AMD 4x4 to support normal X2 CPUs?

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07-31-2006, 06:20 AM
CPLB

I'm hoping for the best as far as 4x4 goes, having 2 X2 3800+ would be nice. However, for now this blog seems to sum up what I think 4x4 will be:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3552
07-31-2006, 06:58 AM
arisythila

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPLB

I'm hoping for the best as far as 4x4 goes, having 2 X2 3800+ would be nice. However, for now this blog seems to sum up what I think 4x4 will be:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3552

Yeah, defently having non FX cpus would be a plus, and would make it a better seller... Hopfully they see it like we do.

~Mike
07-31-2006, 07:19 AM
kargren

I have done some research on the subject but I cant seems to find out, what exactly is the difference between coherent and non-coherent HT links?
07-31-2006, 07:36 AM
nn_step

Just to toss out this picture from an AM2 CPU
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...p2/Iwonder.png
for a larger view
07-31-2006, 07:41 AM
arisythila

Interesting.
07-31-2006, 01:51 PM
Plywood99

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

Just to toss out this picture from an AM2 CPU
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...p2/Iwonder.png
for a larger view

NN, curious as to what cpu that is taken from???
07-31-2006, 02:06 PM
[XC] Lead Head

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

Just to toss out this picture from an AM2 CPU
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...p2/Iwonder.png
for a larger view

1 16bit HTT and 2 8bit HTT links?
07-31-2006, 02:09 PM
Plywood99

^^
Yup has me baffled...
07-31-2006, 02:39 PM
Tony

Guys

are't the new opty's capable of doing 4X4? I had thought they had pushed the 2x1mb cache to the opty line, charge a little more and make em the choice for 4x4....?

Im sure i read that somewhere....????
07-31-2006, 02:54 PM
[cTx]Philosophy

This is AM2 were all tlaking here right?
the 939's will get advantages from 4X4?
Or is this a dream?
07-31-2006, 03:13 PM
arisythila

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philosophy

This is AM2 were all tlaking here right?
the 939's will get advantages from 4X4?
Or is this a dream?

4 x 4 will be AM2 only.

~Mike
07-31-2006, 04:00 PM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plywood99

NN, curious as to what cpu that is taken from???

A 100% standard AM2 3000+
07-31-2006, 05:54 PM
arisythila

Hey nn-step do the AM2 cpu's have some of the HT links enabled? Im not sure what that looks like on a 939... How does it differ from the one to the other?(939 to AM2)

~Mike
07-31-2006, 06:18 PM
Plywood99

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

A 100% standard AM2 3000+

Cool.:toast:

Things are looking up for 4x4 then...
07-31-2006, 08:31 PM
Pyr0

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

Just to toss out this picture from an AM2 CPU
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...p2/Iwonder.png
for a larger view

kinda similar to a skt 939 chip, it still shows three HT links :shrug:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9...infoik4.th.jpg
08-01-2006, 05:06 AM
perkam

I've known from Day 1 in April that 4x4:

- Isn't a dual cpu solution
- Won't require a special AM2 cpu
- Has an SLI function...meaning you'll be able to use a 4x4 mobo with one cpu then add another at your discretion.

If anyone actually cared to read the 4x4 release info that was out on SO many sites...we wouldn't have a 3 page thread on "NO WAY DUDE !!"

Perkam
08-01-2006, 05:51 AM
Baldrick

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

- Won't require a special AM2 cpu

Does this mean any AM2 cpu or any dual core AM2 cpu, would be awesome if it wasnt only for dual core, 2 semprons anyone?
08-01-2006, 06:35 AM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baldrick

Does this mean any AM2 cpu or any dual core AM2 cpu, would be awesome if it wasnt only for dual core, 2 semprons anyone?

Yup. The whole purpose of the price cuts is so that allt he 2MB Cache processors end up Opterons and the 1MB processors are desktop...AMD wouldn't risk making a whole new line of processors after reorganizing their production lines.

Perkam
08-01-2006, 06:40 AM
arisythila

This will be sweet... I cant wait for this.

~Mike
08-01-2006, 07:19 AM
CBONE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xbitlabs.com

AMD said that it will not only offer systems running two of its dual-core processors with system integrators, such as Alienware or VoodooPC, but will also offer bundles of two processors in one package, making the 4x4, or Quad-Father, technology available in the do-it-yourself (DIY) markets. The pricing on such bundles will start from approximately $1000, according to AMD’s Pat Moorhead.

It is currently unclear whether typical AMD Athlon 64 X2 processors, which pricing varies from $152 to $301, AMD Athlon 64 FX chips, which are usually priced in between $800 and $1100, or a new series of desktop-oriented processors will serve the Quad-Father platforms. The company at this time reviews possibilities to enable “step by step” 4x4, where end-users could get only one chip initially and then add another one some time later.

That sounds pretty crappy. Why is this so great? What if it turns out that "step by step" isn't feasible? Starting at $1000? Why would anybody go "Quad-Father" unless you are a total AMDroid? You could get Core 2 Xeons for less than that and they would smack the crap out of these chips.

They need to bring something else to the table with this.
08-01-2006, 07:22 AM
K404

@CBONE..please can you provide price details on a Xeon setup...you`ve made a claim, not ya have to back it up :)

:)

K

The point of this thread is to provide evidence that normal (read as..cheap) X2 chips will work, and the evidence seems to be mounting. If AND make this only for the most expensive chips, you`re right..its pointless.
08-01-2006, 07:23 AM
arisythila

well, from what I've read so far, 4 x 4 is about 15% faster than C2D.....

I doubt its going to start at 1000 dollars... I think a mainboard in the 200 range, 2 3800+'s in the 160ish range.... or hell maybe even just one at a time.. put in another one later... I dont know.

This will not be crappy, thats for sure.

~Mike
08-01-2006, 07:24 AM
arisythila

Quote:

Originally Posted by K404

@CBONE..please can you provide price details on a Xeon setup...you`ve made a claim, not ya have to back it up :)

:)

K

I'd like to see results aswell.

~Mike
08-01-2006, 07:32 AM
CBONE

Quote:

The pricing on such bundles will start from approximately $1000, according to AMD’s Pat Moorhead

Bundles being "two processors in one package"

2 processors for 1000 dollars at least.
08-01-2006, 07:32 AM
alayashu

Quote:

Originally Posted by arisythila

well, from what I've read so far, 4 x 4 is about 15% faster than C2D.....

I doubt its going to start at 1000 dollars... I think a mainboard in the 200 range, 2 3800+'s in the 160ish range.... or hell maybe even just one at a time.. put in another one later... I dont know.

This will not be crappy, thats for sure.

~Mike

15% my ass :D. In multithreaded apps it will be a lot more than that (even the cheapest 2 x X2 3800 should outperform the X6800) and in singlethreaded games it will be slower. :)

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