricing war? Cause with the geforce 7 series they were often very slow to follow ATi with price drops.

So Nvidia has the room and the money to make price drops with the 8800s but their recent history with such things hasnt been to good.

Doesn't really understand why kill ATI. For this generation seems 8800GTX is the king but if ATI sell HD 2900XT at a good price and if HD 2600 and HD 2400 don't suck they might get their money. Best move if Nvidia can is to math HD 2900XT price with 8800GTX but i don"t knows if they can.

They're already price competing on the CPU market... I seriously doubt they can pull another one off on the GPU market... The CPU price war is already bringing them to their knees....

AMD better get its act together soon :slap:
The good thing for them though is nvidia's midrange isn't all that great, so if AMD can pull off good midrange cards that would be good.
But they had better get things right on K10.

This isn't the end of AMD though. nVidia had it a bit rough with that FX series of theirs when the 9700/9800 was whooping them, but they survived. AMD had an inferior CPU for years compared to intel but they survived and eventually on-upped intel for 3 solid years. So maybe intel is the king CPU maker again, and nvidia is the top dog for the gfx department. So? Do you expect anything else than for all the companies to have their low times?

@Brother Esau, what is your problem with ATI drivers? Aside from one or two versions most of them have been fine from 6.5 on. Only one good set of drivers? I think it must be user error ;)

Here's hoping that their mid-range cards are way better than the pathetic 8600's. This is a disappointment for sure but won't affect my next upgrade very much.