i know exactly what the dragon cpu is , and what it isn't , what it isn't is a x86 cpuQuote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
here you say that the godson4 is going to be x86 ,, so which one is going to be x86
china developed what they have because they wanted to be different , they do not want to use any x86 software
godson 2 is only 500mhz , it looks like godsom 3 will be out in 2010 , at 130nm
it will be a long while before the dragon is a threat to a x86 cpu , if ever
since when ??Quote:
So their you have AMD which has no us fabs
where is amd's fab 25 ??
oh dear, i guess the new fab amd is building in new york must be on un land, since you said amd doesnt have any fabs in the us :rolleyes: and yeah, fab25 is a candy store, whoever tells you otherwise is a conspirasist.
AMD's Fab 25 in in Texas AFAIK, it used to make K6s, not it makes flash memory
Dragon CPU... Trash... Seriously stop bring up this dragon CPU.... Dragon CPU will not compete with AMD or Intel... Not on any level.
AMD has no US fabs... Wow...
I dont think I need to say anymore.
~Mike
The following is from Raul's blog showing comments posted anonymously. Some interesting pointers that I thought I would highlight and see wat our folks here have got to say about it.... :p:
Interesting link
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But what is the point in this ? Very few games today have have scripts that take advantage of two cores, and even fewer have full SMP enviroments enabled. As shown on extremsystems.org where several users have gotten hold of the Quad core Kentsfield, the biggest and really only major improvement was in Cinebench.
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Henri Richard, EVP and chief sales and marketing officer, AMD:
"We're now introducing AM2, and of course AM2 will be quad-core compatible.
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And the fact that the AM2 socket allows us to have a seamless transition to quadcore tells me that I can buy a 4×4 platform, in the later part of this year, and then take it to eight cores sometime in 2007. And that's phenomenal.
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Our plan is to have both dual-core and quad-core K8L-based processors within the same timeframe. The K8L development, from the ground up, is a quad-core development."
-- DigiTimes.com, Taipei
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Crysis will feature out-of-the-box 32-bit, 64-bit, DirectX 9, DirectX 10, and multithreading support.
- Crysis will also take advantage of 64-bit CPUs :
According to [Cevat Yerli, Crytek president and CEO], the 64-bit version "will bring a performance difference of up to 10 to 15 percent on each thread" compared to the 32-bit version. http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/action/cry...ml?sid=6154899
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After all that marketing paper launches... Do you know why 4x4 is delayed so long?
AMD lied and hyped away on their 4x4. Problem is that AMD desktop processors have SINGLE NON-ccHT link. 4x4 requires both processors to have at least 2 ccHT links.
Ask AMD whether current X2 and FX processors can be used on 4x4. How come no one ever questioned that?
By the time its launched, you'd probably need to buy new processors. Possibly modified Opteron 2xx series. Heck, their demo unit had RDIMMs and "engineering samples"?!
4x4 is a kludge too.
The board will be expensive, close to the prices of those 2S server/workstation boards. Imagine the board size! New bigger casing needed! And the extra power needed and consumed! You'll need a two pairs of RAMs!
Don't forget about the 86% scaling going to 4 cores on ccHT bus (based on 2S or 4 core Opteron scaling). That means each core will perform slightly slower, or roughly 12% slower!
Nothing's perfect. Next time before you swallow easily the glut of AMD's PR hypes, examine closely.
The future for ordinary consumers is not more sockets, but more cores in a single socket. Being "very close" together, speeds and scaling are much better. Larger shared caches are the way to go as it reduces bus contention between cores and less memory access.
Already engineering samples of Kentsfield already shown that. Despite being a "multi-chip package" on a bottlenecked FSB, its scaling is very impressive ~ about 90% or higher for 4 cores!
And Intel is going for 32 cores in a single processor in the future. This is an alternative route.
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Don't understand the lie. AMD claimed K8L is compatable with AM2. The $1000 kit includes cpu's, no one said a regular cpu could be used as a multi in 4x4. Yes they answered, and it is one current AM2 can be used alone, but not 2.
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I believe when one of the AMD execs (Hector or Henri, I believe) was asked if X2s would be supported, he said that AMD wasn't sure what all they were going to support in 4X4. I can't find the article now, of course. But it was basically asked and he danced around it not saying one way or the other. I guess if AMD feels it is necessary to support it they will, if they feel they don't need to to stay competitive, they won't.
Basically, I believe current X2s could be supported. But AMD has to think about their low end servers. If you could build a 4X4 with a couple of 3800 X2s and it would perform as well/faster than a low end server, why would anyone buy the low end server for a higher price? AMD would be kind to support low end X2s, but does it make financial sense for them to do so?
Also, I'm pretty sure the single non-ccHT link statement isn't entirely accurate. Saying that the X2s only have one link is correct - sort of. There are really three links there, but AMD only "reports" one of them. As a moderator on the AMD forums says here, AMD only reports one to avoid confusion.
The technology is there to support X2 on a 4X4 platform, it's just a matter of whether it makes financial sense for AMD. I guess if they end up supporting X2, we all should realize AMD isn't just after money, but is also looking to take care of its customers.
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4x4 came out about the same time as AMD started talking about dynamicly reconfigurable/splittable HT links for Opterons. I suspect it's the same deal. I bet that what 4x4 _really_ stands for is the 16 bit single HTT link on a desktop processor, which will be able to dynamicly split in 4 bit increments between talking to the system and interprocessor tasks. 4 lanes of 4 bits each = 4x4.
If AMD has a fab in the USA that makes CPU'S I would like to see A link .
If AMD has broken ground on the new york fab I would like to see a link .
As for fab 25 I didn't know they made Flash memory that ran in a cpu socket .
As for Godson 3 got a link saying it won't be out till 2010 and it will be at 130 mm.
As of right now they are only 2 generations behind. Godson 3 is said to have 16 or more cores. its in 1st post above .
Were was China 5 years ago in cpu tech . Also China is talking about signing an agreement with other foundries in the middle east to produce its CPU's till their foundry tech catches up . China wants very much to produce X86 . I want to watch the game now but I will post links showing that.
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Originally Posted by Turtle 1
Erm....Fab 25 DOES MAKE flash memory.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/A...99_507,00.html
Dude, quit talking about some CPU that have nothing with x86, nothing with the subject of this thread and it will never compete against any current or future CPU from AMD & Intel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
If you think that Gordon3 is that much interesting open a thread about it and put technical data instead of telling us stroies.
I beleive this qulifies as a thread hijack..
Godson schmodson :P
I had to say it..
I would like to ba able to tell you my dragon cpu ownd ur dragon Godsons azz
Honestly I believe if the Chinese Government dumps Billions of dollars every year into that CPU, then maybe in 5-10 years.. THEY MIGHT have something competitive with current X86 based Intel/AMD processorsQuote:
Originally Posted by gOJDO
I posted links get out of your denial . China's coming and there coming fast and there Cheaper . Like INTEL and AMD don't care about the Asian market.Quote:
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Originally Posted by nn_step
I believe that is the Case maybe sooner than 5 years . This denial stuff is just stupid . 98% of the market could care less about 3Dmark 06 scores
Godson 3 well likely be here before K8L . Now am I back on Topic I listen to you guys say ya AMD on track . 65n here next month . Inquirer is only good news if it says what you want.
Here's there latest news .
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34282
You will be lucky to see 65n this year.
Oh stop with this chinese buisness. Neither the current or the upcoming CPUs pose any realistic threat to Intel or AMD as things stand performance wise. Once proletariat China decides to buy ONLY chinese CPUs, then we might have an issue, provided the CPU can run x86 apps, which at this given point, it cant.
We also spoke about the move to .65nm manufacturing process with the Opteron now moved to it and the Athlon64 line-up following in the next few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
and this link is not from the inquirer
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=467
opteron is still a K8 , isn't it ?
so guess there is no point of me waiting till october to move to AM2?
there is an AMD fab already here in Austin Texas and another one is being built a few miles from my house...
I was referring to CPU fabs only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
Is that new fab in Texas a CPU fab as I have seen no news of a new CPU fab in USA except the new york fab . and that as we speak is just talk.
It has not been finalized if it has please provide a link.
and what difference does this make ? fab 25 helped make cpu's years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
the fab in new york is going to break ground in mid 2008
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1980943,00.asp
It would be helpful if you could make the small change (below) to your original article.
"AMD is committed to shipping 65nm products to customers by the end of the year [2006]. Our plans are to be substantially converted to 65nm by mid 2007."
Jan Gutter, PR manager, AMD(EMEA)
who was that againQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
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Originally Posted by dinos22
Do you know what that means??Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
"Substantially converted" means that they'll MAINLY be shipping 65nm parts by mid 2007. Conversion doesn't happen instantaneously man, it takes time, like how even though intel has been on 65nm since the beginning of the year they still ship a few 90nm parts...
Look at how many shipments were still 130nm when Pres-Hot and Winchester came out for their respective companies.
In otherwords, 65nm is still on track, and they plan on having most(if not all) shipments in mid 2007 being 65nm. That's all that means.
So what does this mean . 65n parts in Oct. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
AMD is committed to shipping 65nm products to customers by the end of the year [2006].