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Exactly right fhpchris :toast:
Wired-HoH
^Let us see how many people will still buy this after they send out a review samples to websites of the latest batch with the promos chips :rolleyes:
As of now only people who dont know or dont care about what chips are used in them will buy these.. :stick:
and there will be those who still think that these are still using the old D9s not knowing about the promos :rolleyes:
Just so you guys know, we never sent out the 6400C4Ds to review sites. The 6400C4D was created as a response to the "Dominator is sooo expensive!" complaint. We wanted to produce a lower-cost version of the Dominator that would work well for the mainstream consumer.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimReaper
We don't send 6400C4Ds out because, honestly, it's kind of a boring part. A bunch of different companies have a Cas 4 800 MHz part out there, why would we send that out to compete when we could send a Cas 3 800 MHz part or a Cas 4 1111 MHz part?
The Promos ICs we use on the Dominator are screened at the IC level by us, and the 6400C4Ds that use them DO respond well to voltage. They have good headroom at Cas 5 and voltage, you can frequently get over 1000 MHz at 5-5-5 and 2.1 VDIMM on them. Which, in my opinion, is decent headroom for a part sold at 800 MHz.
I apologize for any confusion this may have caused, but as you all seem to know, Microns are very hard to get, and we've got a lot of orders to fill on our other parts.
We screen our Micron ICs for 8888C4, 9136C5, 8500C5, and 6400C3. If, for some reason, they can't hit any of those, the downbin path is to put them into 6400C4s.
Again, I don't feel like we mislead anybody. We never sent out the 6400C4Ds for an overclocking review, as far as I can tell, and occasionally a part might STILL be made with Microns if there's some fallout from the high-end screens I mentioned above.
Those are good sticks and 100% compatible with the 680i we are talking here about the 6400C4D also the G.skill are good kits but the corsair will scale better with Cas5Quote:
Originally Posted by matsuya
If you consider "latest batch" to mean when they were made, consider this snippet from the afforementioned IC Inquiry Thread (as well as quoted earlier by me):Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimReaper
Same date :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wired
Buying micron has nothing to do with "maximizing your potential", as everything else in the market just plain blows ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wired-HoH
I hate to rain on your parade, but the difference between even the worst D9GMH and the "best promos" (kinda sounds contradictory) is huge.Quote:
Again, they are not. Refer to previous statement. Nowhere do they state that a specific part # is made ONLY with a specific IC, with only one or 2 exceptions IIRC.
1) make promos look like micron parts, that crappy promos stuff does not need heatspreaders at all, yet alone ones that even look like high end ram.
2) charge as much for promos as others charge for micron
3) Start making the ram with micron, and switch to promos to "save money"(or just cheat customers out of money)
4) -saving space for my craptastic memmory here-
Oh look, even advanced users here at XS have no freeking clue WTF corsair is going to ship out under those PC2-6400 spreaders. The problem is when people make ram that looks like micron, smells like micron, costs as much as or more than micron and even start production as micron, and switch to some promos crap to screw everyone (mid week even!).Quote:
If the average user doesn't READ the packaging specs, that's no one's fault but their own. Caveat Emptor.
I have no problems with anyone selling promos crap, as long as they say : "blah blah promos" I would be all for someone like Mushkin selling cheap elipidia/inferion/promos as something like the "green line" and even marketing it to overclockers -- so long as they say what the product is and what it is capable of.
Who cares about a webpage, lets see what the company reps say:Quote:
Please post links where a memory manufacturer states on their webpage that they guarantee that a specific part # is made only with a specific IC. In otherwords, you can go to a store, ask for that part # (no version BS unless it's considered a separate part / SKU / whatever), and be guaranteed that it has a specific IC.
GSKILL
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...on#post1849789Quote:
Originally Posted by G.S Technician
MUSHKIN
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Originally Posted by Duonger
TEAMQuote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
ZOMG THEY EVEN EOL'D AN OLD MODEL! NO ELIPIDIA/INFERION/PROMOS HERE EH?Quote:
Originally Posted by TeamUSOffice
OCZ
WOAH? HE SAID THEY ARE NOT MICRON! Clearly 150$AR/2gb isnt Micron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Notice now the 315$ 7200EPP is "high bin" micron, funny how it costs the same as that promos crap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I do, just ask good ole' Perky. BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX BALLISTIX GET BALLISTIX!Quote:
Note that there's nothing wrong with them doing this of course, I've just never seen it. If they do in fact do it, then recommend that memory
Does that work well enough?
You are the one who said "buyer beware" in latin, I 100% agree. Buyer Beware M*****F***, and payback for selling this crap to us is a b**ch!Quote:
instead of pointing fingers whenever a manufacturer chooses to use multiple ICs so that their consumers can purchase the part now instead of waiting for the ICs to come in / get binned / etc.
Three problems dude,Quote:
Like kemo said (and I'm paraphrasing a bit here), Corsair made no claims as to them using a specific IC exclusively in any of their advertising or forum posts in the Dominator series, and has even gone to the extent of answering IC inquiries on their forum for those who are wanting to know what ICs their sticks do use. They are not hiding anything, you just have to ASK.
1) normal people dont know what ICs are (hell even xtreme legends have no friggan clue WTF corsair uses, how will normal people)
2) Corsair changes to promos on a weekly basis, with many finding out only after they have the product in hand.
3) This was the general consensus up till a week or so ago:
What could be confusing? <sarcasm>Quote:
Originally Posted by varzmaster
What the IC list not updated correctly? What a suprise! I bet they will update it after someone posts a "hot deal" and we all buy it to find its not micron like the early parts of 6400c4d were.Quote:
A bit off-topic, but that ram list has listed incorrect information for some time concerning Corsair memory. It assumes part # + version # = IC, which IT DOES NOT! I've PM'd the author of that thread multiple times in the past, and gotten a response once IIRC, but it hasn't been updated at all. For the sake of your readers, PLEASE post a link to the IC Inquiry Thread, which is updated by Corsair, so that they have 100% correct information.
Other manufacturers will just not have stock, or will EOL micron parts on low availability, corsair just screws people.
I really don't think that's fair to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
Have to agree with you there Chris. Corsair makes a great product. Their PSU's kick ase and some of their ram is great. I've ran XMS twice in my main rig, never had bad experiences.. though one of the times I did infact get "screwed" by the revision games they play.
Bought some TWINX2048 and it was supposed to be UCCC or Infenion CH I think, and I was expecting 250MHz or so. Nope, got Promos. GG. 227MHz 3-3-3-8 max. 3-4-4-8 or more volt wouldn't budge it.
Usually corsair ships great uber-high-end stuff, and I feel it is a shame that they just cannot compete with stuff under 450$.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS
I run 8000ul in one of my rigs all the time, and sure my 4th gb of it from newegg was DOA, but I am happy with my older kits. What troubles me is things like this:
So how does the same revision of 8000ul end up with D9DQW and not D9DQT?:stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by nicepun
If you can't ship out Micron, don't package Promo ICs under the uber dominator heatsink and sell them for Micron prices. That isn't fair to us...the customer.
If the Promo ICs are cheaper...why not create a line of memory for that and sell it for Promo prices...not Micron prices. if you are out of stock...you are out of stock. *cough* greed *cough*
Have any 8500C5D's used Promos?
;)No not for now atleast :p: they still seem to be D9s for nowQuote:
Originally Posted by matsuya
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Originally Posted by Despotes
ouch! :stick: how bad did these do? post some numbers :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Despotes
I ordered mine from newegg last week. They just happened to pop up back in stock and are out of stock again. I hope Corsair didn't decide to change it. It should be in on the 30th.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimReaper
They could at least make the Promos Dominators red or something other than black.
That and cut the price in about half.
:confused: Well this is kinda dissapointing - it looks like I just dumped $789 CDN for glitzy looking value ram. :( I have to say that I feel slightly mislead with this mem - the Dominator series seemed clearly clearly marketed at the enthusiast market and as such I thought they would use higher quality IC's, but alas, it seems that I might have bought a riced out Honda Civic. The only review I can find of the rev 2.2 is over on the Egg, and that particular user was unable to get his modules to run at their rated speed without throwing errors in Orthos. Here's hoping I have better luck when my Bad Axe 2 gets here and I install them in my build.
I guess next time I should email the retailer I am buying from and get the exact part, lot, and version number before ordering. I inquired over at HardOCP as to which modules were used in the Dominator 6400 modules and was told by a Corsair rep (Mike C) that " To my knowledge, all Dominator has been and will be made only with Micron ICs. But, the only way to know for sure is to have all the info listed in post #1 on that thread above.". Note to self - next time heed their advice and get all info before placing an order.
Corsair makes some sick ram (dominator 8888, 5400UL, 6400c3 anyone?) but this "version game" you play just tells me to not even consider looking at corsair when ram shopping because I don't have 500 dollars for a 2gb set of ram and I don't want to get raped with elpida junk or promos POS. You're losing customers here :fact:
Many places will go tell you that the stuff they have is in a warehouse and getting those numbers is impossible. This is almost worse than the times everyone was buying up all the Kingston Bh-5, and all we had to do then was go look for a simple part number, not version and lot numbers too...Quote:
Originally Posted by loafer87gt
Even the company reps have no clue WTF is going on, ouch!:stick:Quote:
I inquired over at HardOCP as to which modules were used in the Dominator 6400 modules and was told by a Corsair rep (Mike C) that " To my knowledge, all Dominator has been and will be made only with Micron ICs. But, the only way to know for sure is to have all the info listed in post #1 on that thread above.". Note to self - next time heed their advice and get all info before placing an order.
charging 300$ for this is :fart: :down: should be 220 for so for promos and surely shouldnt look like the other dominators. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
OK - some good news. I called Ncix and they said I can return my $800 worth of promos for a 15% restocking fee. They carry Crucial, Mushkin, GSkill, and Team group memory as well as Corsair. Corsair was originally my first choice, because in the past I have recieved really good support and very high quality / strong overclocking modules. To be honest, its not the overclocking headroom that concerns me most about these chips - its overall reliability / quality of the modules, something Promos isn't exactly known for. What do you guys recommend for a replacement part for use with a Bad Axe 2 / Kentsfield?
Here is their selection of memory if you guys wouldn't mind helping a fellow out.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...minorcatid=105
We don't have a Bad Axe 2 in the lab yet. However, my thought is the PC8500 (yes, our Dominator 8500 IS Micron and Micron only) will be plenty unless this chipset is faster than the original 975 boards or if you plan on modding etc. If you want to run faster than 1066mhz and you are still considering Corsair, the Dominator 8888 is great stuff.
fhpchris, I just got hired less than 30 days ago so I'd appreciate a little break here. :( I'm doing the best I can in the face of this unpleasant situation. BTW, is fhp for Florida Highway Patrol or what?
Team Xtreem PC2-6400 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-10 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit 2.0-2.2VQuote:
Originally Posted by loafer87gt
or the G.SKill 6400HZ
YES! And he's going to arrest you for misleading products ;)Quote:
BTW, is fhp for Florida Highway Patrol or what?
(actually his car was a flordia highway patrol car from an auction or something)
WOW!:eek: Good thing I'm not in Florida then eh?;)
Really guys, this whole Micron to Promos switching crap is nothing new.
Corsair has been pulling this :banana::banana::banana::banana: for a quite a long time now.
I went into a big rant on AT about this, & of course, they responded the same way.
I don't blame the reps, however...
I do think though that if they want to regain any respect back from those of us who actually know what we are buying, they've got a lot of work cut out.
Corsair & OCZ specifically do this a ton, which means they make tons of money off unsuspecting n00bs.
That's why i will not recommend either brand to anyone at the moment.
When Corsair stops changing ICs like the wind, & starts offering kits actually worth buying, i might consider recommending them to n00bs.
Till then, i will evangelize against them :D
My first post here and I had to just let Corsair know that they lost a sale on this one. I was on newegg and read the post from a guy on there who said they switched IC's and basically 'covered it up' as it were and decided to do a little searching and found this thread. I was all set to buy the 6400c4d's too. That post on newegg has since disappeared, no doubt at the behest of corsair. Between two shady vendors like newegg and corsair many unsuspecting noobs will get taken on this one. I'm just going to go with the super talent T800UX2GC4 kit instead which was my original choice anyway. I just figured with the bad axe 2 the corsairs would be more stable due to the corsair name. Boy was i wrong. :nono:
It's not so shady of them to change the IC to promos if the promos were capable of doing 800mhz at those 4x4x4x12 timings but reading many of the reviews and threads so far it appears that about half of the people can get them to run at that speed and half can't. AFAIK the microns had no trouble running those speeds or in many cases even greater.
Corsair really should lower the cost of these modules to the low 200's because no way they are worth the same price as the modules with micron IC's.
Customer relations fiasco.