good idea. Do you think removing the pci bracket with the zalman will aid in cooler temps?
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good idea. Do you think removing the pci bracket with the zalman will aid in cooler temps?
it might, but i dont think it will be as beneficial as with the stock cooler. the zalman will still be better though even without leaving the slot open. Based on what people here have said about 5-10'C temp drops.
/start rant
Alright - I f'n hate UPS. Ordered the X1800XL on 10/30/05, shipped at 9am 10/31/05 - now in transit 4 days, paid for 3 day select. Tracking says out for delivery all day - now all the sudden rescheduled delivery and not till 11/4/05. Wow - 5 day service at the 3 day rate... what a bunch of morons.
What can BROWN do you for you...? ...Well you could start by giving the FEDEX guy my package so that I get it on time!!!
Sorry for OT /end rant
man I know how you feel. Mine hasnt even shipped yet. I am anxious just as you are. I am anxious to hear your results on the card too.
GREAT NEWS!!
UPS is really screwed up - since the card was delivered today anyways!!
Ok so far I tried 600 / 700 got some artifacting but I havent stepped up voltage. What happened with too low voltage, was there artifacting ir just unstability?
I played some FEAR and really sorry to say I can run 6x Adaptive AA and its soo much smoother than my 7800 GTX. I was afraid of this - the GTX tears so much I need vsync. The X1800 is just like butter without the need to cap my fps with vsync. I really want to either OC this or pickup the X1800XT, I love the quality.
Have to spend some time with the family so I'll get back to it later. Just wondering about the artifacting so low, you guys get this too with too little voltage?
Thanks, I'll post more later!!
wicked news dnottis! Sounds like you got up and running fairly quick! Were your tests on stock cooling? What exact drivers were using and yes please, do get back to us when you up the voltage and let us know your findings. I hope its good news. Glad to hear Fear runs great with 6X AAA, looking forward to seeing that myself on my own system. You have a much faster running cpu than myself though.
Ok tried the GTX fan mod. Didn't work very well, temps were hotter at idle than the stock cooler by a few degrees. Unplugged the stock fan and zip tied the 80mm on. The stock heatsink uses some sort of piping to route the air through it. Check the next pic to see what I mean.
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/X1800XL/IMG_2271.jpg
Shot of the core - reseating everything and applying some arctic ceramique to the core.
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/X1800XL/IMG_2275.jpg
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/X1800XL/IMG_2273.jpg
All zipped back up and ready to run, removed the stock TIM and put some Arctic Ceramique - temps are already down a few degrees... still testing....
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/X1800XL/IMG_2277.jpg
so you are saying the 80mm fan worsene temps?
thats pretty crazy.
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Originally Posted by Revv23
Well the stock cooler pushes air through a system within the heatsink. So blowing air on top is not giving the same result as the GTX mod did which was just a heatsink.
is the stock fan a push or a pull design?
I believe it pushes, if it were pulling there is no evidence it would exhaust out the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I hosed my OS installation, so I'm in the process of reinstalling XP lol
The card gets warm to the touch, my X850XT PE and GTX get hotter.
So far...this was only possible after applying arctic ceramique on the core, with the stock TIM I was having issues...
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/X1800XL/600-700.jpg
edit read it wrong, nice oc though.
Nice score :toast: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
These babies rock!
Dnottis, do u recommend changing thermal compound then?
I have Arctic Silver 5. Will this be much better than stock thermal compound?
Okay. I just ordered the saphire x1800 xl from ZZF $389. THis is going on phase as soon as it gets here. Let's all hope I don't end up like FUGGER. (fingers crossed)
:eek: TransAm back in the game !!!! Do let us know the records you're breaking mean...best of luck :up:Quote:
Okay. I just ordered the saphire x1800 xl from ZZF $389. THis is going on phase as soon as it gets here. Let's all hope I don't end up like FUGGER. (fingers crossed)
Perkam
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Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Yes I wouls say to do that...
this ran 3dmark 2005 but then had issues minutes later..
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/X1800XL/625-700.jpg
I'd say the issue is ur mem. Up the mem voltage to 2v. That should work.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
My mem caused problems at that speed with stock cooling (im still using stock atm).
Another thing, what did u do with memory chips? Did u keep the pads? And did u out some ceramique on them or leave them as is?
Pads are as is - the Zalman will be here mon or tues.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Which Zalman are u getting?Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
nice resulds.
XT cards have other PCB's the XL is lacking one power chip u can see it next to the red heatsink. U see one is missing. XT cards have a chip there. So they will be able to get higer voltages on the board. Macci's XT has all chips i a row.
I would get the VF700 CU i think the fatality version is ALU.
yea, vf700
dunno if I'll have much luck though, it starts artifacting even at 600 / 700 now. just takes awhile.
Its definitly heat thats causing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
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Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Yea, unless the cooler isn't making good contact with the memory or the core... I dunno. Kind of annoying now, anytime I start to change the volts it starts to artifact. Some of these guys arent even using ram sinks, so I cant imagine its the memory...
where are the first getting them under DI + FX@3.5GHZ (and more)???
great results so far but your CPUs aren't clocked that high that the card could show their true powers I think.
lend it to me I will check this :>
I think you need a schroud. The dead spot of the fan is too close to the core and to the fins of the heatsink.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Nice overclock though, I bet the heat is what's limiting you ;)
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Originally Posted by alexio
I have the stock fan back on.
Idle temp with stock is 57 deg c.
Oh oh artifacting at 600/700 after time isn't good. That is what I was afraid of. It seems everyone is so happy with the clocks of this card INITIALLY that they leave it at that. Very few have probably run extensive testing at those speeds for long periods of time to see how it keeps up which is may not do so very well. Let us all hope it is just heat and nothing else such as the core being weak or not taking well to the voltage increases.
The Fatality version is all copper and I have ordered that with my card for testing. The extra fan speed can't hurt anything except my ear drums. I will have it on a controller anyhow and I too plan on using Ceramique over stock or silver even.
Dnottis, you say 600/700 starts to artifact after awhile. What can you run your card at 24/7 without any artifacting or issues?
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Originally Posted by cantankerous
I dunno, still trying to figure that out
going to run some stress testing on the max that overdrive allows. It just seems like as soon as I mess with that OC'r program it starts to artifcat. I dont have an issue with the overdrive overclocking... even when I clock to the same speeds (as max overdrive) with the OC tool I have issues..
Well max overdrive clocks are 575 / 550 the system rebooted during 3dmark 2005. Alright now this is getting frustrating.
hmmm well the voltage tools may have issues or are incorrectly going about doing their job and the card reacts weird to it. As far as I remember ATI guarantees their cards to run up to the max CCC speed as during their testing of the cores this is included. It is an option that is freely available to us and ATI can't have RMA's because one of their features don't work. They also shouldn't need a voltage increase at the max CCC speeds cause ATI themselves have no voltage option in their drivers. Try not running the voltage program and run at max CCC speeds for awhile and see what you come up with especially in games over long periods of time. Get us a score in 05 if you don't mind either. Remember as well, the ceramique will take a couple days to properly cure which could bring down temps even more. I may suggest putting ceramique on your memory instead of the pads if you are using stock cooling as I did this on my current X800XL with Silencer and it works better than the stock pads on the silencer.
Good luck. Dnottis it is your results that I look forward to seeing as of now.
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Originally Posted by cantankerous
Yea, this is crashing too. Looks like max CCC speeds aren't even gonna happen. Might be time to RMA.
haha I need a voltage bump on the core to get max CCC speeds to finish 3dmark.
oh wow. A bump up to what from what?
Are you running sapphire OEM card? Trying to remember.
If you dont mind find out what max mem and gpu you CAN do artifact and crash free without a voltage bump.
I got the same :banana::banana::banana::banana: over here. I'm now running stock volt and 550-500. If i go higher on the mem i get artifacts card is screwed like hell :(. I had it with this one :slapass: Its a XT for me next. As soon as i can get one i'll dump this crap ass card.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102612
Saphire X1800 XL
Now $369 at Newegg
Ah - being a slave to the OC.
Alright guys here's a tip to check things as you go.
Download and run RTHDRIBL, thats the app that will bring your GPU to it's knees. It runs windowed so you can play with volts and speeds.
Running core above 1.2v I get instant artifacts, so I backed off it was clean at 1.175v, but I dropped it further to 1.15v and am running 3dmark 2005 now at 625 core / 750 memory with core voltage at 1.15v and the memory at 1.9 stock now.
Maybe I was giving it too much juice. Once I got above 1.2v there were crazy artifacts - 1.3v was really bad, but dropping just the core voltage to under 1.2v everything cleared up. Using RTHDRIBL can at least get you to find where you need to be without corruption.
Still working on it... these might be easier than I thought to overclock - be sure not to give it too much voltage, from these tests it seems that it may be the case. Now Im working on seeing how stable 1.15v on the core is at these speeds - but at least the artifacting is gone.
Also, I notice idle temps are like 54 deg c, but the load is only 68 deg c. My GTX with stock cooler swung from 54 - 78 deg c and with the nv silencer from 42 - 58. Seems these cards run hotter but there is less of a delta between idle and load.
Thanks for the update Dnottis. Perhaps too much voltage was the key, if that is the caes than that is great! Less volts for same clocks. Now that the artifacting is gone let us test for stability again hard locks, vpu recover errors or drops to desktop when playing games. Keep us posted on how far you get and at what volts. As well let us know how long you ran your tests.
Astennu, 500 on the mem is pretty bad and also leaves me confused. The 1.4 chips are good up to 700mhz stock! IF you can't get over 500 then those chips are running worse than 2.0 chips. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps it isn't the memory but the mem controller on the card that is holding you back. I remember when the whole mod your X800 VIVO to XT craze came about it was the same deal. The cores were weakened, rejected XT cores that couldn't keep up to both high gpu and mem speeds due to a fubared mem controller. IF you went too high you got black lightning etc as artifacts.
Dnottis, when you had artifacts from high volts what kind of artifacts was it? popping pixels, flashing textures, weird colours, checkerboard, dissapearing textures, black lightning etc?
Im just absorbing all this so I have some key points to work with when I receive my card.
I dunno anymore - less volts got it through 3dmark 2005, then I run 2001 SE and instant artifacts. My efforts overclocking are becoming futile.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Less volts got it to pass 3dmark 2005 and RTHDRIBL for awhile but crashes in apps and 3dmark 2001 se... ugh
strange as 05 and RTHDRIBL are very GPU intensive as compared to 2001 which is mostly system dependant. You would think the first two would cause artifacts over the latter two.
It is too late to cancel my order even though I am having second thoughts on this card but we will see.
What you should do is this. You jumped straight into overclocking the minute you had the card. Did you even check to see that it runs properly at stock? Perhaps it wasn't even very strong in that respect.
When I get my card I am going to run it stock volts/stock clocks for the day to make sure it is as it should be default before I do anything else. As soon as that assessment is made I am jumping straight onto the ceramique and zalman to be sure I get a cooler card right from the getgo.
Again thanks for your findings and let us know of any updates you may have.
hm...........the results are impressive but seems like there're problems that'll arise after some stress testing.
Should I be getting this card? I was thinking of it but these issues? :dunno:
If you can deal with less than XT numbers - but on par with stock or slightly better than GTX performance - without shimmering and better AA - then yes. Also, expect to replace the cooler with something more efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkcd
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Originally Posted by cantankerous
It works at default and some slight overclocking...that I can confirm 100%.
Seems than CCC max memory 550 with core at 560 is ok at stock voltage. (not max CCC for core though).
Newegg was showing X1800XT next in stock 11-8-05 - but I kept refreshing the page.
I just got one!! Get them while they are hot at the EGG.
EGG doesnt ship to Canada the whole they were suppose to seems like a lost cause as they are over a month late from the opening of newegg.ca.
So stock voltage you can confirm 560/550 absolutely stable and artifact free? Max core for CCC is 575 so you are only off a bit. 560/550 would kill my dads X850XTPE which already plays games quite well even with 565/600 on his card.
Would 560/550 on an X1800 be better than a GTX?
Absolutely!! I've played FEAR, BF2 at 560 / 550 stock volts.
If anyone is looking for a X1800XL, even in Canada, I'm going to sell this for $360 shipped.
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Originally Posted by trans am
now its $349! damn, now it realy is competing with a GT price wise.
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Originally Posted by gunit
Geez!! well I can't compete with that lol
the mem needs more core volage to go higher, did you forget about that? I can do 550/775 with core at 1.2v and mem at stock v. If I leave core at stock voltage mem wont go above 550 without artifacts. So its not that the memory is crappy, its just designed to work hand in hand with core volage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
so you're saying that the XL is on par with stock XT clocks and can even be better than the 7800GTX?? (or the GT?)
Yes, I have the Zalman VF700CU here waiting for it that I previously bought for my x850xt.
If the XL is really that good, then I'll wait till they're on sale for <300, may be @ the end of this year or early next year :)
349$ Damn, here in Norway it costs 434$. :fact:
Lucky bastards ;)
Hey Astennu, why don't you try this and see how your card fares at these settings as you seem to have the most amount of problems with your card. Dnottis is back on stock cooler with stock volts and is 100% artifact free and stable at 560/550. See if your card can do that. Instead of striving for XT speeds right off the bat plus voltage increases on early and somewhat buggy software see what your card can do stock as his is clearly doing well. I am striving for the same thing when my card arrives as I was told it just shipped today. 560/550 is nothing to sneeze at with this more efficient design of the X1800. Most if not all games should play beautifully like this. If I could at least do this stock volts I would be happy. Anything else will be a bonus but I will be going ceramique and zalman from the get go.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
on the official site it says pure copper :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
I have done some modest testing with my X1800XL on my temporary setup:
Prescott 3.0 E0 @ 260fsb
P4GPL-X
1GB RAM
X1800XL
Unfortunately my SATA disk dies at anything over 260FSB on this P4GPL-X board so I was stuck with a very old Seagate 5200RPM disk (annoyingly slow).
I achieved these clocks so far:
Core: 630
Memory: 620
Idle temp is 39-40C with a pretty warm room temp & 1.6V on my CPU which is thus generating a fair amount of heat, but my radiator is doing a good job keeping it cool.
The X1800XL is also watercooled and is setup on the same loop as the CPU. I can increase the voltage to over 1.3V but my tests show that it likes 1.250V on the core. I can play all games and benchmark applications without a problem.
With this crappy motherboard which is restricting my CPU overclock my 3DMark '01 score was close to 26730. This was while using my 5200RPM Seagate disk because the SATA-disk would die instantly at 263FSB...The motherboard was really hard to get to 270FSB and it was not stable at all at that speed, so all benchmarks was run at 260FSB (super-stable).
I have already ordered a DFI Lanparty UT Crossfire RDX200 CF-DR and it will be here by monday. I won't be able to use it before I find a good Opteron...But atleast the new system is on the way and when it is here I will be able to push this X1800XL far more than I have done now.
I think it did rather well considering the system I am using it with. I bet it will thrive with the new motherboard and coupled with a Opteron @ 3Ghz :)
I'll get back with details when my setup is done. Everything is fixed except for the CPU and it will probably take two weeks to get it.
-k0nsl
thats what I thought. it would silly for their highest priced GPU cooler NOT to be better than a lower priced model.Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
and from reading about how sucky the GTX cooler mod is on the XL, (I thought it would be), i think this fatality model from zalman is the way to go unless water is used.
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Originally Posted by cantankerous
is ceramique better than AS5? why?
ceramique is non conductive, it also is much better for subzero operation, other then that its about the same.
Well finally :) Been following this thread for a while and was trying to post all day but had to wait for account activation. Anyways here is what I wanted to post.
Well im new over here but since theres been so much talk on these forums about the X1800XL I had to sign up and give some results that I had. I have a sapphire oem card, bought from newegg, and using the crappy overclocking tool. I really can't wait til ATITool gets released.
First heres some pictures.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27...an20/Test2.jpg
Thats right fugger exact same core as you.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27...an20/Test1.jpg
All air, got the FS-V7 cooler. Whats not in the picture is I added a 120mm fan thats at an angle blowing up at the card from below. Its wedged between the power and the sound card which I moved down a slot. And removed the 3 back plates on the back to let it exhaust through there also.
Heres the system
Motherboard -------- DFI LanParty Ultra-D (704-2BTA Bios)
CPU ----------------- X2 3800+ @ 2,507.5Mhz w/ 1.525V Bios / 1.488V Windows
Memory ------------- Crucial Ballistix PC4000 (2x1Gig) @ 295FSB w/ 3-3-3-8 timings @ 2.8V
Cooling ------------- XP-120 w/ 120mm ThermalTake 27C Idle & 39C Load
Harddrives --------- 2x 250Gig Hatachi’s (Not Raided)
Graphics Card ------ Sapphire X1800XL 641.25/801 (1.25/1.95V) using FS-V7 Cooler 3D Marks (05) 8,933 / (03) 16,678
Case ---------------- Antec Super LanBoy
PowerSupply ------- OCZ PowerStream 520W
Monitor ------------- Dell 2405FPW LCD 24" Of Pure Enjoyment
Running XP w/ SP2 and I'm using 5.11 Beta's the latest one I could find 8.183. And I can not get CCC installed for some reason, even the 5.10a's, or even the CD version, really strange.
Well onward to test results, I have more on paper at home but this is what I've done so far. There has to be something screwy with the bios on this or even the early beta drivers because there is some issues.
500/500 (05) 7214 (03) 13702 (01) 26044
600/675 1.2V/1.9V (05) 8336
627.75/747 1.25V/1.9V (05) 8603 (03) 16079
641.25/801 1.25/1.95V (05) 8933 (03) 16678
Sorry was mainly running 05 test because if I had issues in that, it showed much quicker then the other tests, and it was much easier to judge frame rates to what I should be gettting (the last OC I just ran out of time it as late otherwise I would of done a 01 test too)
Now I can't get higher on the Core, either with more voltage or just clocking it up. Now if i bump the core up to say 650, it crashes in 05 nature test, but if I up the core it crashes most of the way through the test on that one. Memory its the same thing im in a sweet spot, 1.9V artifacts, 2.0V it artifacts, upping the clock artifacts. There has to be some issue because I'm sure this has alot more life in it.
Overall if core is unstable it locks the benches up hard. If its a memory issue I get a semi checkerboard type pattern, just extremly small from what I've seen with past cards. To high voltage its a colored pattern, to low its a black pattern which quickly turns into highly destored textures.
Now I don't think its really heat related issue but more of a driver/bios problem then anything. Since I don't have CCC (kept getting some wierd network error with it) I can't tell the temps on the core, but just seeing what others where getting at least gives me a ball park figure. My heatsink was reading 44C's at its high point with a thermal sensor, in tests mainly the hottest it got was the 05 nature test. Games it got up to 46C max so thats why I don't think its really a heat related issue.
Oh one other to add to the pile this was a benchmark in fear.
Fear @ 1440x900. During the testing, I got these scores, everything at max, and 4x AF, no AA. 39min, 62 Avg, 116 Max, 2% between 25 and 40, and 98% above 40.
Fear @ 1920x1200. During the testing, I got these scores, everything at max, and 4x AF, no AA. 22min, 37 Avg, 71 Max, 3% below 25FPS, 62% between 25 and 40, and 35% above 40.
Now the high res one, well that ran better then my old X800Pro (w/ 16pipes) @ 1280x720 Totally amazed with the preformance of the card.
So your saying that i should go back to stock cooler + stock voltages ? I have tryed all kinds of thing now. I will try some things on stock voltages. Else i could try stock cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
WTF is this???
Windows startup
"Unable to retrieve information from BIOS. Please report to developer about your board.
And 2 unknow devices in hardware manager ...
Iam using ATI 5.10a ...
Thanks
Hey Deathman20, thanks for posting your finds and welcome to the forum friend.
Finally someone else who is using the FS-V7. That is what I ordered with my card as well. Is it loud at full speed? Do you run it at full speed? What thermal compound did you use on the card?
Is your settings of 641.25/801 (1.25/1.95V) completely stable? Artifact and crash free? Just trying to get an idea of what to shoot for with my card. Some peoples are doing very well but a few odd people here are having a real hard time clocking this thing. I think your clocks are the best we have seen in these X1800XL forums from air, especially if it is 100% stable and artifact free.
Thanks again and please share any info you may have on how you got your card to what it is.
Thanks :) Now more fourms to keep busy on when I'm at work heheQuote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Full speed na its not loud imo. Then again the rest of my system doesn't have the quietest fans in the world but they run at 7V also Some 120mm Thermaltake Light ones, anlong with 1 120mm Antec light extra for the video card. I used AS5 on this, and I get mixed results with temps. Since I don't use CCC right now I use a thermal probe. Its off by about 10C on temps but the max I got it to was around 56C one time, that was before I added the extra 120mm fan.Quote:
Finally someone else who is using the FS-V7. That is what I ordered with my card as well. Is it loud at full speed? Do you run it at full speed? What thermal compound did you use on the card?
Well thought it was, did 05 and 03 bench, did some playing on Fear and HL2 Lost Coast but 01 crashes. Then after further tests it crashes a bit more. Truely there has to be some sort of bios bug. I can hit 575/700 rock solid but if I want 600 I got to bump the voltage up quiet a bit. Ram seems to do well it scales very well with the core voltage, so you really don't have to touch the mem voltage at all, in my case it caused artifacts more times if I increased the voltage more then .05V.Quote:
Is your settings of 641.25/801 (1.25/1.95V) completely stable? Artifact and crash free? Just trying to get an idea of what to shoot for with my card. Some peoples are doing very well but a few odd people here are having a real hard time clocking this thing. I think your clocks are the best we have seen in these X1800XL forums from air, especially if it is 100% stable and artifact free.
I'm doing a little bit of other testing currently also and marking down what works and where it crashes a little better this time. But might have to wait a day or two, putting up dry wall at the same time so I'm doing this inbetween sheets.
BTW does anyone have a different bios for the Sapphires yet? Curious to what a different bios will handle, expecially if its an XT bios.
Ok some quick results I came up with. The format wil be like this
(Core V/Mem V) (Core Speed/Mem Speed) (01) Score (03) Score (05) Score
A dash is when I didn't test it.
(1.1/1.9) (500/500) (01) 26,269 (03) 13,702 (05) 7,214
(1.125/1.9) (575/750) (01) distorted memory too high (03) - (05) -
(1.125/1.9) (575/700) (01) 27,208 score seems odd (03) 15,555 (05) -
(1.15/1.9) (600/700) (01) crash (03) - (05) -
(1.15/1.9) (600/650) (01) crash (03) - (05) -
(1.175/1.9) (600/700) (01) crash (03) - (05) -
(1.2/1.9) (600/700) (01) - (03) artifacts more core v needed (05) -
(1.225/1.9) (600/750) (01) - (03) vpu recovery (05) -
(1.25/1.9) (625/750) (01) - (03) vpu recovery (05) -
(1.175/2.0/2.0 I/O) (600/700) (01) - (03) artifacts (05) -
(1.2/2.0/2.0 I/O) (600/700) (01) - (03) artifacts (05) -
(1.3/2.0/2.0 I/O) (650/775) (01) - (03) crash (05) -
(1.325/2.0/2.0 I/O) (650/775) (01) - (03) core artifacts (05) -
(1.3/2.0/2.0 I/O) (625/775) (01) - (03) core artifacts (05) -
(1.275/1.95/2.0 I/O) (625/775) (01) crash (03) 16,176 (05) - (tried again after 01 crash now crashes when doing so at same settings)
I'm going back to my low voltage 575/700 and doing some more tests and see what I can come up with.
Now there is something totally messed up a as you can see. Take a look at those Vcores go up with the slight increase in speed. And this is definatly not a heat issue, bearly reaching 47C under load! 34C is idle. Room/case temp at idle is around 24C currently.
Also I've come to the conclusion I really have to sit next to my desk when doing the 01 test. Sometimes it rests the core to default but continues the test, thats nice at least sometimes I don't currupt the DirectX driver and have to restart :)
Really not 100% what the hecks going on. One time it works the next time it doesn't when I set it. Either the drivers are bugged up, the bios is messing with it, or overclocker tool is screwy :(
Anyone got a newer version of ATI tool besides 8 that you can OC/Temp Read/Up Voltage in?
Take your time but please do share your findings. Thanks again. Glad to have newcomers like you around.
I got the same problem. My max now is 1.175v - 2.0v And 550-750. Else i get artifacts in Q4. I need to test i a little more but its realy a bad card.
I also got A Sapphire. I'm using a His bios now but that did not help. Maybe i need a hardmod. If u go higher than 1.175v i get artifacts anyway :\ strange realy strange.
"This beta includes WHQL certification and support for all Radeon cards except of the all new X1000 series"
Hmm, maybe I'll try it anyway ;)
Lol i deleted the msg just when i found out, think you posted at the same time.
I don´t understand my x1800xl.
I ran HDR demo (balls flying) for 20minutes at full screen, the core was running at 628mhz 1.225V, no problems and the temperature was 66º )iam using VF700Cu ;)
Then i stoped it and when i went to run the 3dmark2005, it just crashed!! WTF!
Anyway, anothe weird thing, at 600 core with 1.15V y run 4!! times the FEAR benchmark, and during the last one it crashed :nono: :(
I will try more later, by the way. My bios, its a sapphire Bulk x1800xl:
Core:
N21311.00
0536AAY
Bios --> HERE
By the way, i think the card works awesome at 575/1200, and the mem can go much higher than 1200mhz.. for 383€ it cost its a good card, it works colder than my 6800Ultra with the same heatstinks (VF700Cu) and its better of course.
See you
Hi Hitmaker,Quote:
Originally Posted by HitMaker
What utility did you use to backup your BIOS?
I used the "old" atiflash :D using this command "atiflash -s 0 backup.rom"Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
The thing is i have a problem with my drivers, "PnP Bios Extension" is missing and i cannot run ati tray tools, it gives me an error (say something about my mobo bios :confused: ) so i cannot compare it with a sapphire x1800xl regular bios i downloaded from mvktech :(
Strange!!! all sapphire users have bad oc. If u look @ HiS or GeCube its something else. Most will go 1.25v without problems en get core speeds up to 625+. My sapphire will only go 550-750. Memis nice for now but that core sux ass. My X850 XT PE was faster in some cases.
Hi all...
new ati x1800xl user here:)
Wb on gpu,first 3dmark score(i think this crd can do much better),relax system overclocking;)
http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/9452/92796ep.jpg
Well now definatly stable with this setting.
585/750 with 1.15/2.00/2.00 V
(01) 27,479
(03) 15,692
(05) 8,342
All benches pasted in 1 boot, and played a 2 hour game of AOE III :)
astennu, don't mean to get on your back but theres what, 3-4 users with bad clocks on sapphire cards in this thread, not at all are ALL sapphire's bad clockers and tbh someone will come in this thread read that and pass info in other threads and make it seem like lots more people have the issue.
mine works fine, completely fine at beyond XT speeds.
for me it seems strange that the 2-3 users that have "bad" sapphires were easily able to run stuff at much higher speeds but now have stability problems. people say heat isn't an issue because its only 47C or whatever, no one knows the actual temp, who says the temp "fix" drivers aren't just dropping temp to make people feel safer, they might still be 90c, might be what they are designed to run at. not have artifacts/sparklies, and on 3rd/4th run of tests crashes or sparklies appear to me says straight away heat. cards can't just run for a while fine then start doing something new for no reason(ok they can but rare).
also people here all seem to have overclocked rigs, has everyone set everything back to stock and just testing gfx card. it might not use that much more power or even less than certain older cards but it might use a lot more 12v than it used to , or more 5v, and it could be affecting something. drivers are unlikely to be the cause for sparklies developing after time, but could certainly be at fault for other crashes and locks.
also the amount a few of you have had to drop clocks to get it stable from where it "would" run, for instance deathman20 from 641/801 bench passing to 585/750 stable, that just seems completely wrong, far to large a gap between bench passing and stable clocks, something else to me is screaming to be found at fault.
as far as cards go, as with any new release, and 90% of all cards built they tend to get built at same source, distributed, repackaged, sometimes re-bios'd then sold. even when they are built by companies themselves(very rare) then it costs a lot of money to build/design/re-design and re-design pcb's so they will generally change pcb colour or something and thats about it. there should be no difference at all between the diff cards.
what drivers exactly is everyone using, fresh install? anything else that could be interfering at all? anyone trying to use ati tool for anything, it will show sparklies even when there aren't really any in any games. what about leaving the oc tool open, it messes with ati control panels readings clearly, temps will show diff with the oc tool open and closed, so are you making sure to close it for bench runs and ati control panel too?
so many things to check and way way premature to call sapphire bios/cards to be at fault yet, especially seeing as i and others have them clocked fine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
blah, dont say that! Your having percieved problems with your Sapphire, not all. My saphire is just fine @ 628/1550.
I have the OCZ PowerStream adjusted pots - getting 12.40, 5.10 and 3.40 @ load and doesn't drop lower than that. So I doubt it's PSU power in my case. I believe it's cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkenmaster
Nice one ilg :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by ilgreco1974
I wish I could figure out how to run my core over 700Mhz.
Can you possibly do more than one completion of each bench test? Maybe 5 plus? What about playing another game for 2 hours other than AOE III?Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
Thanks for the info though, im taking notes on all these speed/voltage settings to see if they will duplicate on my card when it finally arrives.
Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
..buy an X1800XT! :D
Got mine coming!
I have seen the problem in Q4. Not in HL LC or other games. Now its clearly Q4. And its only there When i raise my clocks above standard.
CAn someone post a pic of hist sapphire card that can do more than 1.2v ? I have seen XL cards that have only 5 power bloks sitting next to the red heatsink. @ mine one is missing. XT cards have all the 6 power blocks. Macci was also saiying that he would need a hard mod to go above 1.4. So my hope is on the hardmod now. I hope that could work for me ass well. I'm gonna do a totaly fresh install as soon as the 5.11 drivers are here. They sould be here in a week or so ?
I did 3 more tests heres what I got, all was done in 1 boot but going from 01 to 03 to 05 back to 01 and such through the testsQuote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
585/750 with 1.15/2.00/2.00 V
(01) 27,532
(03) 15,634
(05) 8,381
(01) 27,479
(03) 15,789
(05) 8,331
(01) 27,329
(03) 15,843
(05) 8,299
(01) 27,432
(03) 15,724
(05) 8,362
All done on 1 boot. FYI this is a fresh install only a week old when I got my new system. I am playing with more options now since I know where it sits at least stable.
Oh ya played a 5 hour game of AOE @ 1920x1200 res with everything cranked today (multiplayer). Ahh so much fun, worked without an issue. Now I'm back at my place and seeing if temps really affected the OC being in a slightly cooler climate.
Yup I see what you where saying with the power blocks, as soon as I saw it I finished my post and took some pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Missing 1 Pulse PA0511.101NL 0513-Z China, Looks missing the 7 capacitors 3 different types of 2 caps and 1 other cap. Looking at both sides of that heatsink.
Oh and just took a closer look at this post http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=106
macci only has 5 power blocks also. But I do see one thing missing on our boards. Some pins over by the DVI connectors.
Heres the 2 pics
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8...02947fi.th.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2...02957hc.th.jpg
Off someones dead X1800XL... didnt Fugger crack the core on his! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
Hehe, i changed my commit after seeing Macci's XT card, he doesn't have those on his card either so that leaves a question still, what does ATI have up its sleave with some more power?Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
hmm it looks like the solder on both ends is present so attaching one of these may not be so hard afterall. If it was attached is there wiring/traces leading to and from it going anywhere else on the card?
GHZ, why arent you using the driver heaven tool ??
Perkam
Ya I have no clue why that happened. I havn't figured out why yet but I'll try too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkenmaster
Maybe this has to do with the faulty/missing metal layer that prevented it from scaling higher than 600mhz?Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
Whats this? First time hearing this part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
I'm afraid there isnt a lot of truth to that. XL has same core as XT, just different cooler. As time goes on, 700/700 with an artic silencer should be a snap, for about $200 less than an XT which is 625/750.Quote:
Maybe this has to do with the faulty/missing metal layer that prevented it from scaling higher than 600mhz?
Perkam
Ok I got to ask this question. When testing does anyone know what tests seem to crash or do VPU recovery more then the others?
I know that 01 for me seems to be the pickest and I mean REALLY picky. If 03, 05 and rthdribl show no articats/crash during any of the tests mean something?
Anyways just ran a some new tests all done with 1 reboot and done one after anohter in the order shown.
1.25/2.0/2.0
(05) 8,599 & 8,542
(03) 16,002 & 15,988 & 16,012
(01) VPU Recover! Again and again, im really not starting to like anything that 01 gives off as a test anymore.
This time the testing seems to be closer togeather point wise, then my other test I posted earlier. Also I'm trying to keep memory out as being a factor in the tests so I just left it at the 750 speed I had previously. Just now I'm really starting to question the ligitamacy of 01 benches though. Maybe its other hardware interfering with it, maybe it happens to be some things im running in the background or something but its really getting to me, and at this rate, I'll just stop using 01 as a benching and us 03, 05 and rthdribl as my main ones for testing.
I've only seen one XL @ 700Mhz core. I have tried everything to get mine there, just won't do it even running loaded @ 10-15° under pelt. It does 661 on air and 668 on the pelt. If I hadn't seen one XL running 700Mhz I'd say ATI BIOS locked the XL's because they do have the same core as the XT.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
One thing is for sure the BIOS is setting clock limits because we see very different speeds available in Control Center between these cards on the same driver.
Yeah tis strange that XL's also lack the cap. May be its there for the R580 ? But i have seen pictures of cards that have all 6 of them.
Also my card artifacts in Q4 on standard Clocks + standard cooler. So i'm gonna try returning it.
If u whant to stress test. Use HL LC HDR. Or other HDR games. Q4 was also fine. And ATi Tool render window realy kickt out the crap of mine card. That ons did stress the card like no other game did. Only u can't use artifact scanning that just is not working on R520 cards. And u can try rthdribl_1_2.
XL cards could run 700 if you can upp the voltage to 1.3v. And cool it propperly like the XT stock cooler would do. I hope i can get a new card that is not as buggy as this one was......
Well before I went to work I wanted to test again to make sure those settings work so I ran 2 tests of 05. First one had a VPU recovery on the nature one, and the second test crashed 05.
This is very strange, very strange indeed, last night it worked but this morning it didn't :( . All voltage rails are solid, CPU is a rock as well as the ram with over 24 hours Prime and Memtest, tested.
So the cat's out of the bag, lets see those under pelt scores, GHZ :p:Quote:
It does 661 on air and 668 on the pelt.
Deathman, YGPM :)
Perkam
This is my atempt on oc the X1800XL.
It is on stock air cooling.
Wouldnt 05 run?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbo
too much heat from the card so I tid not try to run 05.
Prehaps later tonight when it gets colder outside.
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640/1500 with sapphire X1800XL, all benchmarks works with no problem, except with test Wings of Fury in 03 hangs, all other tests works heh. 8837 in 3D Mark 05
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AMD Opteron 144 @ 2800, 311x9 1.57V, Thermalright XP-120, DFI NF4 Ultra-D 603-3, NF4 Cooling w/Freezer, 1GB Mushkin PC4400 DCH, Radeon X1800XL + Zalman VF700Cu
I will post my results tomorrow when i got mine piece of sapphire too
Got sapphire piece too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbo
No it´s a Gecube.
Nicely done OC. If he could pump up the ram to maybe 775 that should take him over 9k in 05. I know I hit 8,933 with 641.25/801 on my system.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
Got some Q's if you could ask him...
1) What voltages is he running that at?
2) Is that stock cooler on there?
3) Can this speed be reached right after a cold boot? Theres a few of us that seem to have this issue of going right up to speed after a cold boot. I'm just curious if it happens to him also.
4) What drivers are ya using?
Otherwise keep us up to date and best of luck :)