What's the answer if it doesn't take much. I upped it to what it was because I knew it was not good. Is there a formula for Vcore to Vdimm?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
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What's the answer if it doesn't take much. I upped it to what it was because I knew it was not good. Is there a formula for Vcore to Vdimm?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
:banana::banana::banana::banana: 200€ :(
so how much you need? I think you are complaining and cry for hunger everywhere :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
OPN, don't worry, TEDY is famous for grumbling and envy complains in our country.
he is also famous for buying opty and OCZ VX and runs them on stock volt/freq and he is afraid of water (in comp).
arn't I a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :D
i think 1.45+ vcore for 3.2+ vdimm at least.. some folks said they get system more stable when vcore is closer to VTT (vdimm/2)Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
i set my vcore at 1.5v in bios for my 2x 512MB XMS3500C2v1.1 BH-5
@260-264mhz 2-2-2-5 at 3.44-3.48v
@266mhz 2-2-2-5 at 3.54v
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Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Now I see the tru image of "The sharpness from cat's eyes!!";)
One can see many things after the last couple days. ""The sharpness from cat's eyes!!", I don't know about that. One thing we are not seeing is anyone being able to get some of this and other good ram so we can see how well they perform.
Patience my friend :toast: ....it's rumored that TeamResearch will be receiving another "small" shipment (but definately more than 5 kits :p: )of these sticks very soon ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by coop
3,7v :), didn't have the time to open MBM or SG, had to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
I Don't know, maybe because the screensaver was kicking in every 10min :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Yeah, maybe, I will rerun it when my Expert arrives (RMA :( ), with:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
SmartGuardian,
Different TREF (3072?)
Dynamic counter enabled.
Will also try for 274MHz
Try TREF 4708 (166, 1.95) and if that doesn't work, 3120 (200, 15.6u)Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertShooter
or even 166, 15.6usQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
just do NOT try anything with 3.9us and 7.8us(133mhz 7.8us excluded;))
did you guys find this with these particular sticks or BH5 and other RAM in generalQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
200mhz 15.6us gives higher clocks but give slower times for me, 100mhz 1.95us is fastest for me(khx pc3200 256mb sticks).Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
200Mhz 3.9us is very fast for 3D on RDX, much better than anything 1.95us ;)
I should have some results with my set by Tues, waiting on 510 SLI mod.
Most RAM will perform @ optimum with one of those settings (unless GHZ is right about the RDX board - and there's no reason to doubt him ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
@ GHZ - I know you'll have something nice to show ;)
and LV's right - sometimes I get a faster time using the 100, 1.95u setting (but on the Expert, the 166, 1.95 FEELS a little faster)
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Originally Posted by Lastviking
that's because you got old school bh-5 and that 's all tricks from PCB and spd matters.;)
GHZ is right, that's why if you are using 1900 CF(2 cards), 200 3.9us would just the good number to do it. BUT I would tru 166, 3.9 as well;)
all depends on ram and board/cpu/bios
old school for me loves 200mhz 15.6 (3120)
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...tweaker_tn.jpg
trfc18? :wth:Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
yeah it ain't the best but it works... at lower end can do tighter though
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Async
10x300HTT = 3000Mhz
166 divider
250mhz 2-2-2-1 7-13 2212 at 3.2v vdimm in bios
1M = 27.484s
32M = 23m 59.641s
10x310HTT = 3100Mhz
166 divider
258mhz 2-2-2-1 7-13 2212 at 3.44v vdimm in bios
32M = 23m 13.922s new PB
10x312.6HTT = 3125Mhz
166 divider
260mhz 2-2-2-1 7-13 2212 at 3.44v vdimm in bios
32M = 23m 02.640s
10x315HTT = 3150Mhz
166 divider
262mhz 2-2-2-5 7-14 2223 at 3.48v vdimm in bios
32M = 22m 56.875s old PB
32M = 22m 57.859s <-- need to work on it :)
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1:1
10x266HTT = 2664Mhz
266mhz 2-2-2-5 7-17 2223 at 3.54v vdimm in bios
32M = 26m 33.422s
10x267HTT = 2670Mhz
267mhz 2-2-2-5 7-17 2223 at 3.67v vdimm in bios
32M = 26m 29.609s
Hmmm...that's quite odd for old school bh5's. IMO, playing with TRFC values seems much more of an issue with the UTT/New BH5's built on the BP PCB's. Old school BH5's on JEDEC specced pcb's were able to run at a TRFC12 basically, almost to the ablsolute limit of the sticks. Here's my old school Twinmos BH5's:Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2...70bh32m3za.jpg
ram like cpus is all luck heh
Depends on who you ask ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
lol... i know my FX-57 has a better mem controller than any opteron i tested so far - can run mem tighter timings on fx-57 that all my opterons still :D
Yes, i think is dependent of the RAM (chips, binning and PCB) too and even of memory controller. For example here i have in this moment this old pic testing 8M on 260MHz using 166Hz 7.8us (1168 i think) in one of my pairs of GH. But for example, in my old Winchester (CBBHD) with that tref i can't pass SP8M, in this case i need to use 200MHz 15.6us (3120).
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3...8mgh0rg.th.png
With Geil Ultra-X (UTT-BH) i remember i used 3120 and with OCZ VX too for the same freq.
For faster times, in NF4 Ultra-D (RA02) i've noticed that 166MHz 1.95us and 166MHz 15.6us are very similar for PI, but i still think 166 1.95 is a little bit faster. In fact all 1.95us family are good for PI (except 200MHz 1.95MHz)
Sorry my bad english, since 2 months ago my english is very unstable
3120 is easier on your memory controller since it's the actual refresh rate of ddr. So basically, the ram is refreshing @ its default frequency. When we set the tref to - say, for example - 166, 1.95, we're asking our memory controllers to work harder and as a result, weaker MC's won't be able to run that. The key to getting a fast Spi result is finding the right combination of STABLE frequencies at a given speed...Quote:
Originally Posted by corvus_corax
No worries about your English, it proably would be better than German? would be after 2 months :p:
actually only utt ch5 have a problem with trfc below 14. all BH5 ive seen can do trfc 12 but they may gain a few MHz with a higher trfc.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
As long as my pair has been critized as hand-pick, and s7e9h3n would probably like to see, let's see and play:D..think about if I have someone's all alumium ultra-D or venus(well Oscar promise me but now he regret)...basically,that performance is NOT what he wanna discuss about what type of ram can be adjusted or improved; those MFs are just wanna secure their name on this forum, shame on them..period.http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/tu.gifhttp://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/tu.gifhttp://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/tu.gifhttp://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/stupid.gifhttp://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/stupid.gifhttp://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/stupid.gif
I have told steve, this ddr560 pi set I have been working on for a long time ago, it's dang hard and still there, for me , it 's not gonna make any sense if your life is just wanna get some WR back, I know I can, just don't wanna put my name with those who only know how to do the :hump: with their master.
16m and 32m still work on...
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...5ddr560/1m.jpg
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...5ddr560/2m.jpg
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...5ddr560/4m.jpg
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...5ddr560/8m.jpg
Awsome,
Crazy Awsome, make my 250Mhz 2-2-2-5 HP3200 UTT Mushkin look Bad.:cool:
Good work:D
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Originally Posted by 4Qman
oh ya, friend sent me a pair of old school muchkin, 338wf, for me, I would say cpu rules all memory parameters.;)
there are only two secondary timings between ultra-D and expert in terms of a64tweakers table "appearance"; expert not really faster than ultra-d
if you are using "right BIOS"; this is truth unless you try; ask Steve;).
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/2...562pi8m3pg.jpg
snap, a week too late for me :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Look like somebody got some new/old Kingstons (right)?Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
actually, i'm the original owner of these babes, got em back in the winter of 03 iirc. pc3200, 2x256mb kit. never really pushed em too hard cause i'm not a huge fan of the higher voltages... they've actually never even been past 3.2v in this ultra-d. i should give it a go sometime though, but not now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Kingston Bh5's can be good:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/8...x280bh56mb.jpg
i'd agree. i messed with one of the sticks back in my s754 days back beore i really had any clue what i was doing, managed this with either 3.5 or 3.6v.. forget which :slapass:
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_174.png
kinda lost here......who was that directed at hehehheQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Very nice sticks you got there :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
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Originally Posted by ozzimark
ha:D
now, if and only if I can get it back when I accidentally sold it ; the only old school bh-5 placed on the bp808;)
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1597/340wf6xv.jpg
:confused: !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
though that got me thinking. technically, it should be possible to remove chips from one PCB and put them on another... :D
too bad i've only got enough chips to make one 512mb stick, and none of the tools to do the work properly :(
though that's something that is very definitly new to me... i guess some mfg held onto a few of the bh-5 chips for a while. i wonder who :p:
The OCZ 3500 Plat.LE BH5 I'll be testing within the next few days were cherry picked bh5 chips on a bp808 pcb. ;) That's sexy...
sweet stuff that is my 2x 512MB OCZ PC3500Plat LE BH-5 one stick does 277mhz 2-2-2-5 at 3.67v but other only 269-270mhz 2-2-2-5 at 3.71v lolQuote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
OPB guess it ain't that hard with all the ram ya got to accidently sell off the wrong modules LOL
hmm, look what i found :D
http://www.tankguys.biz/team-xtreem-...00-p-1539.html
Team Xtreem in the states for the win. :cool:
That was fast :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Just an FYI to everyone: We're currently only running drop ships from Teem, so availability may be sketchy for a bit. I've requested some evaluation modules from them (we'll see if they comply) so that we can do some internal testing as well... hopefully they send some over so we can check them out.
If they do well and we're happy with them, we'll try and stock a bunch of thier stuff, and expand our listings.
uh pc3200 :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
i know, but it's a start ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
http://www.tankguys.biz/team-m-62.html
i'm waiting for my micron based cronus to show up. they have the samsung version
Can you get the 4000's?Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
I'll talk to him about those. Ben's a good guy and open to selling whatever the enthusiasts desires. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
I'm working on getting them all listed.Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
Part of the problem is that Teem only has certain modules even available in the US right now... as an example, they only have the Samsung Cronus modules in right now. There's basically only one version from each model line (Cronus, Proseidon, Zeus, and Appolo) (Oh, and that's thier spelling, not mine ;) ) available in the US right now.
I've got all the ones that are physically available listed, as well as some which are not. I just put up the Micron based Cronus modules up, but I haven't got an ETA for them. I imagine there will be a fair amount of interest in them, so if you guys are chomping at the bit, either toss a post up on our forums or shoot us an e-mail via our website so that we have an idea how many to order.
Like I said, it's going to be a bit hairy in getting these for while, since Teem is just getting a foothold here. We'll do the best we can though.
<3 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
Yea what can I say, we took your live-help request pretty seriously :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
See what'd I tell ya, he doesn't screw around haha... :D
hehehe, i was honestly surprised how fast they showed up after i talked to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
ps, if you look at my teamgroup cronus thread, you'll see why i'm getting that new board :p:
I'm gonna make sure Ben sends me the one you want ozzi... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
j/k :p:
Now now, talk like that and we'll do some order cancelling ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Anyway, I wanted to warn you guys too: our site (stupidly) will turn off a product once it hits 0 quantity. Since we already had one order, I had to turn it back on. I won't have a chance to keep checking it tonight, so if someone else orders, it will 'disappear' off our site again. Sorry for the annoyance on that, I'm trying to get that sorted out.
We called Teem and are trying to get these modules shipped over from Taiwan, so hopefully we'll have a fair number soon.
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Originally Posted by TankGuys
Haha, I kid, I kid. Like I'd actually have any say in...well...anything. :p:
i'm looking forward to it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
Thanks for the help tankguys.
Looking foward to ordering some
Just a little testing @ 3.8V only 15 min in on this memory :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/Xtreem1.jpg
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Originally Posted by G H Z
Nice shot, is that on the RDX200 CF-DR?:slobber:
No with Ultra-D :)
I will be moving onto the RDX to try and duplicate the speed very soon. Still not as impressive as Stephens work, these appear to be at their limit on this setup.
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Originally Posted by G H Z
Think about his CPUs--->0512mpmw fx57, and the one he used to test that pair of bh-5 is Acbce 0522 TPMW Optron 154
Well this 0516 isn't bad and Stephen is probably on Expert, either that or I don't know what I'm doing :D
Looking very good to me G H Z. Can you drop MAL ReP down some? I don't know much about mem tweaking but I thought FX57 could go lower, then again only 15minutes and those speeds. Strap that baby under the Baker and send it up to some 3.7gig pi runs.
I would love to meet up wiht you at a LAN or something but my gear would be a shame to oc next to yours.
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Originally Posted by G H Z
Correct me if i´m are wrong Stephen but i think you was using a Ultra-D AD0 to test your sticks ;)
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Originally Posted by G H Z
No one will doubt your works my friend :)
Just the matter for your reference, he was able to squize some more extra is because his CPU. When the first time he got that pair, he sounds no idea why the heck this kinda new batch of BH die acts weird than the normal UTT bh we used to play before.;)
All the testing was done on my AD0 Ultra-D. I've yet to really push these sticks in the Expert. Your run is nice, but I have a feeling that there's a bit more left in the tank for both the sticks and the cpu ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
CPU yes, memory no. Not on 13 multi there isn't unless some benching time will break these puppies in ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...y/7194839e.jpg
I would say lower your tras to 5, and change the setting of strength to either 7/3 or 5/3
I think I'm on 5/3 for this, I'll try Tras @ 5 and see what happens :)
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Originally Posted by G H Z
Thank you buddy, one thing might need to remind you as I check the a64tweaker you have, you should place either 6 or 4 as dram strength but you forgot;) look at the "normal" there; if you have 5 , it should appear like weak;)
i just checked out my one and it's the same revision....is there any difference anywaysQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=84492;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
whoa looks like we got ourselves an "Expert Ultra-D" there :cool:
Here´s mine TG PC4000 got them@http://www.funtech.si/:toast:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3...s7000054fj.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6...s7000065bp.jpg
Spi 32m@250mhz 3.2V
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5...pi32msp200.jpg
Spi 1m@271mhz 3.6V
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8...hzspi1m2sa.jpg
Spi 1m@277mhz 3.7V
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8...p277mhz6cv.jpg
so what do u think :D
What's the difference between the 604W and 606W and do the 604W's come without the spreaders?
Dogs, don't be fooled by that tiny different thing, you are a very good and fair overclocker I know of!!:)
ok, here is the scoop:D
I decide enclose the heatspreader but not stick on them because I strongly believe that's just a joke if you think HS will help you to get you extra FSB on that. agree?
second, the date code on the sticker doesn't mean when the date the IC was produced. It merely means when TeamGroup record it as ship out date.
Now the new batch BH-5 IC in TeamGroup are all from same date produced from Winbond.
I agree they clock better without the HS. It does not void Teams warranty if I pull the HS off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
i suspect it probably does.
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Originally Posted by dogsx2
I am the man stand for my words,
if yours pair works right before or after you pull off hs, then just keep the sticker for warranty purpose, BUT if your ram not wok right is because you pull off the ram, then it's different story buddy, so be very careful for doing that and I am sorry about all the team group bh-5 user brfore we making this decision.
PM me if anyone got this type of question! Thank you guys.