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getting used to it with IC7 ;)Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
This mobo has a problem with the reset and Prometeia if anybody wants to know:D
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I am curious about what kind of FSB you can do at what timings and such (if the BIOS offers a bit more than just 2-5-2-2 anyway)
I still havent found any board that'll do 285+ at 5/4 :(
But I guess with your multiplier you wont get to 285 damnit ;)
so you are saying same fsb the asus and the MSI 875 are equal, and when set to 272, they are slower than the MSI at 274?Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I need that bios for the v-core, I'm stuck at 372x15, I think I'll be able to overclock the chip higher then the MSI. I'll need it, sofar the 3D scores are about the same pound for pound and at 272 they're lower then at 274 MSI.
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I get the same memory overclock on this mobo as the MSI, It's topping out at around 235, must be my memory. 2-5-2-2 is as low as it goes by the way :)Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
getting used to it with IC7 ;)
I am curious about what kind of FSB you can do at what timings and such (if the BIOS offers a bit more than just 2-5-2-2 anyway)
I still havent found any board that'll do 285+ at 5/4 :(
But I guess with your multiplier you wont get to 285 damnit ;)
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why don't u back off on the mem timings opp. Seems the 875's don't take hardly any hit with the relax'd timings. Does the p4p800 drop alot or is the bios not allowing the timing changes?
I'm saying that say at 270 for both mobos they are about the same. I'm saying that I can only do 272 so of corse the MSI at 274 is faster.Quote:
Originally posted by deeznuts
so you are saying same fsb the asus and the MSI 875 are equal, and when set to 272, they are slower than the MSI at 274?
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I've used 2.5-4-4-8 same difference. I just rememberd though that I have only 2.8V so I may be able to do more memory with some voltage.Quote:
Originally posted by JNav89GT
why don't u back off on the mem timings opp. Seems the 875's don't take hardly any hit with the relax'd timings. Does the p4p800 drop alot or is the bios not allowing the timing changes?
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I scrapped the Asus P4C800 early. Mine didnt work with reset as well.
can someone explain how I would run this board with my prommy then with this board assuming mine works well I might wish to swap out my 8RDA+ for this board. This reset issue seems to plague most 875/865 boards. What is the workaround?
Have you done a mem mod on your mobo Fugger?Quote:
Originally posted by FUGGER
I scrapped the Asus P4C800 early. Mine didnt work with reset as well.
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I've been unplugging the reset plug, then I put a jumper on the reset pins and short it out untill I reach a good temp on the prometeia, then I just pull the jumper off.Quote:
Originally posted by JNav89GT
can someone explain how I would run this board with my prommy then with this board assuming mine works well I might wish to swap out my 8RDA+ for this board. This reset issue seems to plague most 875/865 boards. What is the workaround?
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Heres the 1006 bios
http://mapage.noos.fr/bandamor/bios/p4p81006.zip
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oh i get it
so jumper the cable coming from the prometia unit until down to say -33c or so then unplug the jumper, that isn't too bad
thanks OPP
sounds like this is the board to get
a vdimm mod would be all that is needed I think to make this the uber board, at least until some fatal Asus bug is found :rolleyes:
have u tested that bios
I would be interested to know performance differences if any there are between shipping and this new bios. To make sure there isn't a decline anyway. Also, does the increased vcore work and what about vdimm(still the same)
appreciate all your feedback OPP
I just stuck it in, I dought it has better performance, it does have more v-core so I'm going to see what this will do. Just getting started:D
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Ok...because THAT's the really big question.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I'm saying that say at 270 for both mobos they are about the same. I'm saying that I can only do 272 so of corse the MSI at 274 is faster.
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The buzz on this board is there because, in all the reviews, this lowly Springdale board is BEATING every 875P motherboard out there at STOCK speeds. Even Asus's own 875P.
Obviously, this doesn't make a lick of sense.
What I'd like to know (and I imagine, quite a few of us), is if the board holds up when overclocking.
If you could, please, let us know how the two board compare at stock speeds....I'd like to see if your own results match up with those around the web. Then, if possible, a moderate overclock (perhaps both at 250 5:4, equal timings), and then a high overclock.
In essence, if the board IS proving to be faster at stock speeds (even for you), but then reverting back to normal Springdale behavior (i.e. slightly slower than 875P) when overclocked....then they're obviously doing SOMETHING freaky at stock speeds.
Pretty important, really...if the board doesn't hold those same advantages it has at stock when overclocking, it might be a big waste of money, being it's the same price as an IC7 875P.
You input is HIGHLY appreciated.
Zroc
I think that one thing ASUS does is use really tight timings at stock speeds. They couldnt hold up under overclocking, hence they automatically slow down to normal levels (well, 875 levels, so still pretty good) when overclocked
Not staying in Reset (like IC7) or not comming out of it (like P4C)?Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
This mobo has a problem with the reset and Prometeia if anybody wants to know:D
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With or without powerconditioner?
I didnt do the mem mod, I had too many other problems like the poor IDE performance with RAID 0 and you will find pulling the reset doesnt always work as planned. I wound up pulling the power conditioner if I had to reset a lot.
The P4C800 will "NO CPU INSTALLED, NO CPU INSTALLED" when the reset is held too long.
My IC7 works correctly.
What I'm saying is, the Asus 865 is beating every other 865 by a wide margin, AND every 875P, at stock speeds...and at dead equal 2/5/2/2 timings:Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
Zroc
I think that one thing ASUS does is use really tight timings at stock speeds. They couldnt hold up under overclocking, hence they automatically slow down to normal levels (well, 875 levels, so still pretty good) when overclocked
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2003/othe...ut/865pe-5.htm
I mean, it's not even close, compared to other 865's, and 200 points is actually a LOT for the Asus 865 to be beating the Asus 875P at stock speeds! I mean, this thing is 800 points faster than any other Sprindale?!?
If those stock results don't hold up for OPP at equal timings as well...I'd call some of this web info BS.
The main thing is, if this board ends up being SLOWER than his 875P at the same timings when overclocked...then Asus is simply doing something really screwy at stock speeds.
Again, what I'm trying to NOT let happen is...people buying this board, expecting it to be FASTER than every 875P out there, even when overclocked. Because if those huge advantages at stock speeds don't hold up when overclocked, a lot of people expecting it to will be pissed off, ya know?
on the other hand, it makes a lot of sense to maximize performance at stock speeds...... 90% of buyers will run stock, doing them a big favour. And from the looks of it, when overclocked the P4P is on par with the P4C .... also not bad
When you hit the power switch the reset doesn't stop the system from starting. It goes right to post, no hold.Quote:
Originally posted by Entuscan
Not staying in Reset (like IC7) or not comming out of it (like P4C)?
With or without powerconditioner?
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As far as 3D03 the MSI seems to be stronger. I havn't done a clean install of Windows with this mobo yet so I may make up a few points.
MSI at 275 = 6158
Asus at 275 = 6144
On the bright side I'm 3D proofed at 276 = 6148
I still think I go farther with the CPU, feels solid.
This is only with 3D03, It may kick booty with 2001, we'll see.
By the way, what is my memory running at 276 5:4 divider :D
I missed that day in school when we did that math :D
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221 MHz ;)
Thats it?? I thought it was in the 230 range.Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
221 MHz ;)
This is a great overclocker, Im at 277 3D proofed. The scores in both 2001 and 03 still seem less the my MSI at 275.
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