I think theyre to do with different TV in/out formats tho im not sure, ppl feel free to correct me if im wrong.
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I think theyre to do with different TV in/out formats tho im not sure, ppl feel free to correct me if im wrong.
using the overclock tool i am at 648 core and 621 mem and I get 8670 in 05 :D I am trying to get them mem higher, I tried 650 and got artifacts, I just downloaded the newer version of the tool and I will try again.
What processor are you running now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
what kinda cooling, stock?
its nice to see someone else put out something besides having to wait for ATI Tool.
Yes stock cooling. I am at 654core and 621 mem and get 8743 in 05. Temps hit 75c so I think I will stop there until I get better cooling. Mem doesnt seem to want to go higher, but I think its heat related and might be better when I remove the stock hs.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
Thats sweet! Brand? Im just hoping my sapphire will do 600/600 stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
Get the fan to run 100% always, that will definately help :)
I haven't seen a single X1800XL that did lower than 625/650 or so, so 600/600 is easy pickings.
u sure hope so cause i sold my 7800 GT which did 500 core 1220 mem (fast as GTX) to get the x1800 xl. At 600 core it will perform like the GTX and beat it in some cases. I just dont wanna lose performance. Ill know in like 18 hours when fedex guy comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
Any of you guys try changing the thermal paste on the stock heatsinks for maybe a few degrees lower temps? I plan on putting ceramique on the core and ram to net a few degrees difference I hope over the stock gunk/pads. I would love to get over 600/600. I have an X800XL right now which is ok but playing on my dads X850XTPE is real sweet. Would be nice to have an X1800 run a little faster than that in my system.
BTW, new OMEGAs based on 5.10a are out with full support for X1800 card plus tweaks to the card that are found in external tools/betas. No voltage selection though but AAA/HQAF as well as memormap tool are included I believe if anyone wants to play.
Hehe a little PR from ATI:
http://apps.ati.com/ir/PressReleaseT...leaseID=772964
Were you able to run any benchmarks at that speed or was that a Windows stable shot???? Anyway that is still hella fast with no artifacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Just a Windows shot in 2D.Quote:
Originally Posted by cooter
"...with maximum system stability and no visual artifacts." :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Now of a sudden, MHz matters? :p:
Do let us know sampsa when THAT board arrives at your doorstep ;)Quote:
"Once faster GDDR-4 memory arrives next year, users can expect to see the hidden potential of ATI's innovative new memory controller"
Perkam
I just got my card yesterday, brought my card to work, and swapped it into my lab pc. Installed the latest omega drivers, and using the overclocking tool I reached 600/600 with stock cooler, no artifacting while running rthdribl maximized on a 1600 x 1200 desktop to stess my card. The highest temp i've seen so far is 69° w/ fan at max speed. (with the card at stock settings, the temps reach this high as well w/ auot_fan_speed control on the card).Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Edit: disregard my results for now - my lab PC is not setup for OCing ;p
very nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Xtreme Legend :toast:
http://www.3dchips-fr.com/actualites...clockeurs.html
Nice going Sampsa! Saw the press release on businesswire....
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...17&newsLang=en
:woot:
NOw only if you got some 3d at those speeds!
:toast:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diverge
hey , try upping the core voltage a bit, it should go higher than 600. same for mem.
Yeah, i gotta play around with it more, but i actually have some work to do at work today lol. so i can't atm. The first time i ran 600/600 i bumped the vcore up one notch w/ the overclock tool, and a few mins of running rthdribl my screen went black and paused (like it was changing resolutions), then came back to what seemed like normal. I didn't notice at first, but during that time the overclock tool crashed, so at that point it was back to stock speeds... so basically my temps were not at that actual speed. I'll have to play more when i get home later :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
PS, sorry for the thread hyjack ;p
Edit: i was using everest ultimate edition to read temps, and was looking at wrong icon in the systray - those were my pcu temps lol... damn intel P4 500 3.4Ghz cpus run hot! that explains the crashes i guess
well your not the first to talk about the black screen when overclocking this card. Someone else mentioned this happening last week when he overclocked his XL. I suppose it may be VPU recover kicking in due to the stress and/or heat of the card under that speed .
Yes I get the black screen for several seconds too when overclocking with the Driverheaven tool
the screen going black is normal i think. I dont have any ATI software installed and I still get it.
Firstly well done Sampsa :toast:
I just recieved my XL today .. encouraged by the many who said theirs clocks well, and mine seems to run benchies at max CCC of 575/550 quite happily on stock cooler/volts.
But that cooler fan is a bit noisy for me, I noticed some Zalman clips holding Fugger's waterblock on, and wondered if he could tell me if they were from the 700 gpu cooler, and if so does it fit the XL card ?
Hopefully when the new ati tool is released I can join the ranks of XT clocks .. on a decent air cooling solution :banana:
The zalman vf700 fits the x1800'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
I can confirm that it fits the XL card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
-k0nsl
my XL from actbuy came in today. So far im at 600/1400, and i still think i can squeeze some more out of it. im gonna go eat and then play with it some more. I wish I had the beta ati tool cause CCC says my temps are 0'C ????
I like how ATI has released a monster of a GPU that can't be satisfied by the fastest memory available in the market.
Thats pretty crazy though. Definitely a huge milestone getting that 1000Mhz clock on a GPU.
So what causes these black screens? To me they don't sound like something that should be happening. At first it was mentioned it was only with the driverheaven tool but then another user states it happens without the tool or any overclocking. The other post from last week or so said they got this when overclocking with both CCC and beta ATI Tool. Weird and unsettling actually.
Thanks guys, that zalman might have to be ordered once I determine how far this card can go :)
Gunit, which tool are you using to obtain 600/1400 ?
The one listed earlier on in this thread only goes up to 520 in 3d for me, then resets ?
It gets funky with clock freq displays too, initially showing some ridiculous number :(
And yes, it turns the screen black for me too.
I e-mailed the ati tool author to ask about trying the beta, but no reply as yet.
this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=88559
and my final oc was 628/1550, 1.225/1.90
and yeah its crap how the wizzard only lets certain peeps use the latest ATI tool.
and im not convinced the zalman vf700 will best the stock ATI cooler on the X1800, maybe noise wise but I doubt it will cool better. the XL has a beefy copper heat pipe type cooler, its realy amazing to be honest.
Hmm we shall see .. its ordered ;)
TBH the HS might be good, but the stock fan is a bit feeble IMO .. and noisy ... the Zalman can push a lot more air and be less noisy.
The other option is to take the plate off and fix a couple of quiet 80mm fans to the stock cooler ... I can't be doing with noisy fans :p
I have vf700Alcu. It cools about 6-8c better than the stock cooler idle and load. I think the all copper vf700cu is the way to go for a few more degrees c cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
oh ok, did u use AS5? are the ramsinks even worth putting on? if so, did u use the tape or thermal adhesive?
I don't know how Wizzard doles out the beta, but if I authored a prog that can manipulate voltages I'd make very, very sure the bugs were ironed out before handing it to the general public. Without knowing how or why Wiz makes his decisions, I wouldn't knock him.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
i made that comment before the tool at driverheaven came out, could care less about wizzards tool now.Quote:
Originally Posted by aMp
I'm glad you got a tool that works for ya, but you shouldn't knock W1zzard. ATi overclocking would not be where it is today without him. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
I agree, if he released it publicly and it was buggy he would get people complaining left right and centre, its his perogative.
He did mention he would give it to those that mailed him, so I did, but if he isnt happy to send me it then fair enough :)
The driverheaven one seem to go up to 520 and drop back down again for me once I click "more please" :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
well all of the peeps here who have it seem to be able to oc and change voltages just fine! But enough about that.
mine gets buggy at 648 and up, so im stuck at 628 for now.
LOL I noticed .. must be something stupid I am/or not doing :s
What do you use as an artifact tester ... or is it just your eyeballs ?
Right .. use keyboard not arrows :)
So no-were near the great Sampsa, but on a stock XL cooler with just 0.15v increase:
Slight bug in the temp report methinks somehow ... but :
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartflaster/Images/ooo.jpg
:D :D :D
Awesome Bartflaster. What make card do you have?
Woops ! Edited to say stock XL cooler .. not XT ;)
I have a HIS card, though I dont think it makes any odds right now ... all BBA I believe ... mine even says Built by ATi in CCC as vendor.
I know I sound like a broken record as I say this in every X1800 thread but im mainly concerned with the Sapphire cards as that is all I can get locally. One bloke is stating he can barely get is core up to 520 with black screens. That worries me. I would die if I had a core like that.
is it cause if the difference in stock voltage between the xl and xt? :) 1.0v vs 1.3vQuote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
I thought mine was a sapphire, but it ended up being a BBA with just the Sapphire Alien sticker sloppily slapped on. i bought mine from actbuy.com. will do 628core and 1550 mem.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
that's what almost all sapphire cards are lol bba's with stickers on em :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
Yea, Sapphire is one of the mail builders for ATI as ATI themselves simply don't have the resources to manufacture all their cards on their own. I suppose I shouldn't worry to much as I just answered the question to my worry above lol.
As for that guy not being able to get higher due to voltage he said he has used the driverheaven tool and it didn't help him.
Was this the exact link to the card you bought gunit?
http://www.actbuy.com/details.asp?item=SA10X1800XL
Was it OEM?
no, retail card and accessories in brown box.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
ok thanks.
Ok ... now I have reached as far as I dare push .. stock cooler still:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartfla...mages/ooo2.jpg
damn. That is 100% stable and artifact free?
Nice OC :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
I can't believe u got those clocks only with that little volt. I had to bumb mine up more. :clap:
Cheers, yes artifact free as far as I could see, stable enough to do 2 runs at 05, but I didnt want to tempt fate so its back to stock ATM
the memory is pretty near max I think .. even 2v couldn't give me 565, and the core locked @ 675 2.25v, didnt want to push harder v on the stock cooler.
Basically it looks like I could run this 600/1400 24/7 with headroom, which I will be pleased about if thats the case, just need the new ATi tool so I can do a couple of hours artifact testing, and set clocks to boot if all is well ... or even a bios mod and flash once 24/7 stability speeds are decided ;)
Just after I decided to stop, the Zalman Cooler arrived:
Before:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartfla...ages/x18b4.jpg
A quick look at the core info:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartfla...mages/core.jpg
The stock HSF has 2mm thick thermal pads on the ram, that can't help matters.
thankfully the Zalman ramsinks have a very thin pad.
And the Zalman fitted:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartfla...s/x18after.jpg
And finally, In situ:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartfla...es/x18situ.jpg
Idle temp has gone down 7-8 deg, and load temp (running RTHDRBL) down 13 deg, even clocking it to 575/550 temps didnt exceed 60 .. they hit 70 @ stock with the same test. :D
And obviously nice and quiet now :)
sweet. :D
now OC that bad boy...again!
@Bartflaster
This just confirms it! All XL's thus far are exactly the same. Even core number are the same. These XLs are really awesome. Once u oc them they even better than a 7800GTX :p:
Nice cooler, but im waiting for the artic cooler :D
My temps don't go over 70 even when OCing to the sam speeds as yours. BUT, i am running the cooler 2 max revs and it makes alot of noise :slapass:
Congrats on the card.
did any modding have to be done to that zalman cooler to make it fit? Any cutting of fins etc or was it a no problem transplant? Can you hear the fan when on full?
Does the fan on the zalman attach to the power connector on the card itself or run from a header on the mobo? Excuse my ignorance just planning ahead here myself. Thanks.
Yep stock cooler fan kicked to full speed @ 70 and dropped the temp to around 68 running RTHDRBL, Zalman was running around 57.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
TBH I dont think the AC are going to be as good as the Zalman ... It cools the whole area pretty well.
Bolts straight on :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
From a molex with the supplied adaptor ... you get 4 plugs 2 for 5v 2 for 12v, I stuck it on 12v and put a fanmate in line, though I dont need it I discovered as its on full and I cant hear it over the CPU Zalman cooler @ 2300 rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
That appears to be the same date I have 0536aay. I can get the memory to 621 with core at 654. I think we got the ones with weaker mem controllers, But still nice overclocks. I also installed a zalman and it helps with the temps, but thats all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
so i guess lower temps dont yield a greater oc?
I have not tried raising the core yet. I have been concentrating on the memory, but I will give up on that(for now) and see just how high I can get the core. Any Ideas on the max I should raise the vcore? 1.5? 1.6? 2.2 :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
I think XT's are 1.3v .. so anything over on air maybe risky.
I have had 750 on mem and benched with no visible artifacts, but it hasn't got a lot more room ... I haven't tried since the zalman has been on though.
I got to 650 core with 1.2v ... 675 locked up on bench, but I hadn't pushed 1.3v yet.
As the temp readout in CCC breaks as soon as you use the overclock tool I don't want to try over 1.2v until I can monitor the temp.
TBH my reason for the Zalman was for quietness .. the fact it lowers temps a good amount is a bonus too :)
I have found if you close the overclock tool, the temps will read correctly again, and the overclock stays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
Cool. Good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
Yup .. good call :)
Still looks like no go @ 700 1.3v for me.
675@1.3 v was turning in 72 deg on rtdrbl thingie.
that wasn't stable on 1.225, so I think we are at ceiling for this card on air.
I think I might have a little more to come from the ram now it is cooled better though.
*EDIT*
Nope 775 is right about the limit for the mem .. just beginning to get artifacts visible at that speed.
Core tops out around 675 @ 1.3v ... I tend to like round numbers so I go up/down in 25 mhz jumps :p:
Happy with that TBH .. means a 625 @ 1.2v and 700 @ 1.95v should be a stable setting with some headroom.
From what I am gathering the gpus are quite hearty and can gain a nice oc from stock and most are the same. Not all cores are ever going to be identical however within a slight margin of difference in voltage either +/- you are able to get the same speed as your neighbour. The memory on the other hand seems to be a big difference between cards. Some getting as much as 700+ while others barely reach late 500 to early 600. Strange as well as it was suppose to be the cores that were flawed, not the memory. The ram on the card is good for 700mhz I think if you get less it is because of a weakened memory controller on the card and not the ram itself. Either way there is nothing you can do about that. Perhaps it was the memory controller that had issues in ATI's little manufacturing flaw.
if watercooled you could probably boost it at least 10% more without risking anything...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
Some notes:
Left fan unplugged for 20 mintues, message on screen the card was overheating and did not crash and no visible anomolies. I was not in 3D at all durring this time.
Both of my cards could reach insane speeds on ram.
Flashing XT bios did not help overclock at all, XL best with XL bios.
Mosfets get very hot, be sure to pay attention when overclocking.
Insanly durable cards, not completely impervious to moisture but I no harm caused by excessive condensation during operation. I had to shut down to scrambles but card was ok after dry out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Are yours retail or review samples? I cannot even hit the rated speed for the ram. :(
Mine are retail box off the shelf at Fry's
See told ya guys. :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
I'm just really surprised. If these cores are typically doing 625 at less than 1.3v what was the problem and why the new metal layer? Why the delay on the XT considering pretty much all of us are doing that with our XLs with normal air cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Yeah, since they can all run so great, why not sell them clocked higher? Maybe have the XL win some more benchmarks vs. the GT(X). Also, is hte 1800MHz on the mem for the XL that Fugger's been getting normal??? Or is he getting very lucky with the one's he's picking off the shelves?
I dont think he is using stock cooler or voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Another new card from Fry's with super cooled Zalman heatsinks 8K window AC blowing into side of case directly on video card. The rest of the machine specs are near at wr levels atm. I will be running 3D very soon.
First sign of visual defects in 2D. I cannot run 3D at this speed as I am overheating on the core to get this screen shot maxing out the ram.
I do not think the oc tool works correctly on the voltages. It does work realtime if you turn down core till your video card locks up but I dont think the memory voltages or IO voltage is working/reporting correctly.
Unstable, just showing early potential max clocks.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=39223
I forgot to mention WOOOT!! 1900Mhz on XL!
Ok .. at this point I am very pleased ... temp peaked at 72 with the zalman on running this test.
Dunno what throttle temp is ... but as stock HSF and stock speads were hitting 69/70 I think this is well within limits... no visible artifacts, and as far as I am going to take this baby :D
I think I am also being held back with "only" an X64-4000 @ 2604mhz and Cas3 ram.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartflaster/Images/wow.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
The OC tool works properly on memory but I have found that for me it only worked when I had NOT unlocked the OC settings in CCC and had pushed the core up to 1.2v. Outside of that the utility wouldn't change a thing.
Here's my experience with scores to show that both the mem and core clocks are working with the OC tool:
I was able to OC to 600/700 and the core and mem could probably go higher but I didn't test higher as that's enough for me (for now :D).
What I did:
Install:
(1) ATI Catalyst 5.10b with CCC
(2) Installed Catalyst 5.10 WHQL WDM drivers ONLY (not the Catalysts or CCC)
(3) Went into CCC and set a bunch of things the pertinent items being:
(a) Went into AA and deselect app control and then select Adaptive AA and then reselect app control (which keeps the AAA selected)
(b) Went into AF and selected HQ AF
(c) Confirmed that the overclocking utility is LOCKED
(4) Ran overclocker. Important notes:
(a) Any core clock over 550 was done by upping core voltage to 1.2v
(b) Any memory clock over 600 was done by upping memory voltage to 2.0v
Scores tested in F.E.A.R. 1.01 Patch
Resolution: 1280x768 [16:9]
Graphics: Everything max except no soft shadows. 2x AAA, 16x HQ AF
Sound: Everything including EAX HD selected
System:
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ at 2.4Ghz cooled by Scythe Ninja
2x 1024GB OCZ EL PC3200 DDR Running at 220 2.5-3-3-8-1T
ATI X1800 XL with Zalman VF700 Cu running at 5v setting with Zalman ramsinks
Audigy 4
ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 BIOS 1.30
Raptor 74GB
Silverstone 300W Fanless PSU
First clock is core/second is memory. The first line is min/avg/max and the second line is percent spent uder 25fps/between 25 and 40 fps/ over 40fps.
500/500 (stock)
31/49/96
0/36/64
550/600
33/52/102
0/28/72
600/625
32/57/113
0/13/87
600/650
35/57/112
0/13/87
600/675
35/58/112
0/12/88
600/700
37/59/119
0/12/88
Nice guys, keep the info coming :)
@ Bar81
I think the delay on XT's had more to do with the ram than anything else.Quote:
Why the delay on the XT considering pretty much all of us are doing that with our XLs with normal air cooling.
Guys, what Zalman cooler are u guys using? I don't want to sound like a noob, but is it safe to put Artic Silver on ram chips?
I have the Zalman VF700-ALCU.
Artic sliver is conductive, so it isn't wise to use it on ram chips, if some squeezes onto the pins ... (I think the newer AS may not be conductive , don't know for sure).
The ramsinks with the Zalman kit come with thermal tape, which seems to be doing a good enough job for me :)
Use Ceramique on the ram.
Have you run 3d on any of these cards yet? I'd rather see an average 3d run than screenshotting. SS on gfx is like digicam shots on CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
very very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
i want to see some 3d
I'd like to see some 3d as well. Hell even if its super p1 1m gfx stable would be nice :stick:
Heres my 3D. This is still with stock cooler.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=59
Nice stuff gunit :toast: but we wanna see FUGGER do some 3d as he has at least 3 cards and all we've seen are SS.
I wonder when we will see some crossfire scores ?
Not for ages if you are talking about x1800XT - the only ones available right now are Golden Review Samples (in fact I have yet to see a crossfire master) - Dont expect to see one before end of November at the very earliest.
Mav
My Card is a real pain in the ass. I got the zalman Vf700 CU on it + OCZ CU ram sinks. Tems are 65c stressed on 1.2v. But I can't go higher on voltage or i get lockups. Clock speeds don't matter. And @ 1.2v i can only get 590 max. Else i get Artifacts in HL Lost Coast. My mem can handle 800 when having 1.25v on the gpu but i can not run that for a long time. HL LC locks up in 2 min. I can run 3dmark 05. But also Q4 locks up. So i'm stuck on 590-750 Max for now :( i expected more of my card. But it seems i did not get a lucky card. Its the most crapy card i have seen on the internet. Most ppl can hit 600+ on 1.2v.
And btw 1.3v almost instantly locks up. It needs a max of a minute to do a nice lockup :\. Can anyone give me some tips ? starting to get desperate.
I can hit 600 core at 1.2v, but my memory will not do any better than 621. try to raise the core while limiting the memory to about 600 and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
I will. But last time i had no oc on the memory and i still could not use 1.25v. But i will tery higher core @ 1.2 with lower mem tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
heres something strange with the core. 600/1.225v I get artifacts. 625/1.225v I dont.
Sorry for the delay, I have been pre occupied on the RDX200 on the vapo and back on my Intel rig.Quote:
very very true
i want to see some 3d
Im on my better card with MCW-50 waterblock, the pelt was leaking and I took it out. Ill start a new thread starting at stock speed.
no XT yet, just XL.
Lol This is what i mean :D these cards are stange. Same :banana::banana::banana::banana: here with the lockups @ higher volgages and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
We need new drivers fast !!! :D
Owh and i tryed A higher core with mem on 600. got less artis @ 625 core with 1.2v But afster 2 min of play time it locked up again :( So that was also a no go...
The card may clock itself down because the artifacts are much worse at 625mhz than they are at 600mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
no, I ran fill rate test to be sure and 625 stays.
my bh-5 is like that, 3.3v and 200 is no go, but 250 is okay... odd stuff these computers, thats why i love new hardware, new mysteries to figure out.
Maybe the fan is running more at the higher speeds, if you're still on stock?Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
It really doesn't make any sense, so this is the only thing I could come up with, other than something to do with airflow, etc