thanks Tony, looking very nice board :toast:
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thanks Tony, looking very nice board :toast:
1)Strong Rivalry here.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
2)If Nvidia isnt going to support ATI products in SLI, no reason for ATI to do the same. Besides both are different interface. Nvidia has no such thing as a "Master" card.
Its like saying Intel will make its chipsets compatible with AMD. Its just not going to happen. Intel leaves it up to the third party chipset makers like VIA and Nvidia.
On the AMD front, I guess its up to VIA to be the one to provide support for both ATI and Nvidia camp.
http://www.fcenter.ru/img/article/vi...Fire/63851.jpg
Here's another photo and this one has the CPU power regulation naked.
situman
Strong Rivalry here
Stronger rivarly in the graphics card market overall. If ATI cards didn't work in NF2/3/4 boards, it would be a MUCH bigger deal.
Besides both are different interface
Both need 2 PCI-E 8x slots and that's about it.
Nvidia has no such thing as a "Master" card.
And what does that have to do with anything?
Its like saying Intel will make its chipsets compatible with AMD
False analogy since I've been using nVidia chipsets with ATI cards for the last 4 years.
mmm ok
hopefully this power reg setup style will filter down to other enthusiast board makers, life would be so much simpler :cool:
Thanks for the linkie to the pic :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
I really like that Vcore solution :D
Yeap looks solid
I wish the red on that black was more like pink so it would glow under uv, heh. Even if it stayed the same color and just glowed under uv, that would be cool. xtreme oc'ing with bling factor is cool imo. bling gets the attention, oc's get the props. I always like doing both to my rigs. That being said, I prefer the white board. If not the white board, it should be red pcb with white traces. I want the bling factor! Don't make me spray my board with uv paint! :D
oh cmon Grayskull you must know something about the ETA? :)
I wanna know the ETA too , my DFI SLI-D is getting me mad
I'm willing to guess on the ETA:
ULi SB = late June/early July
ATI SB450 = August
Manufacturers should use the ULi southbridge to get these out the door earlier, and then rev the board when (I should say if) ATI fixes their SB450. But what do I know? :slap:
My will to wait is starting to fade. DFI NF4 + G70 SLI is starting to look bearable and will be available several weeks ahead of Sapphire Pure + R520 Crossfire Combo. I really prefer the ATI one, but after so many weeks without ETA, i am getting weaker by the minute.
Jaded and faded already I'm afraid.
Got myself a DFI and X800XL. The new machine is already setup and this will mean that the X2 has a home when it arrives and means I can play BF2 :D
I'll skip the initial iterations of the G70 and R520..
Hey there, why is your DFI making you mad? Cold boot issues? I have cold boot issues and thats why I am waiting on this board. I wish that they would hurry up and get it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by xs64
Yep , i have cold boot issue too :mad: , --> DFI :slapass: :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikesta
I wanna see ATI vs Nvidia right now :lsfight:
still no ETA ? :slap:
Not yet :mad: this is getting ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
What can we expect this beaut be priced at. approx
ETA is really dependent on Sapphire. ATI and grayskull only provides the chipsets, which they have. Now its up to Sapphire to push out the mobos. Email Sapphire if anyone wants an ETA on the board.
Its up to sapphire now, i have mailed them for info, just waiting for it to come back to me
Thanks bigtoe for your help (as always :toast: )Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
I too am about to make the change and an alternative to the DFI NF4 Ultra's would be very welcome (I have been looking at Epox)
Thanx alot dude........ :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Any updates
Where is ATI :slapass:
I know this is "xtreme" systems and many of you guys wouldnt be interested in what i want to know. But in the bios screen shots theres an "auto tuning" option for the cpu, how good is this feature BigToe?
this is getting kinda lame, starting threads about cool new products, and ETA nowhere in sight................
:bounce: ETA :bounce:
thanks ... look nice
No way we can blame bigtoe for starting this thread, i'm glad he did, very nice infos here and giving an ETA has nothing to do with him so blame Sapphire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Millyons
well it would be good for Sapphire to double check things to ensure they don't end up with vdimm/ram killing issue that DFI has - guess checking for something like that would need a long duration stress test ? :)
Word! As good as the Abit is, it still has bugs and it took a while for it to come out. Now Sapphire is taking its time to debug the board (hopefully) so us end users wont have too much of a headache overclocking. Instead of busy troubleshooting like people do on the DFI and to a much less extent the Abit, we can enjoy overclocking the damn thing.
i hope this new ati board would do 1T with Venice :)
Why should'nt it ??, most boards do now with Venice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
ok thanks... ;)
Considering probably 9 out of 10 "overclockers" (here) use some sort of DFI board today, they must be doing something right... :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
How about DFI ? Will they release the ATI chip before Sapphire ?? :hehe:
the DFI isn't killing things... :stick: please dont keep incorrect rumors going :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
EDIT: nvm, mis-read your question :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by xs64
I doubt DFI will come out with their offering before Sapphire because they are commited to using the 450SB chip. :slapass:
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
dude i didnt blame bigtoe, acctualy im not blaming anyone, its just hard waiting for it :) and specialy since i wanna see it before going 939 (since DFI is too expencive in my country)
http://www.fcenter.ru/img/article/vi...Fire/63851.jpg
I want it baaaaaaad.
Can we please get this board on the market before the X2 is outdated... AMD is going to be next gen before this comes out....
Or are they waiting for R5xx???
And it looks like solder pads between the PCIs, similar to the DFI?
Its almost end of June.......... :stick: Hasn't Sapphire said anytin yet......... :slapass:
:slap: :slap: :slap:
Sapphire takes to long time...
Now i have ordered myself an AN8 Ultra. Maybe i will change to a Grouper later if they perform as good as they look on paper.
I'm gonna have to go Ultra-d if I don't hear much more outta this.
Seems like ATI slow to a crawl these days.
It went all quiet i do admit, I have mailed Sapphire again and i will be mailing TUL also to see if they are producing any boards based on grouper design.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
I know the DFI crossfire is out in a few weeks and i have been promised a first look, so this may be the first true enthusiast option we see.
hang in there boys I will do my best to get some answers.
I know it's been said before, but Bigtoe, you are invaluable to the computer enthusiast community.
lestat has pics up of the DFI board in another thread
The problem for me is that first of all, i don't even got any ETA.. secondly even if it will come out soon, it will take a while before we see it in sweden i think..
So now i will go AN8 Ultra (already ordered). Then if Grouper proves to be a killer, i may be upgrading then. Right now i ordered a Venice 3k+, so then maybe it will be grouper + an X2 when they drop in price.
Great news about the DFI Crossfire, it's the one I'm waiting for anyway. But "a few weeks" is still pretty vague. It could mean three... four... five... six.... six weeks would put us in August. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Isn't this Sapphire's first attempt at an enthusiast/overclocking board? That might explain why it's taking them this long at giving an ETA. Or maybe they're being smart by staying quiet too. ;)
Bigtoe, while we wait did you bench the grouper against DFI, or could you?
I am def going to get the grouper board, MUCH better layout imo. if dfi added mosfet cooling capability + better power reg I would consider getting another board, don't get me wrong, my ultra-d is fantastic, but if there's a better board, I'll naturally get that. Dual core dothan, here I come, heh.
Thanks for keeping our hope alive Tony cos' from a consumer point of view this industry is acting pretty weird if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
I'd like to avoid the DFI russian roulette but maybe i'll have no choice so i'll be looking forward to your results with the DFI XFire, shouldn't be long now before you get yours.
For sure we'll be hanging there for a little while.
By the way, if there is a grouper collecting dust and eating up space on your desk, just send it my way, i'll pay the shipping :hehe:
looks great!
Hopefully the delay means they're putting more time and effort into tweaking it and making sure it works fantastically well straight out of the box. :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
When will the Crossfire edition Graphics cards be available? I'll bet this board becomes available about the same week or so, along with the crossfire version grouper (name?).
Also, look at this page on ATI's site:
http://www.ati.com/products/crossfire/buildyourown.html
watch the flash animation and notice that the graphics cards get plugged into the ASUS NF4 Intel edition board. HA! That's what you get for not giving you out-of-house developers good product images.
Looks like the ATI 775 board to me, same one i saw running at ATI when i visited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Tinker
you have experience using these boards im assuming...Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
what are the chipset requirements exactly? i.e. non ati chipset (via.. NF4 ;) ) requirements? it at all possible in any way for a non ati mobo?
Oh lordy help me ... I can see my second build .. Just what I needed another compusive addictive hobby fueled by gasoline like this!!
x2/grouper ... waaa hooo. One nice thing about just getting into my first build long before reading this thread -- gives me some incentive to wait for some maturity on it and x2 ...
exciting times ahead!!
Dang, maybe I should buy the dice tube! for this old obsolete system hehe ...
I don't but I know someone on XS who has oneQuote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
ooohhh nice resemblance. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Tinker
hehe.. :slap: d'oh, I need to read threads more carefully. was thinkin you were greyskull :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
I'm getting confused. There's the red on black Sapphire Crossfire board that looks like Grouper's brother, then there's this (from VR-Zone and Hardware zone)
That's not the "PURE" line of crossfire boards..that's the standard offering. just like every other OEM mobo maker that has different version of the same board....
the pure inovation it the white board with red details, then there is another one that is black and now the blue.
June came, June went but the "Grouper" didn't show up, what the hell could be goin' on :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
the black board is "PURE" crossfire, the white board is"PURE" Radeon shared, with onboard video, and there are blue version of both boards with differnet PWM design from the "pure" line-up, without the overclocking features, but are supposed to be decent clockers anyways, thanks to the chipset, but not the same ram power delivery.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
I hear ya man, Im buying me a nf4 ultra-d tomorrow to hold me over.
To bad its the white board that has the onboard video. That board looks awesome but I dont need the video. Black one looks too average to me. Everyone does black now.
I knew that, but this thread was fizzling out and I'm anxious for new stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadaveca
BTW: What is the black Crossfire version of Grouper called? "Carp?" "Sea Bass?" I know the secret ATI board at the OC competition was called "Bullhead."
OMG this is amazing. I just creamed my pants. Excellent work ATI
do you diss the dfi boards for having firewire? ;) (not many people use it, but its there)Integrated video, is usually a drawback, but in this case- it doesnt matter, and I believe it can be used in junction with other video cards for more monitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
So its a great thing to have :D I'll definatly be using it for SURE! :toast:
I'm still getting the white board :)
Any updates......... :bounce:
ARRRRRGG! this is driving me nuttier than a squirrell. I'm running a epox 8rda with blown caps until this comes out ( acctually stable *once you get into windows). everyday without an eta on this board is like a 1000 knives of fire in my chest if bigtoe or greyskull or any saphire rep reading has anyone they can whip for an update it would be appreciated.
Looks like the DFI will be out before the saphire. DFI did change the power delivery, so its safe to say, your ram will be ok on the DFI. Im ordering one when they hit, cant wait. GameVE just got merged with IBuyPower, so a pre-order for the DFI wont be existant. Wonder if Monarch will do a pre-order.
You're not the only one who is becoming very anxious. The day that I get enough money to buy my next system is becoming more and more imminent, and the Sapphire Grouper is definitely the board that I want.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7he]-[0rr0r
I see movement on the horizon.
:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Can't see anything from here.
C'mon let it out.......... :slap:
still nothing :( wtf are they waiting, christmas :rolleyes:
ABIT is workin on their Crossfire mobo and their target is September :fact: Any news from Sapphire............ :slap:
Ya... actually they even have a poll asking for suggestion and feedback for their upcoming crossfire board....Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread...threadid=87043
September :(
Cant someone manage to get one out before mid august, im fed up with my Gigabyte POS already but i only want to change boards once.
Argh.
G
I can't see how they would have their boards in the shops 6 weeks after taking the board's design decision :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
Its either retail by September or design completion by then.......VIPs as well as ATI was surprised with DFI @ Computex coz they came up with a Crossfire solution in such a short period of time the chipset was released so I reckon its feasible......... :p:
well they can design a base board. Then once the poll ends, they can change the overclocking options on the bios level. Regarding high end crap, they can just change the southbridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
Well, this is not what the poll seems to be about and the options given would end in very different boards, it seems to me like it would require more than bios settings and a SB to get the different possible versions to work ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Source : ABIT Indonesia :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
http://www.abit.or.id/modules.php?op...rder=0&thold=0
...Starting from September 2005, Abit will work with ATI to design motherboard base on ATI Crossfire Chipset ...
ABIT Indonesia
We(ABIT Indonesia) have confirmed this with ABIT Product Manager(ABIT HQ Taiwan) who didnt want his name to be publish....
ABIT HQ
"... in couple of month to come ABIT Engineer will work hard to finish the basic design first, before we start implementing ATI Crossfire Chipset..."
I think ABIT wont be able to complete their Crossfire board until end of this year (Q4 2005) or maybe early neaxt year (Q1 2006).... :slap: :slapass:
Anyway ... Sapphire, DFI , Asus already finish their basic design... they probably just waiting Green Light from ATI... :yepp:
Now this makes more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Yeah, was thinking the same and also that ATI should get their thumbs off their arse :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Mmmm this board is interesting. For a single card setup that is.
There should also be a XFire model.Quote:
Originally Posted by sysfailur
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=31829&stc=1
man that black board is ugly, they better have the white board.
:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by fareastgq
Now how backwards would this be.... run 2 x nvidia SLI cards on an ATI motherboard. LOL
full ack.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
thanks for sharing all that infos with us, bigtoe :toast:
They're probably waiting for the crossfire vid cards to be out on shelves.
thats what I was thinking
That's a good theory, but I sure hope the Sapphire board comes out before September or I'm probably going to give up hope and buy another board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Tinker
But why da heck wait jus for the cards......mobos are the foundation and are needed ASAP and esp after annoucning the PURE series, Sapphire has plenty of world customers interested in the mobo........if the drag to long which they are doin now......ALOT will move on and get a DFI :slapass:
I have to agree. It's a bad business tactic, I think, but it might be what they are doing. I don't want another DFI board, but if Sapphire's board isn't out when I want to buy my system, DFI is going to get my money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
I have been pushing to get the boards released, sapphire are pretty quiet but on the grapevine I heard end of July mentioned.
We are all waiting, performance on Crossfire looks really impressive, i just hope they can release sooner rather than later.