Twins - 640MB Gainward Bliss 8800GTS Dual DVI (G80 series)

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11-27-2006, 06:04 AM
Rudyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

i used ATI Tool beta 16 pre8.. try lowering mem clock for higher GPU clock until you find the right balance :)

Thanks, which one matters the most? Having higher Core or higher memory? :)
11-27-2006, 06:08 AM
eva2000

tranceaddict i used my gainward expert tool to set fan speed

Rudyn, depends you really need to test each combo for best results to find the balance between gpu and mem
11-27-2006, 08:34 AM
cantankerous

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranceaddict

So is there anyway to make the OCs and fan speed stick after each reboot. I heard that there is a way to make coolbits work with the 8800 series through a NVTray hack.

Correct, use 97.02 drivers, install the coolbits registry entry. Then install latest NVTray. Upon loading NVtray select to use the old control panel. This will allow you change clocks on the 8800 via control panel on the new drivers for the 8800. You can select clocks to stick on reboot however fan settings still do not work. Use Expertool for that as you can have that program stick the fan speeds on reboot. If you use NVtray with the old control panel you will lose the functionality of the new Coverage based AA. To remedy this you must now install Ntune JUST for the purpose of changing the new AA modes. Pain in the ass I know having all three programs installed but it works apparently. Yes I know, I haven't tried it, just sharing with you what I learned from reading around.

BTW, new Rivatuner 16.2 is out which supposedly has full 8800 support give that a try. New 97.28 drivers for the 8800 are also out for your testing pleasure. Good luck!
11-27-2006, 12:39 PM
tranceaddict

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

Correct, use 97.02 drivers, install the coolbits registry entry. Then install latest NVTray. Upon loading NVtray select to use the old control panel. This will allow you change clocks on the 8800 via control panel on the new drivers for the 8800. You can select clocks to stick on reboot however fan settings still do not work. Use Expertool for that as you can have that program stick the fan speeds on reboot. If you use NVtray with the old control panel you will lose the functionality of the new Coverage based AA. To remedy this you must now install Ntune JUST for the purpose of changing the new AA modes. Pain in the ass I know having all three programs installed but it works apparently. Yes I know, I haven't tried it, just sharing with you what I learned from reading around.

BTW, new Rivatuner 16.2 is out which supposedly has full 8800 support give that a try. New 97.28 drivers for the 8800 are also out for your testing pleasure. Good luck!

Thanks a lot for a that info. I have been waiting a long time for both the new Nvida drivers as well as Rivatuner 16.2. BTW, can you please post a link to Rivatuner 16.2, as I can't find it anywhere. Thanks
11-27-2006, 03:48 PM
cantankerous

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranceaddict

Thanks a lot for a that info. I have been waiting a long time for both the new Nvida drivers as well as Rivatuner 16.2. BTW, can you please post a link to Rivatuner 16.2, as I can't find it anywhere. Thanks

njoi!

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download...7b9127221cea80
11-27-2006, 04:42 PM
eva2000

Yeah can confirm Rivatuner 16RC2 works on 8800GTS

trying 97.02 drivers right now

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...0_19630_tn.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...0_32888_tn.png
11-28-2006, 02:39 AM
Naughtyboy

Yeah...I would strongly recommend the new Rivatuner...works perfect. An the working fancontroler is very nice.

This is all on air with an ambient temp at about 20C.

GPU - 666mhz
GDDR - 2096mhz
http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/...fa528ec000.jpg
11-28-2006, 05:34 AM
cantankerous

I take it all settings stick after reboot?
11-28-2006, 11:40 AM
Naughtyboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

I take it all settings stick after reboot?

Yepp...it sure does.
11-28-2006, 12:13 PM
tranceaddict

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naughtyboy

Yepp...it sure does.

That is good to know, what a relief.
12-01-2006, 06:08 AM
eva2000
Well had to dust off old DFI NF4 Ultra-D for SLI since no SLI core2 board here yet heh.

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...finity_002.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...finity_006.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...finity_008.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...finity_011.jpg

System:
- FX-60 CCB2E 0536RPMW
- Scythe Infinity + Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm fan
- DFI NF4 Ultra-D R.AD0 0406 Bios (SLI modded)
- 1x/2x 640MB Gainward Bliss 8800GTS Dual DVI
- 2GB OCZ PC4000EB 3-3-2-8
- 160GB Seagate 7200.7 SATAII NCQ
- Pioneer DVD-RW
- 600W OCZ EvoStream Modular
FX-60 stock speeds
8800GTS SLI @650/2010

3dmark06
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_Ul...5_10256_tn.png

3dmark05
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_Ul...0_14785_tn.png

3dmark2003 @635/2010
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_Ul...0_46581_tn.png

FX-60 @3006Mhz
8800GTS SLI @650/2010

3dmark06
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_Ul...0_11739_tn.png

3dmark05
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_Ul...0_17340_tn.png

3dmark2003 @625/1950
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_Ul...0_48108_tn.png

Guess even 3dmark05 is cpu limited here :)
12-01-2006, 11:41 AM
Blacklash

Here's some feedback with a OCed GTX and E6600 stock and OC. I used nTune to OC.

E6600 @ 3716MHz Single 8800GTX @ 644|1020 = 12493

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2...637agm2.th.jpg

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=695297

E6600 @ 3404MHz Single 8800GTX 644|1020 = 12226
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/3...0634rs4.th.jpg

E6600 @ 2403MHz Single 8800GTX 644|1020 = 10668
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/2...0624ok9.th.jpg

The SM 2|3 scores do not increase from 3.4GHz-3.6GHz, they do from 2.4GHz to 3.4GHz. For example, 430+ points are gained in SM 2.0 performance from 2.4-3.4. Not a huge deal and nice to see a fast CPU does actually impact performance of the card when its clock remains the same.
12-01-2006, 10:36 PM
BlaqMale

is it just me or os gts sli not worth over single gtx?
(based on last 2 post and dx9)
12-02-2006, 12:14 AM
eva2000

no... remember 8800GTS SLI results above are cpu limited by FX-60.. core2 cpu would show much higher performance for 8800GTS SLI probably 4-5k extra in 3dmark06 compared with FX-60 so 15.5k 3dmark06 vs 11.7k 3dmark06 for 8800GTS SLI :)
12-02-2006, 02:01 AM
prosk8

wow cool card
12-02-2006, 02:10 AM
eva2000
thanks

Seems like alot of the recommended SLI power supply specs are specified for 8800GTX SLI and not many are clear for 8800GTS SLI so time for some Power-mate power draw measurements with 8800GTS SLI installed to see what really is being consumed wattage wise :)

AFAIK, 8800GTS SLI has same or similar power requirements as 7950GX2 video card ?

As you can see for single PCI-E spaced DFI NF4 Ultra-D, having 2x 8800GTS SLI just fits :)

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...TS_SLI_003.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...TS_SLI_006.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...TS_SLI_009.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...TS_SLI_011.jpg

FX-60 stock with 8800GTS SLI stock windows start up system power draw = 277.3 Watts.
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...TS_SLI_013.jpg

System:
- FX-60 CCB2E 0536RPMW
- Scythe Infinity + Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm fan
- DFI NF4 Ultra-D R.AD0 0406 Bios (SLI modded)
- 2x 640MB Gainward Bliss 8800GTS Dual DVI with Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm 0.33A fan on top
- 2GB OCZ PC4000EB 3-3-2-8 with 120x25mm Delta 75cfm 0.4A fan
- 160GB Seagate 7200.7 SATAII NCQ
- Gigabyte I-RAM with 1.5GB Kingston KHX3200 Winbond BH-5
- Pioneer DVD-RW
- 600W OCZ EvoStream Modular
Power-Mate Peak power draw measurements

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@2612Mhz - 13x200HTT at 1.35v bios (1.312v)

8800GTS SLI @513/1584 stock
PC/Windows start up = 277.3W (1.286A)
Stressprime Orthos Small FFTs = 297.4W (1.314A)
3Dmark06 = 370.9W (1.629A)
PCMark05 = 322.4W (1.426A)

8800GTS SLI @650/2010
Stressprime Orthos Small FFTs = 307.1W (1.388A)
3Dmark06 = 408.9W* (1.842A) (DMM measured +12v rail min/max/average = 12.22v/12.23v/12.228v)
PCMark05 = 354.1W (1.555A)

* Seems 3Dmark06's HDR/SM3.0 HDR1 test - Canyon test draws the most system power draw in 8800GTS SLI config. While rest of time 3Dmark06 fluctuated between 340-390W system power draw.

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@3006Mhz - 9x334HTT at 1.45v bios (1.408v)

8800GTS SLI @513/1584 stock
PC/Windows start up = 308.2W (1.318A)
Windows Idle = 235.2W
Stressprime Orthos Small FFTs = 337.5W (1.514A) (DMM measured +12v rail min/max/average = 12.23v/12.23v/12.23v)
3Dmark06 = 395.7W (1.757A)
PCMark05 = 345.1W (1.529A)

8800GTS SLI @650/2010
Stressprime Orthos Small FFTs = 297.4W (1.314A)
3Dmark06 = 433.4W (1.934A)
PCMark05 = 375.8W (1.697A)

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Looks like 600W OCZ EvoStream should be able to handle 8800GTS SLI without problems. Specs for 600W OCZ EvoStream power supply

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...stream_036.jpg

Some info to think about.

For those that are wondering in theory:
* FX-60 stock has TDP = 110W
* FX-60 @3006Mhz at 1.45v = ~147W
* Intel Core 2 Duo E6300-6700 = 65W
* Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @3600Mhz at 1.45v = ~113W
* Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 = 75W

A single 8800GTS has following requirements according to the box:

Quote:

A 400W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 26A or more (Minimum system power requirement based on a typical PC configured with an Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 processor)

X6800 is around 75 or 6.25A so that leaves 19-20A for single 8800GTS and rest of the system components.

We know from Anandtech testing that a single 8800GTX uses approximately 10W more at idle and 20-30W more under load than a 8800GTS http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2873

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12-02-2006, 04:51 AM
Blacklash

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlaqMale

is it just me or os gts sli not worth over single gtx?
(based on last 2 post and dx9)

What Eva said. Also IMO in depends on what resolution you game and the level of filtering you use. I just game @ 1680x with high levels of filtering and my GTX goes through that like a hot knife through butter. I clock 46-60FPS in heavy foliage areas in Oblivion @ said res using 4x AA + HDR Supersampling Transparency AA and 16x AF. I also use a LOD pak and custom config file that makes the game more demanding. That is more than satisfactory performance for me.

If you game @ 1920x and up with high levels of filtering, I can see 8800GTS SLi being worth it.
12-02-2006, 12:37 PM
Harshal

Nice showdown... and as usual a detailed treat for many of us, EVA u rock ;)
12-02-2006, 12:58 PM
[cTx]Philosophy

Nice little review here Eva.. I love the diversity youve showed, and power loads are interesting also..

Anyone know who hacked the drivers to work in SLI for older 7XXX series of cards?

Maybe hes working on a new release, id love to see these in SLI..

Fugger has em in SLI, howd he do it?
12-02-2006, 07:23 PM
eva2000

thanks guys.. updated the system power draw post a tad :)

FUGGER used 8800GTX SLI on 680i board not intel 975x/965p heh
12-02-2006, 09:17 PM
Rudyn

Looking good eva with 2xGTS ;)

I bought the Gainward GTS coz it was the cheapest I could find at staticice at that time and I didn't expect they would overclock nicely.

I have the OCZ GamerXtremes 600W would they be sufficient for 2xGTS?

Keep us updated will ya :toast:
12-03-2006, 05:55 AM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudyn

Looking good eva with 2xGTS ;)

I bought the Gainward GTS coz it was the cheapest I could find at staticice at that time and I didn't expect they would overclock nicely.

I have the OCZ GamerXtremes 600W would they be sufficient for 2xGTS?

Keep us updated will ya :toast:

should be enough given the 600W GXS specs

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/pow...ream_spec1.png
12-11-2006, 03:55 PM
vanovich

very detailed as usaull ,nice work Eva. i was thinking! how does the gts scorer compared to gtx ,with both cards oc? can anyone compare scores with same cpu power?
12-11-2006, 10:26 PM
eva2000

thanks vanovich :)

not sure it GTX compares... I'm waiting for Asus 680i striker extreme for 8800GTS SLI heh
12-30-2006, 09:05 PM
eva2000
19 days later with Asus 680i Striker Extreme in hand

System:
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 QPGE B1 Step 5
- Scythe Infinity heatsink with mounting mod + Thermaltake 120x25mm 81cfm fan
- 2x 640MB Gainward 8800GTS SLI
- Asus 680i Striker Extreme rev1.0 0402 bios
- 1x 160GB Seagate 7200.7 SATA NCQ on SATA2 port
- Pioneer DVR-05 DVD Burner
- 600W OCZ EvoStream Modular Power supply
Gainward 8800GTS stock HSF SLI @621/2052 clocked

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...2_15490_tn.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...2_22973_tn.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...2_54907_tn.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...2_68690_tn.png

:D

Looks like 426Mhz 4-4-4-12 1T is faster than 533mhz 4-4-4-12 2T even for 3dmark06

426mhz 4-4-4-12 1T = 15,506
533mhz 4-4-4-12 2T = 15,490

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...2_15506_tn.png

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