7664 3dmark05 so far :cool:
7693 now. I am by far no 3dmark expert. I just installed it and ran it. are there any other tweak to be done?
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7664 3dmark05 so far :cool:
7693 now. I am by far no 3dmark expert. I just installed it and ran it. are there any other tweak to be done?
Well I am done screwing around for tonight and I stop at 7837 3dmark05.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
I am really excited to see the limits for CCC to be lifted as thats what is now holding me back. Thanks to w1zzard for his great work!
My take on this whole "efficiency" thing is this:
How long have the nvidia cards been out for? How long since they were designed? Well, can someone actually tell me how many 3dmarks they have gained when comparing the initial and final drivers for the 7800GTX? I would guess a lot. Drivers are really what determine the "efficiency" of a card. Wait for at least a few more driver releases from ATI that officially support the x1800, then do a comparison like that.
I would guess that the r520 (like the r4xx cards) is very bandwidth deprived. If you hold the GPU speed constant and up mem frequency, you would still see a significant performance increase. I know I noticed quite a difference when gaming by uping the mem freq. on my x800xl by only 20MHz.
Anyways, go sampsa go!
So, the moral of the story is wait for the price on this card to go down a little before you choose it over a 7800GTX? Just my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
Excellent news Wizzard :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
You have done alot for the OC community already, this is another feather in your cap.
W1zzard is the man on video card software! Respect to you W1zzard!!! Your a hell of a guy doing a hell of a great job!
So when will it released wizard for us mortals.
You can get it whenever you want but I'm guessing he'll keep tweaking it until these cards become more common.
The only moral is buy it if you want it :) For me, its a worth while purchase now as I only buy in B&M stores so its way cheaper than the GTX, and about the same as the GT. If I can not overclock near or above xt speeds, I would wait for the xt. For $100 more you get an extra 256Mb and higher clocks and a better cooler with the xt, but for some people even $100 is too much, so to get an xt after overclocking is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weee
i'm realy wondering whats the max of those XL cores. They use Ref 4 chips. And the XT cards use Ref 5 chips. ( without the softground issue ) Now we saw sammba's card go 705-704 with same voltages as the XT board. So i hope we have a non limmeted OC tool soon so we can see the real max of those XL boards.
I tried my Radeon X1800 XT yesterday with new BIOS which was supposed to fix the 860 MHz limit. Unfortunately it didn't remove the limit and there still seems to be some PLL related problems. I tried to set GPU to 950 MHz but there were some artifacts on screen and Winclk reported that GPU was running at 117 MHz. 3DMark05 fps was running like 5 - 10 fps. I hope I'll get a fix for this because I have 18 liters of LN2 here waiting :(
lol
i see only one solution for you brother -> give them to me :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
A shame with that limit. Hope you fix it soon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
I was wondering how high a GPU clock you think an X1800XT would need to match Shaminos GTX@810/1521, if the X1800XT was to clock it's GDDR at 1521MHz too? It seems to me that ATi has a clear advantage on the memory side of things..
I want to see some 3D01 scores :D
A record is only a record if you can keep it...sampsa wants to get these card ready for some prime ln2 ocing before breaking down the WRs ;)
If they fix it, the scores will come. :p: :D
Perkam
Sampsa have you tried powerstrip? It isn't nearly as good for benching but hey it should allow the card to clock up there.
Hehe.. well there is no tool available right now that can OC the x1800s except ATI's CCC. That only goes up to 540MHz right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by speed bump
But Sampsa and Macci have ATI's own ocing tool (which is not available to the public) and they hit a max on the card (BIOS can't set clocks any higher) of 860MHz.
Man that sucks having to keep us wait all this time. Let's hope that a newer BIOS could fix this and its not a limitation of the clockgen itself... I mean 860MHz is very extremely high.
so flash the cards bios to 900 core and it will stay, maybe
btw. insane clocks!
:woot:
I hope i get my XL soon. I think its possible to flash e XT 256 mb bios. Only now hope it can run that 625 core. I don't think that the 1.4 ns memory loves 1500 MHz :D. But its worth a try :P
All you need is better than stock cooling and the mystery oc utility ATI is working on atm...and that should be very possible.Quote:
I hope i get my XL soon. I think its possible to flash e XT 256 mb bios. Only now hope it can run that 625 core. I don't think that the 1.4 ns memory loves 1500 MHz . But its worth a try :P
The extent of the difference is in clockspeed, not in actual ddr speed. XL ram is rated at 1.4ns and XT at 1.26...both of which are capable of 700+ .Quote:
yeah the ddr clock speed differance from the XL to XT is crazy 1000mhz vs 1500mhz
The waiting should stop when the XT is released in first week of Nov...ideally.Quote:
Man that sucks having to keep us wait all this time.
Perkam
I think i'll scip the XL boards because of the bad cores and go for a XT. But the R580 will be here in Q1 06. Until that time that X1800 XT should me enough :rolleyes: But for the cooling. I think this time te stock cooler is better than a Zalaman VF700 of artic solution. The heatsing is huge. Its 2 of 2.5 CM in hight. And someting like 7 cm in with??. The X850 heatsink was only 1 cm in hight.
So i think that if u whant beter cooling u need H2O. Or zalman and artic sould build a new cooling with heatpipes or so.
Samba. What what is the total max of that XL board ? if u cool it with that LN2 ? I think the XT must get higher. Do to leakage in the softground in the XL core that prevent them to clock high. The max was arround the 550 point but samba already got 700-700.
a) who the hell is Samba? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
b) Atleast my Radeon X1800 XL didn't seem to suffer any issues. With a little voltage bump and better cooling GPU was running @ 700 MHz easily.. with even more voltage and better cooling (water) 800 MHz shouldn't be a problem.
...
Simba (;)), you say 800MHz is possible on water!? Hmmm....*Eric looks at CC.....Eric looks at availability....CC sighs a breath of relief*
Seriously though....do you know if your XL is from the new revision or not, Sampsa? If it's not, I wouldn't put it past good WC setups to attain 850MHz off an XT.
And Ubermann....what the heck is that picture??
Still no software to overclock this cards beyond CCC limit except winclk?
As there is others that has the XL but cant try how far they go.
Cant ATI release a clocking tool without the volt adjust ?
Voltage adjust has already been taken care of with ATi Tool B9 (available only through special request to W1zzard). The OCing tool that Sampsa and others are using right now is ATi internal....there's more than just "we don't want to give this to you" behind it, but Grayskull has hinted at a public version of it. Just wait a little bit, W1zzard should figure this one out in due time.
srry sampsa for the wrong name :D would you be so kind to post pictures of both your XT an d XL core ? so see the difference ??
IIRC, he said they looked the same to him (and I think he knows what to look for ;)).
So it had almost the same numbers on the chip ? Because the XT's i have seen had W15. And maccie had a W14 XT ( that was on the picture of the core )Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
So i'm realy wondering how we can see the diference between a R520XL ( Softground problem core ) And a R520XT ( Fixed core ). Because they are all labeled R520.
I thought I read somewhere that the softground issue was fixed before full production. I have aslo hit 575 core and 550 mem(limit of ccc) without any problems. I would love to be able to go higher though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
w1zzard as stated that ATI made it very complicated and thats why its taking him so long. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
The OTs just get weirder and weirder :rolleyes:
lol @ Samba...but pls read through the entire thread before asking for information. There were pictures of the XL and XT posted in this thread and in NUMEROUS reviews when the X1800 series was launched, see here for listing of reviews: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=75890 .
I'm assuming the oc utility will be released when the XT is launched...I dunno if Sampsa is waiting for the same date to start breaking WRs ;)
Perkam
NIce o/c there. Cant wait to see more with the XT.
You know? I have been following the X1800 releases pretty close, or so I thought cause I have heard nothing about any softground issue until the cards actually came out. I may have missed it but this sounds like a serious problem that I overlooked. Can anyone please explain exactly what this softground problem is and how it affects the cards performance/overclocking? Is this similar to the X800XL and why the overclock worth crap? Can anyone confirm that all released XL cores are in fact softground issue free and ready to go? I would love to get an XL as they are available now and cheap and should be much faster than my current X800XL however when I hear of any hardware issue that can't be fixed it steers me away. This softground issue is doing just that until I can be swayed otherwise that the issue doesn't exist. Thanks guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
It was some kind of leakage problem. What made the chips clock bad. when it was found it was fixed within 24 hours. By adding a extra metal layer te prevent leakage. The cores with this problem would max out neer 500 MHz. When ATi found the problem there where alteady chips produced. So those one will end up in the XL lines. And now all chips are fixed so newer XL board will have good chips that can clock sky high.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Cool then maybe mine is a new one because I am at 575 at the core already!Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
yea I was going to say, how do you know which chip you are getting. For all we know thousands could have made it off the line with this problem. I know with my luck I will get one of these chips. =/. If they clock near 500 max due to the leakage problem than anyone getting near 600 must have a good chip.
Wondering, anyone here have experiences with the Sapphire X1800XL cards? Those are the only ones available here in Canada atm.
I heared that the first R520 samples only Ran 490 MHz on the core. But u don't know if u have a bad one. The Bad cores would have problems with 625 mhz no matter the ammount of voltage you use. I could be that if ur are running 575 you will be able go get lets say 600. But then there is a wall u can't pass. U try voltmods and u still are not getting past that 600 mhz.
I don't know if its that kind of problem. I don't think there are manny softground problem cores.I think all cores from Argust and septemer are fine. but i don't know for sure. But ATi was aware that there was a problem so stopped production. Don't know exactly when what was. But we will soon find out when we have a non limmeted OC tool :).
I highly doubt ATI would have shipped out the cores with the bugs. I have heard of others that have the x1800XL and no one is maxing out anywhere near 490MHz (actually all of them have clocked to CCC max). So I can say I am 98% sure that all x1800XL available have the non-crappy-overclocking cores.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
Besides, ATI would have been quite stupid to not test something before mass producing :stick: :slap:
The weird thing is the default core is 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
Grayskull has informed me that neither the XL or the XT have any softgrounding issue and if the cores either A14 or A15, they perform the same...Hence the end of that discussion.
I'm sure (this is my opinion) that once the overclocking tool is released, the multiple no. of members that have bought an XL will see the true ocing potential of their cards...which can be seen in Sampsa's initial results with an XL (with the XT's cooler) running to 700/700 on air with no problems.
Thx.
Perkam
Well that is good news if NONE of the soft ground issued cores made it to the market cause the gamble is something I don't wish to take part in. I Could see ATI releasing them if they did 500mhz cause stock is the cards are guaranteed to do out of the box and anything else is a bonus. If 500mhz worked fine then ATI could sell it as so. I can't see them just throwing the softgrounded cores in the garbage but maybe they did?
If A14 and A15 perform the same what is the difference as surely there must be something that distinguishes one from the other. I just find 500mhz and 625mhz a huge jump in speed difference for someting that should be the same. If not than anyone with an XL will have an XT guaranteed once they add more voltage and start overclocking with a better cooler.
Precisely ;) Ppl just want the XT's 1.26ns of 512MB memeory vs the XL's 1.4ns 256mb.Quote:
If not than anyone with an XL will have an XT guaranteed once they add more voltage and start overclocking with a better cooler.
Perkam
If PowerColor or Connect3d start making XLs with 1.26ns memory... :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Probably would be so expensive that it lies between the XL and the XT and anyone who could afford it would just get the XT... :hm:
I would guess the A14 just means XL and A15 just means XT. Maybe they've been binned so that the XTs will hit higher speeds. Remember back when OCZ released the PC3200 VX, didn't they say the chips were binned to 240mhz. Maybe something similar is going on here? Just a thought :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Ok i will try A XL card then. Because a XT board will not be in the nederlands for a long time. And i whant to buy a R580 to so nice step between te two.
The stock of the 1.4ns mem is 714. Now i'm wondering on what kind of voltage that will be. My guess is the 2.1V that the XT will be running. the XL only runs 1.8 on the memory.
The core of the XL = 1.05 and the XT has 1.33. And i'm wondering how important is that memory speed. Lets say u have to setups one:
800-1500 MHz And
800-1750 MHz
Would we see like + 1000 Points in 3dmark 2005 and high games in ingame FPS ? or will it be like 100 points ? I realy don't have a clue. Mebe sampsa can test this one ??
hey dudes, It's my first post here :)
I saw this thread on google and i thought id drop in :) nice job sampsa! :)
ok now to the post:)
I'm thinking about getting a x1800 xl and moding it to a xt I am verry knowledgeable when it comes to flashing/unlocking radeon cards and i was wandering if any on you guys had access to the bioses that go to these cards (x1800xl/x1800xt)
another thing that would be usefull are the inf files for the drivers and the fuse data that you can see here:
Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
thx :)
ill be shure to stick around btw im not just passing through ;) ill let you guys know everything i learn :)
(Btw just incase you dudes are wandering lol i do know that there isn't anything to unlock in the xl to xt flash im just curious what the fuses say :))
this fuses data applies only to the X800/x850 series
oh realy :( humm.. something diferent now?Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
Btw, it works on the x700s also ;) (fyi)
http://www.overclock.net/showpost.ph...&postcount=141
(i think anyway lol.. :p: )
sean I think W1zzard would know as he is the guy who makes ATI Tool.
You two are talking about two different things (well, sorta--w1zzard is commenting on the SS you posted and the SS you posted has nothing to do with this). Currently ATi Tool cannot be used to OC an X1 series card. There's no X1800XTpe. Your SS has to do with whether or not a GTO2 can be modded to 16 pipes.
By flashing to an XT BIOS, you'll probably not be able to boot as it's unlikely your XL's RAM can run 1500MHz. You won't mod because there's nothing to mod. If you want to get higher core speeds--just OC and raise voltage in Windows but make sure your cooling can handle it.
Fuse data is useless right now as NO ONE has any retail XTs right now and only a select few have retail XLs and probably don't care about fuse data (why would it matter? to tell the differences between the cores? all current R520s are A14s).
From your other thread I can tell you're curious about unlocking something the X700.....not only is this not the right place for it but there's nothing to unlock :stick:
Anyway, carry on.
Oh, and :welcome: to XS!
yes i know ;) i wasn't disagreeing with him lol :toast: (i think you misinterpreted my post as being sarcastic ;) it wasn't ;))Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
ss?Quote:
You two are talking about two different things (well, sorta--w1zzard is commenting on the SS you posted and the SS you posted has nothing to do with this). Currently ATi Tool cannot be used to OC an X1 series card. There's no X1800XTpe. Your SS has to do with whether or not a GTO2 can be modded to 16 pipes.
gto2?
that xtpe was a typo ;)
I do realize that the xl has 1.4ns and the xt has 1.2 ;) i plan on editing the bios for lower clocks all I'm after is the name ;) btw im doing this more to help out other people mod their cards than me ;)Quote:
By flashing to an XT BIOS, you'll probably not be able to boot as it's unlikely your XL's RAM can run 1500MHz. You won't mod because there's nothing to mod. If you want to get higher core speeds--just OC and raise voltage in Windows but make sure your cooling can handle it.
yes i know its usless as there are no 12/<12 pipe r520s planned i was just wandering what it said ;) and besides as w1zz says there isn't fuse data ;)Quote:
Fuse data is useless right now as NO ONE has any retail XTs right now and only a select few have retail XLs and probably don't care about fuse data (why would it matter? to tell the differences between the cores? all current R520s are A14s).
that wasn't me in the thread and yes i know i already told him there wasnt anything to unlock ;) i was just showing w1zz that that dude got fuse data of his x700 (or so it looks..)Quote:
From your other thread I can tell you're curious about unlocking something the X700.....not only is this not the right place for it but there's nothing to unlock :stick:
thank you :)Quote:
Anyway, carry on.
Oh, and :welcome: to XS!
What I'd and many prolly like to know is how the XL does with its own cooler WITH the voltmod?
most likely rather poorly. The little aluminum XL cooler simply won't be able to dissipate the heat generate by overvolting an XL to XT levels and OCing it. If it could, thats what the XT would use, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
the xl cooler is copper with 2 heatpipes (fyi) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trakslacker
Quote:
Originally Posted by sean478
I'll be honest, I was unaware of that. However, the lucky few that have Xl's on the boards have reported very high temps when oc'ed.
So maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a bit of both. :p:
here are some pics :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trakslacker
the high temps i believe are cause if the small size of the fins/small fan/bad bios controll of the fan
Has anybody taken off the cover of the HSF and slapped an 80-90mm fan on it???
Hmmmm XT is taking to long to come out
Quote:
Originally Posted by -47-!
dude, it'll be available on November 10. Ati has already said that it will not be released before that date. Yes there is a delay, but at least we know exactly how long that delay is.
(Note: I understand that the XTs may not be truly available in retail on the 10th, and thats not what I'm say, so lets leave that out of the discussion.)
There was some info of a X1800LE. The X1800LE if it comes out may have the softground cores on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
BIOS bug. When fan forced to 100%, temps go to 60C or so iircQuote:
Originally Posted by trakslacker
That is a stupid bug:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
Put 99% and let it rip .
the 100% fan noise on my x1800xl is unbearable for normal use. okay for overclocking and what not its not too bad. smacking on a zally copper gfx sink and using the fan at 5v its still really hot but bearable noise. gonna stick it at 12v see what i get temps wise but the fan is pretty loud at 12v. just need an overclocking tool that lets me go above 575 and up voltages.