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I didn`t read all 10 pages, but my SD 3700 has a cold boot issue, it will not boot in a Vapo with iether a DFI NF4 Ultra or a A8V deluxe. In the DFI the MB LEDs stall out at CPU detect. Both MBs have the latest BIOSs.
I'll include a screen shot and more #'s within a few days :) Results so far:
3700+ CABGE
Watercooling with Swiftech wb and Bonneville heater core
dfi nf4-d
pqi PC4000 (TCCD)
250*11 / 1:1 memory
cpu 2.75Ghz mem 250Mhz
spi 1m ~ 30.122s
vcore 1.5, vdimm 2.7
superpi stable for only 2 minutes at 2.75Ghz but 1hr 40 min at 2.7Ghz. I'm doing a burn-in at 2.75 right now. Will try for max OC with 1.6v vcore.
Eric
Water should be enough to keep the temperatures tame. Mine only shoots up to 31-32C load after overclocking to 2.75 and bumping to 1.5v.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
Eric
my bad, I bent a couple of pins insering it in the socket full of dielectric grease, it`s back up and running on air again, I`ll retest frozen later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rukee
I used air-conditioning last night to drop the temperature in my room to about 15-16C and voila I was able to overclock SD 3700 to 2,830 MHz with 1.62V.
I run 32 MB superpi bench without problem breaking my record with 26 min 28 sec. However I did side by side comparison running Deep Fritz Mark (chess) and my Venice at 2.81 GHz was doing actually a little better than SD at 2.80 GHz. Hard to explain that but again I think it is a drop in performance because of generated heat.
This chip almost certainly requires better than air cooling and can fly with phase change, no doubt.
Quote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
keep the IHS on, last thing you need is crushing the core especially this is going to be your first phase change, unless you've swapped the cpu in and out and mounted the tube on phase change for hundred times otherwise I wouldn't risk it.
True, however if you look at the results posted, the difference between air and water cooling is minimal (~100Mhz) and the difference between water and phase is huge (400-500Mhz).Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
@ easypanic
What voltage are you using, I see CPU-z says 1.808 and it reports low so are you using 1.82v??? Man I didn't dare to go over 1.7 with H20.
easypanic : Thats seems an awfully high vcore to be running, any idea of how its scalling ie. what voltage per 100mhz gained?
I was referring to the comment about it throttling because of heat. You would have to have a pretty poor wc or screw something up for that to happen on water. Really even with air. I'm still at 1.5v. With a room temp of 70-75F my load reading was 28-29C running 2.2Ghz at stock voltage and 31-32C at 2.75Ghz 1.5v. Thats a pretty big difference for only a 4C increase in temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldonko
Eric
It needs an awfully high vcore to reach that speed :(.
I can go to 2.7 GHz on 1.45V, beyond that I need lots of Vcore....
I guess it can do 2.9 with 1.7x ,but I haven't had the time to test more...
I am absolutely positive that at least with the one I have the main issue is heat. I can easily overclock to above 2.8 with 1.6+V if the temperature of my room is low, meaning using air-conditioning full force. But when I have normal room conditions, say 25-26C then this is not possible. The system starts crashing before 1.6V.
I can also see the slowdown in performance after running benchmarks for a while, at the 100% CPU utilization. This is almost certainly due to heat, I cannot see anything else. This SD CPUs have a great potential but a standard air-cooling won't do it and I am using XP-120 with a Delta 120 fan. Venice is much better choice.
By the way your 31-32C temperatures do not sound realistic to me, unless your room conditions are fairly cold.
Mine too likes vcore, also dosen't mind temps. Last night i was runnning S&M at 2.8ghz 1.65vcore and it was hitting 65 degrees. Cooling xp90 but it didn't crash? is that weird or what?
Those temps sound real low to me too, unless its chilled water or something. I run mine at 1.65v and have a good h20 system (big heatercore with 4x120 cooling it) and temps peak at 45C. At 1.7v I'm guessing I would hit 47C.
easypanic do you plan on running 1.8v 24-7? I dunno if that's a good idea heh.
@peter lu - how did you manage that clock at default voltage? I can't seem to get past 2600Mhz at default. If you got 2800Mhz stable at 1.4v you should be able to hit 3k with it with some volts. What stepping? Cabbage batch?
Going by idle temp I'd estimate those temperatures being about 5C off. That would put it really around 36-37C. I'm running 1.5 versus 1.65. That will make a good difference. Also what WB are you running it on? The waterpump and flowrate seem to matter the most. Also my GPU is not included in the loop. Are you watercooling your GPU as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldonko
My temps don't change even 0.1% turning my 120mm fans up to 12v or even adding another 2. Since it does not help I just run 2x120mm fans at 5v off of a Sunbeam Rheobus controller.
Eric
65'C = way passed the Winnie crashing point :D :D I don't know about any other Winnie out there, but mine will be in crash city if it was anywhere close to 57'C. It looks like most of these Venice and SD can take a better beating and dig higher vcore :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Da[]San
Hey guys... New member here but not to the OC community :)
I just picked up a 4000+ Diego which came in yesterday and I've been working on it's overclock, yet it seems a bit on the weak on side... I'm actually trying to figure out of it's just my PSU taking a dump on me (which is suspected at this point)
Here's system specs:
4000+ Diego (CABHE 0515)
EPoX 9NPA+ Ultra
1gb OCZ Rev. 2 EL Plat.
eVGA 6800GT
2 x 74gb Raptors
Fortron 500w Blue Storm PSU
Watercooled (Thermochill HE120.3 [6 x 120mm Pana's in push/pull], 2 x Laing D4 pumps, Swiftech MCW6002-64 CPU Block, DD Maze 4 GPU Block, DD Maze 4 Chipset Block).
I'm having a helluva time getting this beast over 2.8ghz 100% solid. At 2.8 it's solid as a rock and nothing can stop it.
2.8Ghz OC Numbers:
FSB: 255x12
HTT: 3x
VCore: 1.75v
Timings: 2-2-2-5-1T (6:5 Divider)
Idle Temp: 34*c
Load Temp: 41*c
Some strange things that have been happening... If I run at 1.75-1.8vcore the idle and load temps are lower than if I run at 1.6v? wtf? Also, the vcore seems to be drooping pretty low, if I set it up for 1.85v in the bios in reality it's about 1.78v idle and 1.73v load.... Comp won't even post at anything higher than about 2.92ghz no matter what I do to the voltage, timings, dividers, cpu multi, fsb, etc... Edit: I tried touching up the 3.3v rail etc, on the psu but nothing helped.
Just curious as if there's a secret to this proc :) Thanks guys, glad to be a part of XS!
Largely untested since I finally got everything up and running very late last night, but I'm currently at 2.9ghz on (rather extensive) Air Cooling with my 4000+ SD
No screenies or anything since I'm posting from work, and nothing interesting to SS yet anyway
Windows stable for games and downloads...will start torture testing tonite with some Priming and get a few SPi runs in
haven't seen temps over 40c yet...but like I said it hasn't really been pushed yet
Most details listed in my Sig
:toast:
I wonder what is the max safe temp then? i'm taking a break from clocking this puppy until i put back my watercooling gear i just don't trust >1.6vcore on airQuote:
Originally Posted by ben805
sounds like your PSU is total :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: or it is dying. also, your mobo could be causing the droop. my bet is the droop is whats causing you to stop at 2.8ghz!Quote:
Originally Posted by FragTek
list your PSU brand and specs (rail amperage)
I've seen this board do some amazing things on other cpu's w/ a different (much better) psu so that's where my suspicions currently lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
I'm using a 500w Fortron Blue Storm rails are as follows: +3.3V@30A, +5V@28A, +12V1@15A, +12V2@15A, -12V@0.5A, +5Vsb@2.0A.
I don't know of the 12v rails are strong enough for all of the crap I have running on them to start off with... lol
the 12s arent too bad considering its a atx 2.0 psu... are you sure the 5v is 28A? the 3.3v is good, -12v is good, +5vsb is good but i just can not believe a forton 500watt has a 5v of 28amp!!! :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by FragTek
you need closer to 50amp to really stabilize things.... :fact:
what all do you have running in the computer?
oh and welcome to XS! :toast:
what was the difference between max ocs with or without aircon ?Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
About 80 MHz. I got it today to 2.86 GHz 32MB SuperPi stable using 1.7V. Without air-conditioning I cannot apply anything about 1.6V.
Thx for the welcome stealth... And yeah the 5v rail is pretty craptastic and I think that's where my problems are coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
The biggest drains are off of the 12v rails from the radiator rans, water pumps, and case fans. Ive got 6 x 120mm Pana M1A's on the rad and 6 x 80mm no name uv orange case fans. 2 Laing D4 pumps, 2 hd's, and 3 legacy drives. And the vid card as well. There's a crapload of stuff going on in there :)
What's the public XS opinion of the 600w PowerStream? That's what I have my eye on to replace this one with and it's got a 46a 5v rail plus some beefier 12v rails.
If you're running anything other than the DFI + BH5, UTT, etc., go for the Zippy 700W. I love mine, it's an absolute monster. I get a MAX vdroop of .02 on the rails even when pushing my rig to it's limit. 45A @ 12v ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FragTek
We got in some CABHE0511XPMW has anybody have any of these?
I'd not completely trust the monitoring thats built in. I've had PSU's give me crappy #'s but really great ones when I switch out the MB. For instance my 600W enermax told me my 12v rail was 11.2 or so. On this MB it says 12.2.Quote:
Originally Posted by FragTek
eric
(Digital Multi Meter for those going :confused: ) Get one from ratshack
Use it to measure off the PSU connectors when the system is running, and search around here for vmods to get voltage measuring points on the board. We ALL know that the sensors don't report worth :banana::banana::banana::banana:. (Ironically when I measured my vcore and vdimm on me refurb DFI Ultra-d and it was almost exact match to the bios readout :shrug: but @ least I KNOW for sure now). Also useful for measuring battery voltages (are they dead yet?) etc....
No, just for benching reasons :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eldonko
I'm tryihg to go to 1.7V, gonna let it burn :slapass:
- Stepping: ADA3700DAA5BN CABGE 0515SPMW 1237218D50804
- VCORE: 1.425
- Method of Cooling: Xp-12 with 125CFM YS-TECH @ 7V
- Temperatures - 37C load software
- Specifications of System: 6800 Ultra, DFI Sli-DR, G-Skill LE TCCD
- Stability Tests - Super Pi 32Mb Completed.
No screenshot yet, I will post a better speed ;)
uhh what clocks? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Concorde Rules
| 3700+ San Diego CABGE @ 2.75GHz - 1.425V - 0515 |
sig is me guess
I like this cpu:)
3700+ San Diego CABGE 0515 SPMW @ 2.88GHz with 1.504V; slk-948u
32m pi stable?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_fx
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
One should actually loop 32MB test at least few times. The ultimate test is the Prime95 anyway.
These guys getting low volts with their SD's are suprising me. I can post into windows and do just bout everything but Pi or prime it. I need 1.72 just to make it stable at 2940mhz. 294 fsb. on water cooling. Here is a link to what I get at 309 fsb. Wish I could get it run 3ghz but I havent seen but one on wc that will do it.
http://img205.echo.cx/img205/8/3092xi.th.jpg
Just curious - are you defining stable as spi1m stable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazykooter
If you cannot get SuperPi stable at 32 MB and Prime95 for few hours then it is not stable. I ordinary use programs that are 100% utilization (science) and if SuperPi isn't stable then these programs crash too. You can maybe use media player or Microsoft Word and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazykooter
The real measure is Prime95 because it tests memory subsystem and CPU like nothing else. If your CPU isn't up to it then it isn't stable.
That's based on personal preference ;) Some consider being able to run spi1m or 3dmark as "stable". Others say P95 for at least 24 hours is stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
Peter:
I am really confused how you managed those temps under load b/c myself, and many others "air-cooled" are seeing much higher temps. I average 45-48C under load and that is only 1.55V @ 2.69ghz.
My chip is a complete POS, it will do 2.75ghz but the machine shuts off for no apparent reason. I assume heat b/c it hovers 48-50C under load :( This is with an Xp-90 and a 92mm Tornado+7 case fans. Ridiculious...
If you look at his screenies, he is running default v core- amazingQuote:
Originally Posted by rancid
I found a tweak that allows me to utilize ram much better with the San Diego
I had previously not be able to acheive even a modest ram overclock while running the CPU at 2.8ghz. But I have found that if I use A64 tweaker to disable the mem clk for banks 2 and 3 (the empty banks, I have 2 x 512 in banks 0 and 1) that I can now run ram at 235mhz 2-3-2-7 while running CPU at 2.8ghz My Sandra bandwidth is now back up around 7000, and I got a new SuperPI 32m personal best of 26m 17s :banana:
This tweak also seems to bring the SD's memory bandwith scores back in line with my Winchester and eliminates the 300+ point difference at the same clocks. I,m guessing it will also help those who are having high temps overclocking the SD's on air.
/me plans to yank BH5 for a while and shove GBLE back in to try this :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OCfreak
Oooh, good find, I will try this tonight :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by OCfreak
make sure u disable the right banks else u get a instant crash, if u use the orange slots then disable banks 0 and 2.
And if your not sure which banks your using, run Sandra memory bandwidth benchmark, and scroll down through the report it will show which memory banks are populated.
Im so lost, my first A64 and I have no fking idea what Im doing :rolleyes:
But its fun..... 3700+ Cabbage special in the pot, hope I get some good craut.
What´s the best bios för DFI NF4 + KINGSTON BH5 + SD 3700+ ??
try 414-2Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
but there are 6 new bioses out :rolleyes:
Linky
I dont know how to tune yet, but 414-3 with my KHX3000's dont go past 230Mhz, while the UTT/VX sticks do 260Mhz.
Hopefully its something in the settings, rather than all my BH5 sucks-azz :rolleyes:
Didnt see all the new May bios's.... oh boy, more testing ;-)
Anyplace where Oskar details what the changes are for the new 5/10 bios's?
I asked OPB yesterday about which bios to use for what mem and his reply was:Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
414-2 for bh5
414-3 for tccd
Will try TCCD in a while
I thought 414-1 was tccd? What are those 509 and 510's? Has anyone used those?Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Eric
I am using the 414-1 with my tccd 510 chips at 294 3-3-3-6 right now. :rolleyes:
i tried the disable tweak and went from 6761 to 6774 in sandra on SD3700. not quite a 300 point gain, but it is a gain. i'm running uttQuote:
Originally Posted by OCfreak
Man this is frustrating... buddy of mine just got his 4000+ Diego and got it running @ 3ghz stable on the stock AMD hsf, bleh!
I can only get 2.8ghz on water, retarded! I didn't fork out $500 for 2.8ghz......
What stepping you guys have ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FragTek
sounds like mine 4000+ 0515 SPMW, this cpu OPB got it to 2850mhz at 1.45v air bought it off him but only doing 2800mhz at 1.65v on water heh
There's some info over at DFI-Street...Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11617
I can post 3dmark01 test at this speed and timing plus everything else. The only thing that gives me any trouble is figgin firefox for some reason. It sits at this speed all day long. I never shut off my puter. It folds when I dont use it and even when I am. I just wish I had a better way to cool the upper right hs. That little basterd gets way to hot and causes issues at times when I tighten ram timings for benches.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazykooter
Oddly enough your stable speed is about the same as mine :)
I dropped to 2925mhz though for 24/7 @ 1.6v, but dont have any issues with firefox 1.0
Might be a plug-in problem ?
Now let's get Oskar Wu to include this disable option into the next DFI bios and we are good to go :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OCfreak
Monarch dropped the price on its 3700+ SD OEM to $299.00.
guess i shouldn't complain about my 3700+ doing 2.8ghz with only 1.43v then ....shame i sold my mach-ii a few months ago :eek:
dread-star - early samples are always 'golden' .....it's just classic cheap advertising ....and if i say so ...a bit dirty - but that's the world for ya.
there's always those selling dreams that aren't actually available
yet i have not find E3/E4 run 300*10 at 1.4v
different boards for different folks, hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Anyone having problems with OCing RAM with a 3700? I got 2800Mhz stable but only when I keep my RAM at 200Mhz. My TCCD did 283Mhz with my old newcastle for months and now I can't OC even to 250Mhz with this diego. I have tried 0310, 0414-3, 0414-1, and now have 0510-3 same problem, mem dump reboots when I use over 200Mhz for RAM. =/
These memory controllers on the sandys are plain goofy IMO. Some times they just dont like tccd but are loving utt and bh- WTH lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldonko
see that jumper mod for the dfi? If you can raise ur 3.3v rail higher then it won't be a problem, or just do the 3.3v = vdimmQuote:
Originally Posted by jikdoc
i've tried the jumper mod, it's unstable. i have my 3.3rail up to 3.6, no luck with getting this psu to run >3.2v. right now hipro's ddr maximizer is my only hope.
Yup I fell for it too and thought the odds would be better with a 4000+ over a 3700+ and it looks like I got suckered...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dread-Star
:(
Oh well I guess! Gonna get my new PSU on friday and see if that helps at all, if not i'll probably sell it and get myself a 3700+ and see if I have any better luck.
I got up to + 300 HTT 1/1 with some xblk 2*512MB sticks.... ( san diego 3700+)
Just flashed that new beta bios :)
we both used DFI NF4 boards hehQuote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
case in point:)Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Well...I'm sitting at 2860 rock solid right now...think it's got more in it, but I haven't been able to stabalize it higher...with some better memory settings I should hopefully be able to...also, my 3DMark scores seem a little low, is there something I should be doing or optimizing to bump those up some?
Paticulars and SS of where I'm at right now are over on the SD OC Thread
any idea why i can´t get it to run in 300x9 with my 4000 Django?
310x8 running fine... 270x10/280x10 running fine...
Try a different bios? The 414-2 stopped my 10x multiplier working on my FX-55.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
(that'll cost you two sticks of handpicked Twinmos ram! :p: )
had 310 running before with no luck, than updated to 510-3 with the ame results :(
will try out 510-1 now...
btw: nice try ;)
*update*
510-1 did it´s job and 300x9 up and running noiseless ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dread-Star
DREAD,
I wanted to do same, but I backed off and pick up a 3700+. I have had the same experience seeing people with 3000+ winchester posting 3000MHz and Prime stable at 2700MHZ and my 3500+ was a disgrace.
Look at what my 3700+ is currently doing(attached pic below). That 10hours prime stable at 2700MHZ. What else do I want after 500MHz Overclock. That speed should be about 4300+ to 4400+ by AMD rating.
I want to get it up for 48Hours of prime, then I will back it down to 2600MHz with lower vcore for 24/7 use. That is a $300 chip at FX-55 speed.
What do you think about this thread? 3700+ @ 3GHz air cooled!!
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62496
http://www.bel-hardware.be/forum/viewtopic.php?id=436
French DB of Stable and Bench ocing of Venice and San Diego !!
Gogo :D
winrar v3.5
best compression
31 mp3 files for a total of 265MB
1min47s @ 3251MHz, 3269MHz and 3278MHz
sciencemark @ 3242MHz = 1615.88
renderbench @ 3187 et 3196MHz = 3min17s
crystalmark = can't test
cinebench = 57.9s I believe @ 3196MHz and 455 CB-CPU in rendering (1 CPU)
sandiego 3700+
1.4v oc 2.78G(PRIME 95)
http://img1.picsplace.to/img1/2072/b2.jpg
what is the batch number of your golden CPU?Quote:
Originally Posted by peter lu
0516WPMW :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kakaroto
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=30503&stc=1Quote:
Originally Posted by peter lu
No i mean the last one. e.g. On the Pic I have B50953.
Do you have CBAHE or CBAGE
Quote:
Originally Posted by kakaroto
CBAGE.
D50562
peter lu> :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: Freaking nice
What type of cooling?
XP90 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leverpospade
my 3700+ @ 2.8ghz 280x10 1.43v just fell over in prime @ 6hrs 30 mins......pretty stable but i'd be happy if it hit 10hrs minimum.
My LE's also failed memtest overnight @ 280 2.5-3-3-7 2.7v also .....4 errors after 11 hours so i think they're the culprit here, more damn tweaking!@!@!@! :slapass:
My 3700+ cabbage is doing 2.75Ghz... 250Mhzx10 rock solid on retail HSF @ 1.58Vcore. 26min54sec 32M SuperPi, 3D stable 31K 3D2K1 on stock X850XT. Temp on core peaks at low 50's C doing prime/superpi. Idles in low 30's C.
Playing with various ram configes, I managed to screw my LAN totally. It's gotta be a windows thing, all forms of connection... NVlan, Gigalan, even USB wireless dongle all cannot renew IP adress from router. This PC is talking through router, so its still ok. Might have screwed up TCP-IP somehow on the Windows install.
I put the 2x Raptors in, solid 116MB/s 8.0ms access out of the array.... 16k/16k raid0. Time to stuff a WinXP install on that array.
The BH5 sticks were working better in the yellow dimms with 5/15-2 bios, the UTT's seem to like either yellow or orange. BH5 managed 245Mhz but UTT's do 255-260. I think my BH5's arent that good.
I luv the soft SATA cables DFI included.
Is that GO software the same as mersenne.org Prime95?
http://webpages.charter.net/mlanter/rocksolidp95.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mlanter/271.7x12.jpg
I'm confident this will be running until I stop it.
http://webpages.charter.net/mlanter/p95begin.jpg
Can you post links to all those French benches? And can they be run in English?
it's not french benches except testlab I believe...Quote:
Originally Posted by RAMMIE
I downloaded that and just installed
superpi
testlab --> it tests separately the proc, memory, HD drive, standard display, cd-rom, internet connection, network or a global test with proc, memory, HD drive, standard display and cd-rom
renderbench
sciencemark
crystalmark
rightmark
cinebench
winrar
comprendo dude? :woot:
What are your mem timings here?
http://cpull.free.fr/Overclocking/3088MHz-rightmark.jpg
KHX PC3200 and Corsair PC3200LLQuote:
Originally Posted by RAMMIE
2*256MB
Not speed.I can see 280.Tweaker shot please.
not seen correctly the question
1.5-7-12-2-2-5-2-2-1-2-200 3.9us
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dread-Star
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dread-Star
Hey Dread,
Think about it....if all these San Diego and Venice can Prime at 2.8~2.9Ghz all day long on air, then AMD would of bin them at much higher speed and sell them as such. I'm willing to bet atleast 95% of these chips can not prime any higher than 2.85 on air, left alone 2.9. You're spot on accurate that in average they all do about 2.70~2.75 prime stable on air, a lucky few 'might' be able to prime at 2.80. Hell...my 3700 SD can do SuperPI 1M and run a bunch of Sandra and other benchmarks at 2.93Ghz on air!! SuperPI 32M is good at 2.86Ghz, but prime95 and OCCT is another story....and you guess it....have to drop it all the way down to 2.754 Mhz to passed both OCCT and Prime95, so it really depends on what stability mean to you, and what you really want out of these chips :D
Many weeks ago before Venice and San Diego hit the market, I made several attempts to uncover and challenge some Venice previewer here in this forum, and tried many times to phish some prime95 result out of those "cherry-picked" Venice but at the end it gets pretty ugly, and in return I get a bunch of name calling and insults, even get banned for couple days because I was being mistaken as trouble-maker and also being accused of spamming and advertising... :lol: The 1MB L2 cache is not all it hyped up to be either, just borrow a Venice from your buddy or go buy one(you can return it later if you're willing to suck up the restocking fees), spend a day or two and swap the cpu back and forth on the exact same machine to compare them, see what kind of performance gain you gonna get with that 1M L2 cache, and you'll be in for even more surprises.. :D
Though I'll give credit where credit due, because in average the Venice and San Diego still clock a hell lot better than the Winchester, NC/CH ;) All I know is, the San Diego runs much hotter than Venice, so WC ain't gonna give you much gain, that's the main reason why I'd skipped the WC altogether and jump straight to Phase Change, if I were to stick with air/h2o then I would of get me a Venice, or stripped off the SD's IHS. :D :D
Best way to hunt for those 'golden' chips is through your local computer store, don't think microcenter has them yet but as soon as they have em' in stock I'll stop by to hand pick one to play with :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mouawad