My Yonah @ 3,1Ghz is cooled by Big Typhoon.
Quite warm here atm (about 28°C room temp). Full load 24/7 on both cores gives 41°C/45°C (double f@h, temp reading by core temp beta 0.9.0.36)
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My Yonah @ 3,1Ghz is cooled by Big Typhoon.
Quite warm here atm (about 28°C room temp). Full load 24/7 on both cores gives 41°C/45°C (double f@h, temp reading by core temp beta 0.9.0.36)
The stock AMD cooler with the heatpipes is actually quite good, so it's not surprise there. The only difference is the noise generated by its fan, which can be a tad annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by hookid
Most watercooling kits can do a decent job, but they are not that much better than the best air coolers out there, specially for the money you pay for and the hassle you have to deal with water and installation.
At the end, most of those cheap watercooling kits you can get will require you to crank up the fan all the way to achieve optimal performance, thus defeating the purpose of watercooling: silent PC.
Here are a few charts I compiled from Xbit since they seem to have the best testing methodology out there (everything is tested in a thermal chamber that maintain the temperature constant).
Water vs Air (notice FAN rpm)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/coole...coolers/b5.png
Titan Vanessa S/L-Type vs Zalman 9500 vs TT Big Typhoon
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/other/4-cool-comp/b2.png
Tuniq Tower 120 vs Scythe Ninja vs Zalman 9500 vs TT Big Typhoon
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/coole...0/image005.png
In the previous chart, I believe the big difference between the Ninja and the Tower lies in the fan used for each heatsink.
Ninja vs Tower using the same papst fan to eliminate the variable. Results are closer, notice that the Tower is better designed for high speed fan.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1151226847
Master chart:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1151226847
th thing is x bit lab and tomshardware's review of Vanessa Type L contradict each other , so .. yeah... not sure which one is the best besides tower 120
thermalright ultra 120 rocks
the tuniq rocks but it's noisy :/ even if you put a papst
i've had the noctua before the thermalright and it was very powerful even if you undervolt the fan on it
Bad axe rev 304 will arrive in my lair in a couple days.Than i will see for zalman 7700cu and post the info here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mine
fine ..... dark side
you will help a lot of people
with desktop cases or htpcs who wonder if this combo works
( bad axe -zalman 7700 cu)
Could be either of those too, but according to xbitlabs could also be the Scythe Ninja or maybe as 0DIGy said the TR Ultra 120 ..Quote:
Originally Posted by hookid
I have a brabd new Thermaltake Mini Typhoon and a Sanyo Denki 92mm waiting my conroe. Ill report if its a good cooler probably monday.
god i hate deciding
When choosing a cooler i would always suggest to look at something that provides good performance but is somewhat quiet. Dont buy some huge setup that provides a few degrees better cooling if its going to be so loud you can't stand to sit next to the computer when your gaming or something. Its just very distracting. It may be nice for benchmarking to get your max overclock but its not nice at all for daily usage.
Hey all,
Been doing some more reading and it looks like Scythe Ninja, Thermalright Ultra 120 & the TT120 are all about the same (1 to 3c difference)
So I guess it comes down to price & availability. Here's what I got so far ... I'd say Ninja winning with such a low price and I found a couple places with it in stock in Canada.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/236/heat13el.gif
The only thing that worries me is will the mounting clips for the Ninja clear the caps around the socket :(
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cp...ry_400x300.jpg
Edit: I agree with burningrave101, hence the quiet fan for the Ultra 120 and Ninja's fan is quiet also.
Mounting the scythe with those clips is a pain in the ass.... thumbscrews with the tuniq tower are yet another plus....Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Bullet
I've got the Ninja now and temps are worse than I expected... so I went straight to Dry Ice. :D
gocchin - want to sell me your TT120 ?, cuase i don't see anyway of getting one in time otherwise (unless NCIX pulls through)
What people think .. the caps about the same size ? (from a review the Ninja fits the ASUS P5AD2-E Premium), so hopefully fit the Asus P5B Deluxe ok ?
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3698/caps3nc.jpg
they have it in stock hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Silver Bullet
http://www.crazypc.com/items/50980.html
I'm actually looking for one too!! I had a chance at buying a few months ago but I've always been on water or sub-zero so I didn't. Now it's easier just to setup on air for quick testing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Bullet
I can give you an Arctic Freezer Pro 7 FREEif you wanna come and pick it up from me. I used it for ONE day and admitedly it was not the best cooler for OCing.
Wrong heatsink... TT120 = Tuniq Tower 120Quote:
Originally Posted by hookid
Ok, new job for everyone, look everwhere online for someone that has the Tuniq Tower's!
Ya, sorry about that ... Thermalright SI-120 or XP120 not to bad, I have one now (SI-120), but hopeing to get something a little better.
Need to ship to CANADA also .. not just US :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hookid
caseking.de has them, but don't send to US or Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by hookid
http://www.pc-look.com/boutik/Prod_T...__2915_fr.html
different lang but has them in stock
Just one problem .. cost 65,00 € to ship to Can/US which is almost double the price of the HS in the first place :(Quote:
Originally Posted by hookid
I'm thinking Ultra 120 with 2 med quiet fans, push pull. There isn't really room to do that on the Ninja and there are a world of issues mounting the Ninja, which leads me to think that's maybe what skews its scores in so many tests. (that's if I'm looking on the bright side of the testing world)
The ultra 120 takes more height than width and has plenty of pipes to keep up. It's real issue is getting enough airflow through that very fine fin spacing. That is also what made the SI 120 better than the XP 120, better airflow, this time through less resistance on the other side from the clear path under the cooling fins.
This is also what makes the Ninja so powerful, the lower density of the fins, which they make up for by additional heatpipes. What's funny is that no one is thinking in terms of physics. If you mount the Ninja side mount, 3 of those pipes aren't really effective. It would be very interesting to see which of all these tests were done horizontally on a test bench and which were done vertically in a case or a vertical bench. That's going to change things as you can imagine.
The ultra 120 "should" be mounted so that it is horizontal for best effect, with the fans blowing up or down. Otherwise you have gravity nullifying the pipes facing downward. I know sintering (sp) reduces the gravity effect but it doesn't cut it out completely.
Interesting runners up: An ultra 120 in copper would probably be fantastic push pull. How so? Well the runner up if you check the madshrimps (in a case) test, you'll see the Katana CU does a really good job. The weakness? Scythe's mounting systems are inferior in ease of use to TR's. Otherwise the Katana CU is a cooler begging for a little 120mmx38mm adaptor action, which I might still try out :)
So if you can fit the height, the Ultra 120 with a quiet push pull should do wonders. My second recommend would be the Katana CU with some creative fan adaptation, but be sure you can face the heatpipes in the correct direction (they must be angled upwards to let the cooled liquid flow back down) for best effect. Horizontal facing is a possible last resort.
Conroe will be tried with both these options and I'll report back. If TR makes an ultra 90 in Cu then I'll give that a try as well. However I'm far from a professional tester so you'll get what I find, when I get there.
But do be wary of the way heatpipes face, as that will affect performance.
:)
if u replace the fan in the Tuniq T-120 with lets say one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811999344
would that change the temperature a lot?
More stores that have it in stock (T-120)
http://translate.google.com/translat...lr%3D%26sa%3DN
And here is a comparison of the T-120 VS the Noctua NH-U12.
http://translate.google.com/translat...lr%3D%26sa%3DN
http://www.tt-hardware.com/img/news4...6_16dujour.gif
A place with the Noctua NH-U12 in stock:
http://www.jab-tech.com/product.php?productid=3347
ultra 120 for me :)
The Ninja is best when used passively. If you want active cooling the new Mine is a better design. (the Scythe FAQ's even say this).
Upgrade the Mine to a 120mm fan (simple to do) and you've got a great HSF that can be installed and removed without removing your MB.
Mine is identical to TT performane idle and within 2 degrees at full load