NF7's new beat bios available...

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Originally posted by MrLavender
But the NF7-S doesn't read the internal diode does it? That's why I'm expecting the temps to be about the same as my KX7 using the in-socket sensor...

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I never said it uses the internal diode. But it uses an in socket sensor that I made sure was pressed right up the backside of the CPU. So it should be reading fairly accurate temps.

Now I tested this against the Epox 8RDA+ which has a sensor in embedded in the board, miles away from the back of the CPU, so how do you expect it to give accurate temps? It will be reading in socket air temps, NOT the temps from the CPU, so it's bound to be low, the socket isn't air tight!!! I can also say that by using my highly sensitive hand that when the Epox board says 50C, the CPU heatsink is way hotter than 50C! Yet my on the Abit board the temps feel about right.

Anyway, like I said, I used 2 sensors from my DigiDoc 5 and used a thermally controlled Fan to get an idea of CPU temps, I had all 3 sensors placed right next to the CPU core, topside. I found the Abit NF7-S was about bang on, usualy 1 to 2C higher. But the 8RDA+ was reading 10C too low. I just got annoyed hearing people say the 8RDA+ was accurate and the NF7-S wasn't.

Put it like this, if we did use internal diode temps they would be 10C~ higher than most in socket sensors, but the NF7-S is an exception due to the fact you can get the sensor to touch the CPU rather than just reading the air temps in the socket.

Now Abit have ruined this by reducing the temp readings in the BIOS because too many idiots complained.

Look what happened to Epox and their 8k3A, it read from the internal diode of the CPU and obviously read more accurate temps than any in socket sensor. But as they were higher, as expected, some idiots complained to Epox so much, and gave them so much hassle that they went back to inaccurate in socket sensors. Holst(A Epox tech) of AOAForums confirmed this.

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This bios sucks....I have seen no real improvment.The only thing I have seen is that my CPU temp wen't way down and that on bootup it will sometimes report wrong memory speeds and cpu speeds like with what I got now (230x11) it shows that the memory speed is 558mhz dual channel...

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Originally posted by Walrusbonzo
Put it like this, if we did use internal diode temps they would be 10C~ higher than most in socket sensors, but the NF7-S is an exception due to the fact you can get the sensor to touch the CPU rather than just reading the air temps in the socket.[/URL]

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The KX7-333 uses exactly the same sensor arrangement that can be bent up to touch the cpu. And my temps are now the same as I got with that. Even touching the back of the cpu temps are still going to be lower than the on-die diode, the substrate is not a good heat conductor.

With my KX7 I knew that anything over 50C was getting hotter than I wanted, that's why the NF7 temps seemed high to me, even idle temps were well over 40C. I always thought that ABit just bumped up the temps so they compared with boards that were using the XP diode (or being more cynical, to make it look like they were using the diode...).

I've seen other ppl comparing the reported temps to a sensor placed next to the cpu die and saying that the old ones were too high. Your mileage may vary...

In the end you either like the lower reported temps or you don't, no point arguing about it. Just add on 10C like I used to subtract it from the old reading. ;)

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Originally posted by Method Man
This bios sucks....I have seen no real improvment...

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really? this BETA bios wasn't design to improve things but rather fix things.
The fix to SATA data corruption alone it's worth flashing this BETA bios.

Snoodge, I have some hyperX 256mb pc3500 and now in dual channel i am able to go to 210(420) while before i was only able to go to 185. My roomate was able to take the same sticks to 460 dual channel. Maybe with a little more tinkering i can get higher. I only messed with it for about 5 minute and had to leave for the weekend. I will be going home soon to tinker somemore.

Until i can hit 450 dual channel or higher i am sticking to a single stick which runs great at 490.

I knew it!!! I knew that as soon as I RMA'd my HyperX something would happen that would make it run just fine... this is such nonsense...

arghhhhhhh...

well... XMS 3500 couldnt hurt me could it... shouldnt be a problem...

...72 hours so far and raid1 is problem free. The SATA issue was my only issue with the board.

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Originally posted by sequoia464
...72 hours so far and raid1 is problem free. The SATA issue was my only issue with the board.

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As Homer would say....."WoooooHoooooo" :toast:

That is real good to hear.

Just curious, those using the SATA interface for stand alone drives, have nothing to worry about when not using this BIOS?

I've recently gone to an NF7-S 1.2, and purchased a 1200JB. I have setup both using the SATA interface/IDE -> SATA adaptor.

Bravo,

According to reports on other forums, single drives are not immune to corruption but it's harder to detect.
In my case, I never had corruption either way (single or raid). I even tried really hard to make it happened just for testing purposes to no avail.

I Flashed this beta bios but I Cant boot, am I´m doing something Wrong?: I get past the cpu and DDR speeds screen then it goes blank, flashed 1.2 back and everything it´s ok now

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Originally posted by Bravo
Just curious, those using the SATA interface for stand alone drives, have nothing to worry about when not using this BIOS?

I've recently gone to an NF7-S 1.2, and purchased a 1200JB. I have setup both using the SATA interface/IDE -> SATA adaptor.

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I've been running my 1.2 + single 800JB on SATA for about 3 months now with no corruption problems (with the .28 SiI3112 driver). My only complaint is that either the SATA cable or the convertor is a POS in terms of connection reliability, I've lost count of the number of times that it has failed to see the drive on boot and the only way to fix that is to take the side off the case and jiggle the connector around a bit. :rolleyes:

Like EQuito says though I have seen reports of problems even with single drives, just hasn't happened to me. Although I would be willing to bet that at least some of those problems could be put down to too tight ram timings...ppl do get corruption on IDE too for that very reason.

had regular corruption with my single 800jb when i was using the sata adapter on my nf7-s 2.0. eventually worked out it was probably the sata and not my overclock attempts. putit on the ide and havent had a single corruption since.

shame it gave me several bad sectors on my new drive before i noticed it.

how do i flash it?
do i put all files in to a floppy disc and make a botable dos dics? then what?

Yes, then boot into DOS and type runme.

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Originally posted by twiggy
Yes, then boot into DOS and type runme.

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thx :cool:

ok i have flashed it now :D now i will go play with it

It's advertised to get there, so no. STARTS DREAMING.......... ;)

Calcu

i dont like this bios, the original bios allowed higher fsb :( , btw can anyone recommend a good bios for abit nf7-s v1.2

Is it only this beta bios that allows fsb adjustments in 1mhz increments??? I hate the 245 to 250 jump....not too mention the others also.. Just wondering if there was an official bios that allowed this...

;)

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Originally posted by Lunatic
i dont like this bios, the original bios allowed higher fsb :( , btw can anyone recommend a good bios for abit nf7-s v1.2

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I was running the 16 bios before flashing this one, that worked very well for me (as does the 19beta).

Guess I'll have to learn the NF7 bios's now............ considering I just ordered 1 and an 1800 DLT3..........:D :banana:

Should have some fun next week :D

Needed to try something else for some fun.:)

Unfortunately I have a TP480.
It runs well, but no adjustable rails, and haven't seen a mod for it yet........ I was hoping that with the TrueControl out now we may have been able to spot the differences between them, but I haven't seen anything as of yet.

May be fine as it is, we'll see though... and if not, well I may just have to get another......
Still trying to save some Mad Money for a prommy too :D

:D

I do have a 156W pelt for the northy if needed though.......:D

Bios 14 is now official: Download ;)