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Sapphire Promises X1900XT, X1900XTX at Launch
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=358
Nice find oth :)
Hope it comes out true :)
Perkam
well it looks like XTX crossfire isnt happening so the xtx is mostly a single card solution. With any luck there is no other diffrence between the xt and xtx other than clock speed as im not buy'n a XTX if its going to chock down to XT speeds in CF.
ATi Responds To X1900XT Availability:
http://www.hardocp.com/Quote:
With online retailers showing the X1900XT for sale today and photos popping up around the web, our man Brent Justice went straight to the source (ATi) and got the low down on X1900XT availability. This is the official word:
Talked to Jennifer Barron at ATi, the embargo is still in effect and won't be lifted until the 24th. Some sites may have it for sale and in stock, but they won't actually ship them out until the 24th, at least according to ATI. She said she is going to look into it further and get back with me today. As it stands right now though the embargo is still in effect and the original target date of the 24th is still solid. If that changes they will let me know.
That's funny! 3 members on [H] actually have the cards, bought and paid for from online retailers. Brent has even posted in the threads. I guess we'll have to see what Jennifer says.Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
Anyone have a link to somewhere in stock that I can order one? Even if it doesnt ship till the 24th?
I will get x1900xtx on 24-th of January (if i get enuogh money ::D ) for 729 euros :banana: :banana:
Anyone hear any rumblings about rd580 lately? Ready to go or going to be late? I'll be very unhappy when i look around to order my x1900's and not a manta board to be seen.
and one at least on XSQuote:
Originally Posted by wickedld9
<.<;
/tries to jam x1900xt into agp slot
/hopes if that some how he got the card in the AGP slot, he wouldnt power up the systemQuote:
Originally Posted by Levish
A couple of benches here - http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1008388
Cheers, del.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29152
X1900XTX number found inside..
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Originally Posted by del_fuego
what a disappointment...Quote:
opt148@2.97ghz ,270fsb with 2.5-4-4-7 timings ,1:1
3dmark05-score 9688
3dmark06-score 4270
What does a stock 512 GTX score on 2.97Ghz rig, I really don't know. It does seem a little like it's not up to all the hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_KHAN
Anway, they're on sale at AllStar XT, XTX Retail & OEM's.
well, those are the same scores, almost, that i get with my x1800xt w/pe bios and no overclock, cpu @ 3ghz.
Wait for official numbers...ATI didn't spend so much time on the R580 for it to end up marginally faster than the x1800. Remember, this is the true R5xx for ATI...the R520 was just a filler for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_KHAN
Perkam
might take a while for drivers to matureQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
X1900XT OEM available and instock: http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/prod...packagecontent
Search for X1900 to see X1900XTXs for about $100 more...
Perkam
it works.give an another try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis
Oh. Thx.
Fixed :)
http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/asse...1018798T_1.jpg
Not too shabby...a hsf cover from sapphire that doesn't look fugly :p
Perkam
Works now. I wonder if there any working drivers for the XTX, other than (I assume) the OEM packages ones?
I ordered the XTX from allstarshop will be here on tues
http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/prod...EQJM5TFK0V9NF9
:banana:
guess whose gtx512 just showed up on egay :D
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Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
man change your order save yourself some money on the same card, it will overclock the same as a xtx anyway :toast:
http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/prod...E9J57JGGWE7421
Well...i think its his own decision rattle. The XTX will oc better I'm sure...and it has guaranteed higher clocks. Though buying an OEM card for $649...dang.
I dunno why ppl are getting sapphire cards. They will be available yes. But if you're going XTX, I'd wait for Powercolor.
The practical X1900 solution would be to get an XL along with one of the new Accelero's or put it on water and watch it launch.
Perkam
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Originally Posted by perkam
why would the xtx OC better, its got the same parts !
only thing thats diff is maybe looser mem timings cuz it has a "xtx" bios,
but your right its his money...
I love ATI though, better performing card than GTX512, easier to get a hold of, much cheaper!!! Bought my xfx 512 for like 850 from allstarshop what a ripoff :/
I was HAPPY it was 649 lol 200 cheaper than my gtx512 and BETTER..so basically gtx512 will sell on ebay for atleast 750 so i will actually have some money left for sushi
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Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De
thats awesome
if i had the gtx 512 to sell, then buy the xtx and still have $100 I guess i would have done the same..
I'd sell the gtx512 for 750, buy the xt for 550 and have $200 to start saving up for the x1900xt CF master card :banana: :toast:
Do you really need to to CF with these puppies? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
as far as that goes you dont even "need" the x1900 with the x1800's out.
Unfortunatly i want x1900 crossfire but i "need" a rd580 because im not running a rd480 CF board. So i'll have to pick up a x1900xtx and like a 9npa+ ultra board or something similar to hold me over till rd580 comes out. i'll get my mastercard then.
And some more test results from OCWorkbenchQuote:
In terms of overclocking, the Core couldn't go very far, anything above 660 will result in hangs.
I think that is bull. Only 10mhz higher than stock XTX? I think they need some more volts.
So let me get this straight. The XTX variant is the cream of the crop, PE equivelent of the previous generations? There will be no higher than the XTX in the X1900 line of cards? No XTX PE etc?
Its hard to say. the xtx will be the elite card at first, but who's to say there won't be an x1900xtx TOP from Asus or an overclockered version by someone else in the near future. The coolers etc. are the same as the x1800 so there should be little delay in producing such cards if ATi's r580 can be binned for higher speeds, such as the 700mhz asus bins the x1800xt for in its x1800 xt TOP card.
Well I hope a bios comes out that allows current XTX cards to become TOP etc cards. The XTX cards should have no problem with a 50mhz increase stock especially since voltage options are available to the end user.
Im waiting for the NDA rd580 board from DFI it is supposed to be l337; dfi's overclockability w/ rd580 is a win-win situation. dont think i will get the CF but maybe i am still thinkng :D
i want some 14k with a single but htta is ognna be togh have to see how far i can take fx60 once vapo gets here and do some serious tweaking
damn crash, nice system, everything is top notch and high end. Good job.
I'm going to borrow someone else's quote from some forum somewhere and reply with, "Because it has 10% more love manufactured in."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattle
The XTX can be had for 618 on digital unique...
I think the XTX hype is overrated atm. First release cards as always will not be binned in order to rush them out. later you will probably see a difference.......
Dang....I'm waiting for 1900xtx and the cf card, but I don't wanna run my cpu on any RDX200. The last one went kaboom and took my fx with it:(
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh
i hear reports of both xt and xtx having 1.1 ns memory, later on if this changes than my love would go to xtx if i was buying a card :)
Well hopefully we'll both get fast ramsies on our cards, eh bro?
Hey Dumo,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
I've run everything on the RDX (new BIOS) including X1800 CF and had no problems, well until the other night that is, now I cannot get into BIOS for some reason :D
Be carefull GHZ... Power regulators get weak after ran with high vcore and >3.4 vdimm..Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
Sorry oot:)
Anyone know how the x1900 AIW will perform or the specs? That might be a good buy too if it is just lower clocked.
Not impressed with the OC results... Seems to top out at 690Mhz MAX from stock of 650Mhz. OCworkbench was only able to do 660Mhz. Considering that they're using 90nm, and G71 (also 90nm) will be clocked at a stock of 700Mhz+, R580 is a disapointment in the clocking department.
honestly those numbers do not impess me as my SLI system still beats that card by a large margin. nothing taken away from ATI but i would wait for the G71 before i make a purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
Theres not much talk of the X1900AIW. ATI has it for $499 and when other stores get it will be around $450. The spec are no were to be found yet and with a new moded cooler this card might clock very high. One of the down sides is it 256 meg.
After reading reviews etc. I have to say, Im alittle disappointed with the X1900.
Anyone feel thesame? This card is supposed to challenge the G71, but it looses to the 7800GTX 512mb in almost all tests(at realistic settings. I mean who uses 1920x1400 and above):(
o.O it showed it beating the 7800gtx 512 in almost all the games by a healthy 15-20%, maybe Im reading differant reviews? I read hexus's and a few others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
you need to read more reviews dude
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/cms/artik...id=319&seite=7Quote:
Originally Posted by `SippY
Im talking about 1280x1200 settings which most us play at. It does not beat the 512mb GTX by 20%
to play 1280x1024 you dont need a 7800gtx 512 or x1900 :rolleyes: you can get by fine with a single 7800gt. The people that are paying $500+ for a video card have monitors that are capable of 1600x1200.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Unfortunately, your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
At 1280x1024 4xAA, 16xAF the GT will lag. :slap:
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
I was really expecting alittle more from the XTX, thats all Im trying to say.
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
my x800pro played fear at 1024x768 with 4x aa and 8x af, you're telling me a 7800gt cant go up a resolution? And btw, you're wrong.
http://hardocp.com/image.html?image=...JfMV9sLmdpZg==
btw I suggest you read more reviews, all sites call the single x1900xt/xtx the fastest single card out :rolleyes:
again read more reviews!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Were not talking about your x800 pro, stop flipflooping.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
MY X2 3800+ at 2.4 w/7800GT at 1280x1024 4xAA, 16xAF lagged in fear.
Face it, your wrong. PERIOD
You really havent said anything usefull in this thread:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by `SippY
So me along with mass amounts of reviews are wrong? Uh huh :rolleyes:Also, I was giving the x800pro as a referance point, obviously :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
the same can be said for you basing your opinions off of one review and only considering low resolutions when A SINGLE x1900xt can play games playably up to 1900x1400 :rolleyes: People that dish out $500-$600 for a single card usually have enough for a monitor capable of at least 1600x1200Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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Originally Posted by THREAD!
How has what you've said so far related at all to the thread?
How do they justify the price tag in the UK?
The 1900xtx is retailing for £469.94 which translates to US$ 838.79
Once again people in the UK get screwed over :(
Edit, I just checked and I could buy one on newegg if I lived in the states for $549 = £307.58. A penalty of £162 for living in the 51st state.
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Originally Posted by GazC
All them taxes and stuff :( :slapass:
Pinnacle, pls stop modding this thread on your own. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and comparisons.
Some great prices to be found on these...
Perkam
Depending on where you live.....:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
No kidding, and Im not disputing thatQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Check out the first post in the official X1900 thread GazC...plus check out page 4 of the same thread...some prices to be had on these applies to around the globe this time.
We're seeing good prices and availability in Sweden, France, Germany, United Kingdom, Italy, Canada, and many more places.
Perkam
Well this is the HQ! and its been released so why not discuss it here, the XTX that is. Your the one that took it off topic comparing it to the 7800GT and your x800 pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
Just like your facts being useless. If you havent noticed most of the sites that review the 7800GT are tested with fx-53's and above. And most of the time the 7800GT doesnt reach the min playable FPS of 30 at 1600x xxxx. If ppl can afford a fx they will obviously not go with a single GT.
Well, I just talked to my buddy at a local shop, he said we'd be getting some XTXs next week for a nice fee of $899 Canadian
Not after I read a lot:Quote:
After reading reviews etc. I have to say, Im alittle disappointed with the X1900.
Anyone feel thesame? This card is supposed to challenge the G71, but it looses to the 7800GTX 512mb in almost all tests(at realistic settings. I mean who uses 1920x1400 and above)
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I also want to note that the efficiency of Shaders 3.0 in terms of (dynamic) branching is manifold higher in the X1900 XTX than in the competitor from NVIDIA, which may also have a positive effect in future games.
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NVIDIA again gets advantage here from 16-bit precision (don't forget that intensive intermediate calculations of this precision may result in noticeable deterioration of rendering quality and the current de facto standard and requirement to all future APIs is internal calculations in FP32 format). The R580 is nearly three times as fast as the R520 in the complex computing model. It noticeably outperforms NVIDIA, especially if we don't take FP16 into account.
So it's executed faster by NVIDIA, which has more texture units. Here is the dilemma we mentioned earlier - different algorithms may be implemented in different ways, one chip will favour computation priority, the other - texture access priority. Some things can be calculated, others can be looked up in a prearranged table. Unfortunately, architectures differ very much now. Each of them will have its own optimal shaders, which will pose new difficulties to programmers, especially to those who thoroughly optimize performance of their shaders.
Anyway, the R580 works much better with pixel shaders than the R520. The new chip can be really called a shader king. It noticeably outperforms the G70 in any calculations that are not limited by texture sampling
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it’s the crop of games that haven’t been released yet which could show the most significant benefits. As game developers continue to incorporate more shaders into their games and begin to rely on more of shader model 3.0’s features like dynamic branching, the performance potential of the Radeon X1900’s R580 architecture will increase.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...580-part3.html
Considering the capacity of the latest generation of accelerators, performance analysis should be performed only with the AA+AF load.Otherwise, it would be a competition of processors or system units rather than video cards.
It's no secret that many games have already reached the limits of CPU and system capacities on the whole, so we don't see the potential of top video cards even in AA 4x and AF 16x modes. That's why we introduced a new HQ (High Quality) mode, which means: HQ:
* ATI RADEON X1xxx: AA 6x, plus Adaptive AA, plus Temporal AA, plus AF 16x High Quality mode
* NVIDIA GeForce 6xxx/7xxx: AA 8x, plus TAA, plus AF 16x.
F.E.A.R.
Taking into account that this game requires really huge computational resources from an accelerator in the first place and only then texturing capacities, the new R580 architecture acts brilliantly here. Of course, the number of ROPs and TMUs is a deterrent,
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
The advantage is again not manifold - texturing plays important role in this case.
Half-Life2
But I repeat that it's a bright example of a passing generation of games. If the game had had HDR and Shaders 3.0, the X1900 XTX would have risen sky high, as the XT model.
>>Triple shader capacities are of little help here.
We can see that the famous hobby horse of NVIDIA (efficient operations with textures) has put the X1900 XTX on the same level with the GeForce 7800 GTX. And the 1900 XT is even outperformed.
This test is limited by CPU capacities more than Far Cry, so we are interested only in HQ mode.
>>Here we can see that the game has a previous-gen engine, where texturing and computational capacities of shader pipelines are used on equal grounds, hence almost no advantage over the X1900 XTX.
Chronicles of Riddick
Alas, OpenGL is again Achilles' heel of ATI's products. However, the problem is not only in API. Everybody knows that DOOM III and its engine are fine-tuned for NVIDIA cards (texture operations, stencil buffer, etc). That's why all GeForce cards can be victorious here, there is no reason to be surprised.
Nevertheless, if we enable HQ, such a load miraculously turns all the victories of the GeForce 7800 GTX into defeats. The X1900 XTX as well as the 1900 XT shoot forward. The gameplay is not very good, but we should keep in mind that resolutions higher than 1024x768 are useless.
3DMark05: MARKS
the X1900 XTX is obviously victorious, but not manifold again. Even less than by 50%. But texturing still plays a very big role even in such a super-shader test, its computing/texturing requirements ratio is far from 3-to-1.
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In all cases, ATI will have the image quality advantage with angle independent AF and 6x MSAA.
We tend to like NVIDIA's transparency SSAA a little better than ATI's adaptive AA, but that may just come down to opinion and it still doesn't make up for the quality advantages the X1900 holds over the 7800 GTX lineup.
Quake 4 at 1600x1200, Quake 4 clearly prefers the more balanced combination of high clock speeds and 24 pixel shaders/24 texture units in the GeForce 7800 GTX 512MB.
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Want to argue talk to me on aim.Quote:
Pinnacle, pls stop modding this thread on your own. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and comparisons.
Staying away from all the stray bullets....so the 1900 series will be the new high and mid high end and the x1800 series will be mid end while the x1600 should be bargain basement. Am I correct?
x1800 is discontinued.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
if x1800 is discontinued, what will take its place? Its gonna leave a big whole in the middle of the price spectrum.
x1900.... and the x1900 AIW = $400Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Aye, and prices on the x1900's should drop to x1800 levels, once the x1800's are gone, making room for the new product in the works to be @ the x1900's current pricepoint.
I don't know man, from what I've seen it's pretty darn close. I've got a pair of GTX in SLI with an X1900XT on the way. I'll be looking for perf comparisions in the following games:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
NFS MW
F.E.A.R.
COD2
Also, it'll be nice to play Farcry again, this time with AA and HDR. Perhaps comparing 1 card to 2 ain't fair, but I'm gonna do it anyway cause I'm dirty...DIRRRRTY!
Sub-$500 Sapphire X1900XT: http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-1900XT&show=p
Perkam