i vote for a discount :up:
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i vote for a discount :up:
OPB what the heck is up with your post? Looks like a cheap attempt to stop people from being interested in Mushkin. This thread is for Mushkin, not very good practice for you to come in and say that. Very OT in my eyes. :nono: :slapass:
You raise a valid question but I wonder if the same objection would be raised if OPB wasn't a rep for GSkill. I'm inclined to let all the reps pimp their wares as much as they like as long as it doesn't turn into a spam fest. I woud like more sales reps in here especially if they're guys like OPB. How cool would it be for Grayskull (ATI guy) and Duonger to be more involved? As long as its cival it could be a lot of fun. Ok ... now I'm OT. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
I see nothing wrong with OPB's post he is just stating that there is some compitition...others have been talking about OCZ VX and where to get that so what is so wrong with what he did may I ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
DragonQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
i dont see nothing wrong with what opb posted... im happy i got the redlines, as long as it performs better that those of course :p
information is good
@Duonger (or Charlie, John or TransAM)
Does Redline XP4000 use BP B6U808 PCB (just like OCZ VX3200 and PC4000) or modified by Mushkin, JEDEC PCB?
@bachus_anonym: XP4000 @ Mushkin vs. confirmed Mushkin Enhanced
PCB is same on both.
@largon
I was just looking at all my BrainPower sticks and Mushkin BH-5 sticks... Yep, you're right... No BP on Mushkins. Layout seems to be even same as on both my 2x256MB BH-5 kits :toast:
Can this stuff be found in Canada?? More specific, Toronto, Ontario?? If so, what would the prices be and would there be any coupons availible?? Few more questions, does Mushkin have a good warranty policy to cover these sticks of ram? LIke how much voltage is too much and within limit?
TIA!
www.ncix.com is putting it on their site this week i believe. You can call them and check. They have called asking when we can ship. We told them asap so right now the ball is in their court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Techwarrior
Duonger
Any chance to buy these beasts in europe ??
So does that mean the order I placed last night at Mushkin should ship out today? BTW do you know exactly how they ship to Hawaii?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
Duonger, any word from marketing about a possible discount? :p:
Has anyone recieved a shipment notification email yet? My card was charged, but I haven't gotten the email as of yet....
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Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Just out of curiousity, since I've never gone to digi4me's site, I priced the G.Skills and they are $162 (close enough to $160), however...shipping for a gig (2x512) set is ...are you sitting down (of course you are) ...$32, bringing the total up to $194. Folks, that's right at a 20% surcharge for shipping. OUCH!
Maybe I missed the part where they special deliver that same day to your door in their private jet or something. That's just crazy to charge $32 to ship a gig of ram.
Yes, you did miss that small detail... They charge $32 for UPS 1-Day... :stick: USPS is $9 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Thanks for the clarification...like I said...never visited there before and when I clicked on the "add to cart" it popped up that for shipping. I think I must have gone into shock!Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
$9 is in line with what the egg charges sometimes.
My card was not charged yet and I have not gotten a shipment notification either. My order was placed last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by SVTSnake
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Originally Posted by rcofell
Sorry been out doing training. Marketing said they will do something next week or so, but the only coupon out there is dor some ddr sodimm.
Duonger
can those of us that ordered this week take advantage of that 'future' cupon?
So what IC's do these Mush Red use?
also is there any chance that Redline XP3500 would OC same as the XP4000 ??
I dont know. I dont know if they will do any specials on these at all. It is up to them and management.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamaleon
Duonger
@Duonger
you seem to avoid answering question about ICs on those sticks :D Are they UTT-CH5, then? can you confirm that?
I think a GP (Group Purchase) deal would be a good idea, i'm sure we could get enough people in on it. :cool:
Duonger won't tell type of the ICs on Redline...
:2cents:
Mushkin doesn't want to risk the sales because of the common BH-bias.
By the way this article reads, UTT chips of some type, which we all pretty much know.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=199
What I really want to know is what are they currently testing over at Legit Reviews that is hitting in excess of DDR600 with 2-2-2 timings?
Quote from article:
"Legit Reviews is hitting over 600MHz at 2-2-2 timings on some of our testing samples and are impressed by what can be achieved from UTT IC's."
For those that say it can't be done....WOW!
Edit - Ignore this last part...it appears that the 4x multi was used therefore no DDR600 speeds were achieved.
No proof as of yet... cpu-z validated screenie then I would be like WOW ;)
they used 4x cpu multiplier on AMD64 hehQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Your point is well made, maybe it is a little too early for the "WOW!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
I agree that there's no "proof", but (and its only my opinion) that site has been around for a while and the author of the article has written many reviews, etc. and he doesn't generally run off half-baked so for him to include that in his article has a little more (make that much more) credibility than if I had said I'd hit 300 and then shown no proof.
Time will tell...as it always does.
Now that may very well be it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Yup... x4 multi maybe :rolleyes:
I dont know why people do that.
Probably 'cause they don't hang out at XS or they would know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
edit:
eva, I just registered over there and saw where you did tell him about the 4x back in late April in his "DDR600" thread. Do you think that the UTT article was written before then and now he does know about the 4x bug? He shouldn't have released the UTT article with that statement if he knew better.
Whats the 4x bug?
This is a quote of a post over at LR in a thread discussing the UTT article I linked above. It pretty well sums up the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trice
Post by HKPolice in response to the writer's claim of having hit DDR600 with 2-2-2 timings:
"Please post a screenshot of this. I don't think any Winbond based IC can ever reach those speeds stable. I think you might have run into the "A64 4x multiplier" bug where using a CPU multiplier of 4x forces you to use a memory divider of 5, but ALL programs are fooled and think that a /4 divider was used instead.
Example: 4x300 = 1.2Ghz CPU
1200Mhz/5 = 240Mhz memory."
Unless there is new info to the contrary, it appears that DDR600 was not achieved after all.
OK you "can't be done" guys, you are still right.
4x multi.... or maaaybe.... DH-UTT?
They fix the article
http://img23.echo.cx/img23/8638/screen0494pa.jpg
what is the difference?
I didn't get to read before/after ?
John,
Is Redline on BrainPower, like Mushkin Blue? We think, it's not, but can you confirm it, please?
They dropped their claim from DDR600 to DDR500Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
Does anyone known a (cheep) shop that ships to Europe and where they have this beauty's?
I'm searching a US shop that ships to Europe because the current Dollar - Euro rate, 200 Dollar is just 156.06 Euro. So even if the shipping cost's are 20 dollar it's cheeper. :banana:
But I haven't found a shop jet....
Looks like they have been reading whats going on in here and see that we figure them out and providing false information ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Sonja
I posted, commenting that the post by HKPolice (quoted above) had validity and the article's author then posted saying he would look into it as part of a review of OCZ's VX ram and in the meantime he would edit the article from DDR600 to DDR500.
You guys shook him up I think. Eva2000 had already posted this info in a thread there at LR back in mid April so I'm not sure why he posted that DDR600 stuff, as he had been made aware of the problem with the 4x multi.
Anyways, bottom line is that there was no DDR600.
I take my "WOW" back (I can do that, can't I?).
How do these compare to Muskin Special 222 on an MSI Neo 2?
According to Charlie's first post...Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
Also if you look at the pic the visible part of the PCB matches up with the Blue lines as far as trace patterns and via location ;) Looks like BP p/n in top right corner too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie
Peace :toast:
Haha, I posted in their forum thread and pointed out the A64 4x multiplier bug. Then they fixed it. Hahahaha they didn't know about it before.
'legit reviews' doesn't sound so legit anymore.
Here is the thread: http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewtopic.php?t=1839
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Originally Posted by Red_Sonja
I could swear this is a black "Mushkin Enhanced"-pcb.
Guess they have wrong pics in their product description for both Redliners...
Just wondering if any of you guys have your sticks yet?
Results would be nice :poke: :D
I should have results by the end of the week :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by jiff
1x512
2x512
3x512
AND
4x512
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Originally Posted by Soulburner
Soulburner
are you one of the reviewers we sent modules to?
Duonger
dounger send me few modules :)
No i'm not, but I placed my order today via your website :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
Look forward to it :banana: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
Be nice to know if the IC issue could be cleared up, I DONT wont another set of UTT CH ie VX. To many of us are starting to get boot issues with these
Mushkin sales tells me the chips on the Redline 4000's are in fact Winbond UTT. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. I'll have a set on wed.
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Originally Posted by HKPolice
Actually, I found in one of their threads where eva2000 had brought it up to the author back in mid April so he knew about it before the article was even released. I don't know if he just figured that it looked good to say that he had hit DDR600 and that no one would raise any questions.
In any event, you brought it up again in the discussions but it appears that some of those guys seem to have blinders on because they were more interested in shooting you down and making accusations about your motives than they were in getting to the truth.
After I posted that your comments were valid the article's author felt compelled to comment at that point that maybe it needed to be looked at a little more. I've been meaning to go back and see if any of those other posters had the decency to apologize to you.
I wonder just how smug they are feeling now.
Just to confirm, yes its Winbond UTT.
A message from Mushkin, very good support ;)Quote:
Hello Michael,
Glad to hear that you are doing your homework :). Anyway, to answer your questions the kind of IC's the xp4000 redline use are the Winbond UTT chips. They won't be hitting retailors anytime soon but you may find the 3200 or the 3500. This modules is spec to run at 250mhz, you can sometimes run it at 280mhz depending on your motherboard however we do not guarantee it above 250mhz. I hope this answers all your questions. Have a great day.
Thank You,
Christie J.
Mushkin Inc.
Good going HKP,well done m8Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
Someone had to show them :fact:
The main issue with a lot of hardware reviews is that most are done by journalist and not computer enthusiast :rolleyes: .
Well, we all know that Mushkin, OCZ, Gskill, TwinMOS most likely use Winbond UTT chips. The real question is what UTT chips are those. Are they W942508BH-5 or W942516CH-5 or something totally different. Something new.Quote:
Originally Posted by uscfan
Many Taiwaneese fabs (not only Winbond, but very likely Powerchip and somne others) are dumping UTT chips now. That' have seemed to be quite popular practice among them for the last few months to sell UnTesTed dirt-cheap ICs for like $.05 and not bother to burn-test them or mark them. Then OCZ or Mushkin or anyone else buys them, makes modules really cheap. And still, If they fail in customers hands, replacing them with another one will not be a problem as making those modules is be very cheap, comparing to real, binned and tested ICs. Unless, some extensive testing and speed-binning will be done by module manufacturers.
Please tell me who i can contact o buy those 5 Cents UTT from?????.... Right now I know we are paying a heck of a lot more than that.... WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more... LOL.. and the testing is the most expensive part. If it were so easy I suspect my bosses to be letting the sales dept move all the parts they want but there are many cost involve that you guys do not see. The Legit Artical took it to the extreme. Heck if it was 5 cents, man i would make bank on all the stuff on my desk right now. EBAY anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
18pcs 1gig 400
26pcs 256 400 blues
32pcs 512 400 blues
8pcs 512 3500 Reds
8pcs 512 4000 Reds
10pcs 512 DDR2 667
Duonger
still non the wiser as to what UTT they are!!!!I'll hold off then see if ppl start getting cold boot problems
Well, that $.05 was just my shot in the dark, I would suspect that those UTT ICs are more expensive :)
My point was, that since DDR2 market is not blooming as well as many module makers wanted it to, many fabs are punching very large quantities of untested DDR ICs, to prevent another wave of looses from stagnating DDR2 demand. And module makers figured that it could be a good business to pick them up, cheaper than regular ICs, slap them on some BrainPower and sell them cheaper. That's why we're seeing many cheap kits, below $100 for a gig.
XP4000 from Mushkin or PC3200 VX or PC4000 VX from OCZ, that is a different story as these modules are extensively tested, binned, getting marked which adds up to the total cost. But still, having them made from UTTs makes them cheaper than if it would have to be made from full-quality "say BH-5" chips.
@Duonger,
Do you actually know, what those Winbond chips are then? Module manufacturers should know that, right? Is this something new or just old stuff being "reactivated" ???
I not sure what chips they are. All I know it is Winbond chips but processed by Infineon. As for the UTT that you out there for $100, Im just very leary of them. What people dont understand it once a process is in place to build the wafer and IC`s, it can not be stopped. If it is, then a lot of money is lost. Like the earthquake several years back in Taiwan. It shifted the production line and caused memory to sky rocket. Once a wafer is in production, all the steps and calibrations has to be completed otherwise that wafer is DOA and sent to scrap. That is a LOT of $$ lost.
I know I am rabbling but if you want to message me at via MSN duonger2@hotmail.com i can elaborate more...
yeah i did mention it to them a few weeks back hehQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
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Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
DDR600 for "real" isn't THAT far off... I've seen low 290's here. If someone had really good sticks, binned nicely, I can imagine it!
C
I have some sticks here that sometimes boot and sometimes not, is that common for UTT ??Quote:
Originally Posted by jiff
Havent read anything about it.
Your recent results, among others, was why I was a little quick to bite on the DDR600 claim. People are getting close, oh so close...Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
So, what frequency are you at now? My wife's gonna kill me but I need a set. This is the one to get, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
There is now a threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=61210
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=60633
There is also a very long thread @ DFI street.
A chap from Mushkin said last night he will look into it, as they send samples to AMD and DFI.
There seems to alot of VX users having problems, but they maybe that there are more VX users.
Everyone has the boot issues with ALL UTT stuff... ESPECIALLY on the DFI, lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by jiff
C
Clearly not everyone has a problem, the poll suggests only about 40% do, I also havent read that anyone has had problems with UTT-BH.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
But I would be more than happy to be proved wrong as Im about to order some BH GSkill
:banana:
They are CH5's on the 3500 and 4000 Redlines.Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
I have BH5-UTT also, and I'd say about 1/2 the time after swapping ram sticks, I have cold boot probs...Quote:
Originally Posted by jiff
When the rig BSOD's, I have probs booting maybe 25% of the time. When switching between "types" of ram, like tccd to UTT, I nearly ALWAYS have to start with one stick until I get a post then add the 2nd upon a shutdown/restart.
C
Wow, I've been haveing that problem alot lately. I don't remember having these problems before, I thought it was my CPU mem controller wigging out.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Mobo starts up great with with my 2x 256 BH-5 LevelII. Only fires up about a quarter of the time with my 2x 512 VX.
OPP
odd, I have never had a problem with the VX.
I've never had it before this last FX-55 chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikwidKool
OPP
Do you have these cold boot probs with the Mushkin redlines also ??Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
sometimes... but usually when I'm trying something new or xtreme, like benching 1:1 at 280+, lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sauron_Vie
C
lol... :D to have a cold boot prob by benching near 280+ / 1:1 is ok :D:D
thx
Charlie, can you run higher 1-1 HTT using 2-3-2?
You know that for a fact ? I would've guessed it's BH-5, considering:Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
AFAIK CH-5 is not too responsive at 3.8V and over. Charlie, could you please give 200Mhz 2-2-2 2.6V a try, to see if these are really BH-5 or not ?Quote:
The MAX I've verified is 288.35mHz, 1.5-2-2-6 @ 3.8v I've seen 290+ at higher voltages.
What is that going to prove? CH-5 can do that too...we started seeing that with the later CH5 sticks on NF2...Quote:
Originally Posted by Micutzu
Soulburner
did you get your modules yet?
Duonger
Nope, ordered monday at around 10 am Central. I don't have a tracking number yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
EDIT: On another note, the FedEx guy just came with some other goodies (DFI NF4 Ultra-D, X800XL, OCZ600W, and more) :D
email me ur order number and i will find tracking for you
tom@mushkin.com
Duonger
I asked Mushkin directly through their reseller line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micutzu
Sending you an e-mail also. I ordered some on thursday the 6th and no e-mail yet with tracking ><Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
replied to your email.
Duonger
Thanks Tom, err and I meant friday not thursday, been around the diesel fumes too long today, hah.
you guys are bad!! I shouldn't be reading all these good stuff....hehehe, just ordered a pair of XP4000 this morning...it's on 2nd day air, a rep at mushkin said they'll ship it out today :D :D these bad boys will run perfectly on my 3700 SD with 11x multiplier, about time for my GSKILL 512LA to take a vacation :D
subliminal message....sound effect from twilight zone added in here..
BUY MORE MEMORY!..NEED SPEED. NEED PERFORMANCE..NEED STABILITY.....
Sound effect dies out.
Duonger
:rofl: @ Duonger...
Already have Blacks and Blues... only way Reds get added is via test sticks :p:
Tom i sent u an email about my order placed on the 6th
I just got my modules today. I'm going to throw them in right now and run some Memtest. I'll report back with my results.
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Originally Posted by kamaleon
my freaking email is down. send it to tomduong@cox.net
Duonger
Just an fyi guys, the mushkin website has been officially REVAMPED to a much more creative user interface.
I for one think's a great step, check it out for yourselves ;) : www.mushkin.com
Perkam
I'm glad I bought it when I did, the price went from $239 to $255. I just can't seem to get these things to pass Memtest at 250MHz. Well, back to work.
Wow, you're sure right about that, looks pretty awesome now. Just too bad those prices went up. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
When I ordered mine yesterday Morning, it was at $239....looks like they'd just readjusted it, should we expect the price to keep climbing? these stuff must be hot then! :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
whyd the price go up...?
that makes me a sad panda
Very nice. I didnt know it had changed :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam