I agree that the R600 will beat the G80, it's more-so a matter of when it'll come out, and how long is it before the G81.
It'd be suicide to release a card after the 8800GTX and not beat the performance of the 8800GTX.
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I agree that the R600 will beat the G80, it's more-so a matter of when it'll come out, and how long is it before the G81.
It'd be suicide to release a card after the 8800GTX and not beat the performance of the 8800GTX.
IT maybe that some of the info from Hexus has a grain of truth but in being posted in hot and steamy Taiwan has been corrupted. For instance he might have meant to say 1Ghz gpu , half the speed of the memory ..or maybe they were told 2Ghz and that is the shader speed a la G80 stylee.
Rather than taken verbatim just get a general feel and that is Feb/Mar timeframe for something that is very fast but also needs a lot of juice and possibly has had to resort to more expensive cooling techniques. Of course when you rationalise it like that then you do not have a lot more than you have now :).
No doubt G81 is being prep'd as quickly as nvidia can. If nvidia go to 80nm then they may well decide to forgoe the ultimate speed king crown and instead go for bang per buck. That would suit me fine a cheaper card. Pipedream ? Maybe. Or maybe they will greedily keep their margins.
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Andy
We also heard rumors of the 8800GTX requiring 1kW PSUs and 72A on the 12V rail (I'm exaggerating a bit, bear with me), external 300 watt VGA PSUs, and so forth, but those rumors never materialized. The big power consumption scare was nothing more than just that--a scare. I'm thinking the same will be true of R600. And after the success of G80, I don't think ATI would let a card go public if it didn't run at reasonable temps on an air cooler, and they definitely wouldn't put something out there that took substantially more power than G80 parts.
Besides, everyone remembers that 8800GTX prototype that had a hybrid air cooler with barbs for a water cooling setup. That never materialized, either. I mean, I'd rather wait longer for a better card than have a hot running, power hungry, inefficient R600 part before Christmas.
the card must have air cooling, water is insane and to think of something more advanced? TEC? that isnt that great and it will add to power consumption
Remember the golden rule...
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
RD600, R600, Brisbane, 'Quadfather', K8L are/will be shining examples.
what's that make conroe? the 6th?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
consider the sheer volume though... if the fabrication technology was out to mass produce Xenos a year, year and a half ago, then it's not that huge of a leap to launch R600, atleast not as big of a leap as it was for nVidia to g80...Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Yeah, maybe Hexass got poorly translated info from some Chinese site ..and that Chinese site poory translated info from and American AMD(ATI) engineer. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
English translation from a Chinese translation from an English translation right from the horses mouth.
:p:Quote:
"R600 core speed half transister speed. only twice doubled, 2Ghz much less more half 1Ghz target speed in Feb may come. and some ROPe"
R600 is on target for Q1, and that target was set five months ago!
It´s not going to beat it, it will be more than that, it should have an amazing difference. But what about G81? GGDR4 + speedbump (lets say best case scenario 700Mhz @ 80nm), I think R600 can still beat that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
I know people (game devs.) who already have early R600 samples and are just impressed about it´s performance.
The thing about that is you really could have just got a G80 close to launch for around $600 and easily sell it in 4 months for $450 in February or March. Thats less than $40/mo for using a G80 while waiting on R600. Maybe $25-$30/mo if you wait for widely available R600 ;) Well worth it if you had an older card.
If AMD can play the R600 launch well...as in, launch it as an AMD product instead of an ATI product...then it doesn't matter if it launches summer 07...it'll still stun the market.
If we see this in march as an ATI product, then AMD is screwed. It's all about marketing for the first new AMD/ATI product launch. Think about it. Sapphire, Powercolor, HIS, Connect3D ... are all about to become AMD product resellers, no longer ATI resellers...and I imagine they'll wait for that privelege.
Perkam
Lol. Seriously that would be REALLY bad to wait until summer. Pretty good for Nvidia though.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I don't see R600 being launched as an ATI product as screwing AMD. I don't think it would make that much of a difference really. But then I don't know all this marketing stuff.
what I would like to see is some 65nm GPUs soon
you'll see some in midle 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Yep, low-end and midrange most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
http://img.hexus.net/v2/news/newslogos/ati.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
AMD is sticking with ATi name for thier Graphics Division
But i am guessing AMD will take care of ATi and if they need to provide some chip design tech which can help R6XX,(Notice i am not saying R600 becouse that card probably dosnt exist), consume less power. Also lets not forget that AMD will keep ATi's staff sticking to thier promises and you WILL see R6XX based cards released in Q1 of 2007, the timeline that was always set by ATi due to Vista.
Naming wise i am thinking we might see something like this
ATi Radeon 680X (Chip equivalent to X1800XT, dunno if AMD might want to add another letter if there is a XTX equivalent)
ATi Radeon 680L (Chip equivalent to X1800XL)
then offcrouse later on 680G for maybe GTO versions.
Now let me explain. I got the 6 from the codename R6XX then the 80 i got from the other two digits of the codename. The last letter comes from the recent naming scheme of the AMD chipsets found on the link below. As they use the letter X for the top performing chipset, or the one with the Crossfire support it would seem logical for them to use it with Radeon model number.
Offcourse some might say when RD600 and RD700 chipsets come out they might start mixing up in the models with the R600 and R700, well no not really. Becouse AMD is using its AMD brand for the Chipsets "AMD 580X" and then for graphics cards they will be using the ATi and Radeon brands which will produce the names like this, for example if they renamed X190XT it would be "ATi Radeon 580X".
Anyway i see two sides in this thread those that belive that ATi will screw up with R600 and that thier G80 will be safe and the second side are those that are waiting for R600 and dont want it to go wrong.
Bost sides seem emotional, one gets angry when bad news are posted and other when over exagereated specs are posted. Either way Radeon 680X will be faster then 8800GTX and it will come out just in time for Vista, and it will have air cooling with slimilar power consumption as 8800GTX. How do i know this, well becouse THAT is what makes the most sence of it all, as you gota remember companies are in it to make money.
Links:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_135...l?redir=ATCI20
ATI will have full lineup of DX10 GPU's for the lounch
Fact is, none of you know :banana::banana::banana::banana: all.
The only people that do are ATI themselves.
Stupid rumours, by idiots and stupid websites= lame.
You know this, because you are who exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
Board partners and game devs have them, trust me on that one.Quote:
Fact is, none of you know :banana::banana::banana::banana: all.
The only people that do are ATI themselves.
Stupid rumours, by idiots and stupid websites= lame.
A midrange 65nm R600 would be nice to have in 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Only guy in this thread that actually KNOW something and has showed plenty of times that he just dont go by rumours posted on other sites is Metro.cl.
He problaly know alot more many times but cant say it.
He and Tony and some others are the sources i take for thruth and not like the other 95% wannaknowbest.
But i still read The inq for some news and really dont care if its correct as long as it has some info to swallow cuz most times their news is a hint for what to come and expect from hardware.
8800GTX 575MHz/1800MHz 384bit 768MB GDDR3 memory banwidth 86.4GB/s
(MADD(2flops) + MUL(1flop)) × 1,350 MHz × 128 SPs ＝ 518.4G Flops
R600(X2800XT?) 800MHz/2500MHz 512bit 1024MB GDDR4 memory banwidth 160GB/s
4way× (MADD(2flops) + MUL(1flop))× 800 MHz × 64 SPs ＝ 614.4GFlops
R600, codename: Pele (the Brazilian footballplayer)
True 512-bit memoryinterface (Nvidia G80 = 384-bit)
1024 MB GDDR4 mem (1.25Ghz), bandwidth 160GB/s (G80 = 86GB/s)
80nm
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:o... If the memory bandwitdh is that high then I think I may just have to sell my kidney.Quote:
Originally Posted by milkcafe