No no afireinside,i saw elsewhere a more MASSIVE difference of total 8 fps :DQuote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Really worth of spending lil fortune on mobo cpu and ram to get those massive 8-10 fps :D
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No no afireinside,i saw elsewhere a more MASSIVE difference of total 8 fps :DQuote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Really worth of spending lil fortune on mobo cpu and ram to get those massive 8-10 fps :D
So if you have a X1900XTX maxxed out, Conroe and FX-62 are pretty close. How about with Crossfire, SLI, or the next king of the hill video card?
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Originally Posted by informal
You guys are missing the most important point of that benchmark picture. It is showing very high detail, and we all know that high details do not stress a CPU very hard. What would be good to see is 1280 x 1024 with no AA or AF. The CPU becomes less important on single card configurations with higher details and you guys know that.
technically there are high detail tests and low detail tests that are important for everything.
1. Yes, I ordered mine two days ago. It should be here soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
2. Yes, I own one and it seems good.
3. Yes, I have read tests which indicate this.
4. Yes, I ordered one that was not inflated and either way, I do not care!
I play BF2 and a plethora of other games and use my computer for just about everything - I am sure C2D will be capable of processing whatever I choose to do with it.
If you don't like it, fine. Who cares. You'll have to wait for a response by AMD unless you can find it in yourself to order a processor which has "Intel" branded on it.
-k0nsl
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Originally Posted by SepheronX
agreed
at 1600x1200 my stock speed opty and OCed to 3000ghz has about a 10fps diffrence in cs:s benchmark
so i dont care right now
i might get spanked in super pi but i only have a computer for hi-res games
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hahahahaha, It sure is isnt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
~Mike
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Originally Posted by Nanometer
I guess we should all play games at low quality so Conroe will be faster.. hahaha :-) How about we looks at REAL games, at 1600x1200 w/ AA x8 or higher, and AF on 16x. Thats all im interested in.
If this is all im interested in, than Conroe doesnt look like a good choice for me does it? Im not interested in play games at low quality...
~Mike
I wont be riding on the latest and greatest wave again. It's really a no win situation as technology and prices fluctuate too fast. I do like the Conroe but probably will skip it atleast untill xmas time to see price changes or anything newer. People are forgetting that AMD hasnt switch to 65nn technology yet. So the latest AMD is still using 90nn compare to Conroe is a big difference in better heat dissipation and performance factor. I think once AMD finnaly switch over to the new fab, we will see some good competition to come.
4x4, K8L, AM3, DDR3, RHT ;)
think about it though, it was a differnt war cry not so long ago when x2s where thrashing pds in gameing, why have the rules changed?
What's all the fanboyism about? Who gives a rat's ass whose name is on the processor?:shrug:
Man, both the Intel and AMD fanboys need to get a grip. Being into PCs, overclocking and all that is nerdy enough without the subclass of super-nerds actually worrying about CPU brand loyalty. Jeez:slap:
I would think a "true" enthusiast would get whatever offer the best performance for the money regardless of branding. I've flipped flopped back and forth between Intel and AMD for the last 8 years. Look at some of the top gamers, clockers, artists, and power users and you'll see they go with what works best. Only the small niche of super-weenies sit here and argue about brand and actually worry about whose cpu is best. Aren't you guys embarressed acting like this?
The whole "US vs THEM" thing in the AMD and Intel forums nothing short of the kindergarten playground setting.
Why is it that when new CPU technology comes out which trumps the competition, the brand loyalty weenies go into denial? When the original Athlon showed up in 1999 the Intel PIII guys cryed that AMD offered nothing special...until it was overwhelmingly apparent and then folks switched over. When the P4 Williamette came out, the AMD weenies cried. But....eventually many folks switched over to Intel again. Then back to A64. On and On. But with every swing of the pendulum, the fanboys who cheer for the team which is then behind go into denial mode.
Right now Conroe is the best cpu.....for everything. Price and performance considered, it trounces everything AMD has for EVERYTHING....including gaming. Using a mediocre video card to bottleneck the system proves nothing about the gaming performance of a cpu. Nothing. In fact, if folks want to hang their hat on the "games are GPU limited" theory, then they are fools for switching to AMD64 chips or Opterons in the first place.
Another problem with the "games are GPU limited" way of hiding your head in the sand is that not all games, even current ones, are GPU limited. There is more to gaming then first person shooters. There are some pretty CPU intensive RTS games out there. Here's a high res comparision of a great RTS game:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1152971988
Now that, folks, is an old fashion ass whoopin in gaming performance.
Now, if some folks need to "feel better" about not wanting to upgrade, then fine. Not everyone has the time and money to be able to upgrade. And, to defend one's own system as "good enough" for their use is fine too. Whether or not one's own system is adequate for what they do, or what they can afford, is a personal choice. BUT, to sit here and make up BS about Conroe not ripping AMDs head off in gaming by hiding behind GPU bound benchmarks is silly. It defines the very essence of fanboi.
BTW, I am NOT from the Intel forum. I am from XS. I have been for years. I build top of the line gaming rigs. That's simply what iI do and I've run numerous AMD and Intel systems of the years. I'm just here pointing out how silly a few of you look trying to hide from the truth that Conroe is now the best CPU on the planet for everything. If you don't want to, or cannot, upgrade...great. But let's get our heads out the fanboy sand before we start looking like [H] around here.
yes very knowledgeable. some games are gpu limited and some are cpu limited. and some benchmarks are not very accurate. i trust anandtech over other sites because it is almost always accurate and the information given is not biasedQuote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
Well, I'm buying a full new computer, so of course I'm going Conroe. Evenly matched chips (after price drops) between the X2s and Conroes will have Conroe's on top every time.
And I had to lol at the title. AM2 just came out...AM3 will be too(which would force the AM2 socket), either way if you want to stay up with everything, you're going to upgrade. Only difference is that the AMD upgrade isn't neccessary since the X2s don't suck like the Prescotts, Ds, etc.
As you come in with conroe writen all over your sig...
Technically, My system, at 2.8 ghz, will offer very good gaming results, "For the money" So whats the point on spending more money on an R6600, or a R6700, or a V6800?
Some would say, a true enthusist will wait until K8L comes out for AM2/AM3,
I have a nice AM2 setup right now, Just waiting for the Monster to come to town.
Fanboyism... LOL Are you sad because people dont want to switch to intel with you? :slapass: Trust me, You dont need someone holding your hand to do it. There is tons of people from the Intel section that will hold your hand.
~Mike
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Originally Posted by mdzcpa
When K8L comes out it will be AM2 compatable, and AM3 compatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shpoon
AM2 = DDR2
AM3 = DDR3
~Mike
Ive been an AMD fan since I upgraded from my last Intel ,a PII 250MHZ. I love my current Opty 165 @ 3ghz and I wont upgrade since I dont really need to. Still, I cant deny that Conroe is faster than AMD clock for clock at this moment in CPU applications. Obviously at 1600x1200 gaming, CPU is not really the bottleneck most of the time so that kind of testing is pointless. I dont like Intel so I will wait for AMD to come up with some new product...AMD has been kicking Intel's ass for a long time so it was about time for them to catch up. Im confident AMD will beat them soon again.
Regards
Sorry, you misinterpretted me. AM3 will make 939 obsolete. Currently, while 939 is obsolete, AM2 offers no substantial advantage that makes an upgrade valuable (mostly). AM3 will make you have to upgrade, as 939 will be obsolete by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by arisythila
The "Thank god we don't have to upgrade." leads me to belive he's talking about 939 (or else the title is hypocritical anyways if he's talking AM2 since it just came out), so I'm saying that it's not really valid since you'll have to upgrade anyways.
Only good thing is that by then, the AM2 mobos will be well established.
I love AMD i've had almost all of the athlon serie cpu's.
I had a venice 3000+, but since i was plannig to change to something dual cored i will try conroe simply for the money/performance.
But surely i'll never sell my skA mobile 2600+ ou my sempr0n 2800+.
Yes Conroe is really good , but Amd has made de best cpu's ever no one can doubt about it!
None of us are saying AMD is better than Intel Conroe, we are saying that for gaming Conroe would not give much improvement over our current gaming rigs. Your RTS benchies show nothing more than a game that does not use high end graphics or stress the GPU that much, not to mention who cares about mega FPS in a RTS game. Conroe is a faster CPU no question, but in todays high demanding game engines (the games most of us play the most) the conroe will do little to make ones gaming much better.Quote:
What's all the fanboyism about?
Yes very true, spending 1000.00 on a Conroe setup for 1-8 fps more is NOT the best performace for the money if you own a A64 gaming rig such as mine.Quote:
I would think a "true" enthusiast would get whatever offer the best performance for the money regardless of branding
True, but I wouldn't say "trounces AMD in gaming".Quote:
Right now Conroe is the best cpu.....for everything. Price and performance considered, it trounces everything AMD has for EVERYTHING....including gaming
More games coming out today and in 6 months will be GPU limited, I am not spending a Grand to play a RTS game at 200 fps. We are not hiding our heads in the sand, todays game engines are GPU limited, it's a fact and no CPU including Conroe can overcome that. Now as GPUs become more powerfull maybe then Conroe will be worth the upgrade but as for now...Quote:
Another problem with the "games are GPU limited" way of hiding your head in the sand is that not all games, even current ones, are GPU limited. There is more to gaming then first person shooters. There are some pretty CPU intensive RTS games out there. Here's a high res comparision of a great RTS game:
"Thank god we don't have to upgrade";)
If you want the fastest bench's then conroe is the way to go, there is simply no denying that conroe IS the fastest CPU available right now. However, if you want a faster gaming rig and you already own a decent amd rig the sensible person would simply upgrade his VGA rather than pay for a new mobo/ram/cpu.
All this fanboyism sux, we should be celebrating that intel have finally got thier act together and applied some pressure to amd who will now hopefully get off there backsides and create something even better...this can only be good for the consumer. Anyone who sticks to one brand out of loyalty is deluded, my 'loyalty' rests with whoever is producing the best kit at the best price and right now thats intel....justifying an upgrade for the gains conroe offers however is a completely different matter. I won't be praising the lord coz I 'don't need to upgrade', I will be arguing with the wife coz she wont let me!
I still have an AMD rig and am finishing a Conroe rig. All I care about is who is the fastest in benching.
I get tired of hearing " you can't buy then now" in one breath on Conroe and then saying "$150 X2 3800" in the next. :stick:
I am looking for one, please give a link where I can get one.:rolleyes:
It can't be both ways.;)
You are just plain wrong man. mdzcpa is a true gamer and has shown us some top gaming rigs. I think he could care less who switches and who doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by arisythila
You have no respect from me as mdzcpa is just too nice of guy for you to come off with your garbage.
all you people talking about performance per money:
this is xtremesystems.com, not bang-for-your-bucksystems.com.
thank you and continue your regularly scheduled flaming and fanboiness
Agreed. Mdzcpa made a good post and you're reply to him was just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2