i just wish they would give an eta
EDIT: Just for the record, I woudl use NCIX as a way to guage what these will cost. Note the winny 3000+ costing $170. Their pricing blows.
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i just wish they would give an eta
EDIT: Just for the record, I woudl use NCIX as a way to guage what these will cost. Note the winny 3000+ costing $170. Their pricing blows.
179+ about 20 shipped to Louisiana... although that is almost as far away in the US as you could get... lol.
You have to remember the pricing of the winnies when they first appeared though. The retail boxes were around 200 no?
Remember this is a Retail box, not an OEM.
its a presale so its gonna be out of stock until they get it in.
Is NCIX a reputable vendor? Should I preorder form them or wait? IM SCARED!!! DO I have to pay now?
$20 is a ripoff for shipping, forget them!
^^^ exactly. just wait til newegg and all the other e-retailers have them. the price is sure to drop.
Yea it does seem high, but that is insured and whatnot at least. You also have to remember that they are located in Canada from what I understand(Or do they have a US based warehouse/store?). So for it to go to Louisiana, and cross a border, it really isn't THAT bad.
Ncix is reputable, from what I understand I believe they were one of the first to have pre-orders for the DFI NF4 boards too.
My brain is about to explode... I wonder if the shipping covers Puerto Rico also...
NCIX is reputable I guess. I hate the site myself. Insanly high prices (and yes, I am looking at them in USD) and one of the sloppiest and most difficult to navagate websites I have ever been on. Finding a specific part is a chore on that site. However, for some reeasons, canadians swear by it.
NCIX is the Newegg of Canada.
So I guess AMD DID ship today and the cpu's should arriver in a couple of days possibly?
I just realized that a 3000+ has a too low multiplier for my BH-5... So I guess I'll have to wait for the 3200+ at least. Wish I had good TCCD... :slap:
I find it hard to believe that Canada would get them before the US. My guess is they shipped today, and will arrive tomorrow (arent they shipping from Germany?) and NCIX is just posting a preorder becuase they know they will be getting them soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
EDIT: Tibu, you could use a 3000+ with your BH5, just set a dividor. A buddy of mine has VX and a 3000+ winny, and he dropped the multi to 8x and the dividor to 166 and clocked from there.
If only it was a 3200+ I'd pre order... But like they say; Good things come to those who wait.
Bah, not if your using a P3 500mhz with 192MB of ram running XP...then waiting sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
I feel your pain... :stick:Quote:
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Originally Posted by Tibu
If only it was a 3200+ I'd pre order... But like they say; Good things come to those who wait.
Bah, not if your using a P3 500mhz with 192MB of ram running XP...then waiting sucks.
OMFG!!! THEY HAVE IT!!! JUST NOW!!!
http://www.us.ncix.com/products/inde...anufacture=AMD
Heh they must be manually updating the site as we speak?
http://www.us.ncix.com/products/inde...anufacture=AMD
3500+= $329 WTFZOR
Typical NCIX pricing :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
How did you find that anyways? Searching for Venice only brought up the 3000+
3800+ = $426
Ouch! :stick:
I worked my magic and hit the NEW ARRIVALS BUTTON :cheer:
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Originally Posted by Tibu
just get tccd or run a 166 divider with your bh5.
all Venice are out of stock, I guess everyone made a mad rush and ordered the moment they came in stock :stick:
I ordered the 3200+
Sorry for the triple post, i'm excited.
And BTW, they were never in stock cuz I got the 3200= and up right as they posted them up cuz 5 mins before I checked the same area and they weren't there.
So about a 30 dollar price increase on everything except the 3800. If you look at the winchesters, the NC cores might be less, and remember to look for retail boxed version.
The 3800 is about a 60 dollar price hike, but there never was a winnnie core... so eh. We all knew that there would be a price to pay for the first ones, 30 dollars isn't too bad I suppose. I've been trying to put together my rig for a few weeks now so I don't mind paying 30 dollars over a winchester core.
They never were in stock. Backordered is NCIXs way of saying preorder. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Yea it's all pre-order. Hopefully you and I will see our Venice chips ship out by the end of the week :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
the 3200+ is $50 more than the 3000+, the same was true for winny. I may get the 3200+ only if it has a proven higher average overclock but it may still be speedbinned pretty low.
Its really not as bad at is looks, just compare to the whinny prices on NCIX, they all suck. 3000+ venice is only $10 more than teh winny. It seems high beause its $30 more than most retails charge for the winnyQuote:
Originally Posted by c42
Well bro if ya wanna wait you can compare the differences between mine and Tibu's clocks =).Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Um WTF, they got my address wrong. In the order page my address says CANADA and not USA? Damitt...
im waiting for monarch to start selling these chips so i can get that mobo+CPU+ free HL2 combo :D. im having a hard time deciding whether to get a 3000+ or a 3200+, is the latter more likely to use a higher quality core, or is it only with 3500+?
Lol made me go back and look to make sure. Remember everything is defaulted to canada on their site so you have to change it when registering.
Same core, but with an extra multiplier.
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Originally Posted by erorr404
No, the core is the same all round, but there are rumors that the higher chips will be speed binned.
If they are, :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: venice....ill get a winny again.
No telling, in the winchesters they seemed to be the same really. Actually see more sigs with 3000+ clocking higher, but that may be b/c more ppl bought 3000+s as they are less expensive of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by erorr404
Hey C42, did you use paypal as payment method or credit card? I picked paypal as my CC doesn't have enough funds. You think I should send the money now or tomorrow?
I picked cc. Can you pay your cc online? B/c they shouldn't charge you until it ships, so if you could get it paid in a day or so...
Reason I say that is b/c if a better deal pops up in the mean time, you can cancel, with paypal that might be harder to do...
If that is your only way you can pay though, I'd go ahead and get 'er done now so you can be high on the list, as it will be popular item of course, and they may only get a few dozen on the first shipment.
But hey I'm out for the night. Now that I finally got a pre-order in on that I can get some sleep. Last night was up all night hitting refresh lol.
WOOT! Money sent. Done and done. :cheer:
Yep now I can sleep peacefully... Well not completely, until it says SHIPPED on the order page :banana:
good luck with Venice everyone and be sure to post how well it overclocks at 1.4v and at higher volts. Also get the max 3dmark clocks and max suicide screenshot clocks :slobber:
You people crazy.
Buying from the first site to put up preorders?
This is like a bunch of horny teenagers waiting for the first girl to arrive at the middle school dance.
you mean high school dance :rofl: and if I were the lady, I wouldnt be alone but with a bunch of other friends as protection. Carry scissors to ward off the horny ones ;)
hmmmm.... i suppose high school is more accurate. ;)
I'm gonna wait for the egg or zipzoomfly to carry venice.
I would wait for newegg or zzf, probably cheaper but i couldn't wait and jumped at a winnie yesterday that does 2.7ghz@1.58V stable on air. :) I think i'll be satisfied for a while. I can't wait to see what you guys can do with these do though. :D
I was talking to NCIX Canada and they said they should be shipping them out END OF APRIL. :rolleyes: There might still be some waiting to do. :/
damnit i just ordered from there
A UK Online store says their distributor cannot get any till June... :(
come on people!!
start testing those cheaper 3000+ 3200+ venices :D
if it turns out ok, ill replace my winnie too (cant get a decent clock with high fsb on this one... :()
Yer, someone get a 3000+ or a 3200+ and overclock them. And hurry up with the shipment over to Australia so I can get my new PC! Been waiting for this for a while.
Man, I just cant wait... I need my PC for school. Anyone who jumped on NCIX wanna sell me a winny? ;)
A real n00b here, but what is the safest way to buy a used winnie? :confused: I would hate to get stuck with a piece of crap, or worse :explode2: Building 2 rigs and could use a winnie for the wife's - she won't know the diff.
Get the stepping before you buy anything. If its a CBBID, run away quickly. There are are some CPU charts, either stickied on this forum or the xtreme overclocking forum, that have a list of users max overclock, what stepping, voltage, cooling, ect. Shoudl give an idea of what the CPU would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by stickx
OFFTOPIC:XBit Sempron E review! Didn't see that one comin'...
Their version of CPU-Z detects it as a Paris core, but it got SSE3.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/s...00e/cpuz-2.png
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Originally Posted by Mats
Was looking at Processors>AMD at Newegg early this morning, or rather attempting to, and it was down, but just the AMD section only. Once it came back up, I was looking for Venice cored chips. Didn't see any, obviously, but I saw the Palermo cored 3100's ( not sure if they were there before or not ). Wow, that is some performance from a $118 chip.
For certain systems that just need raw processing, non-cache related, the 3100's are a friggin' bargain. If a budget mainboard could be found that could run these at high FSB ( like the DFI does ), that would be just the ticket for some looking to powerup for DC projects such as D2OL. :)
At any rate, this bodes real well for when Venice and SD chips do finally get here. The future looks bright. Now if it would just get here!
Omg this sux since I live close to the UKQuote:
Originally Posted by Wingz
Bye 4 april
I'm getting a new Winnie now :rolleyes:
From Xbit 3800+ review:
First I thought it was plain BS, but then I looked at the CPU pic, the Vcore letter is "A"!? Now we all want 1.35 V, but there's no way of telling which is which from the OPN anymore... :mad:Quote:
Venice based CPU prepared one more surprise for us: variable Vcore. AMD resorted to the same trick Intel did when packaging their CPU dies. Venice based processors will not have Vcore indicated on the die package. Different CPUs may have different Vcore: 1.35V or 1.4V. And unfortunately, there will be no way to tell the nominal processor core voltage from its exterior.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/a...ce/photo-s.jpg
Ok I dunno, but Xbit says that both Sempron D and Sempron E are called Palermo, the one you linked to is a Sempron D "SDA3100BABOX".Quote:
Originally Posted by serlv
Might be good to know for those looking for Sempron E.
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AMD’s roadmap doesn’t distinguish between the D and E core revisions. At the same time, these two core revisions are very different from one another, even though they are both manufactured with 90nm process. E core revision supports SSE3 instructions and boasts slightly upgraded memory controller compared with the memory controller used in D core revision. Nevertheless, the roadmap calls both cores Palermo, despite the above mentioned significant differences.
Therefore, you should understand that even though Sempron processors on Palermo core have already been around for quite a while (you can check out our review of the Sempron 2600+ CPU dating back to March 4, 2005), the Sempron 3100+ CPU we are going to talk about today is a different product. Our today’s processor is based on the E core stepping (Venice analog), while the CPUs that have been selling before April 4, 2005 are all based on D core stepping (Winchester analog).
So, if you are going to shop for some Sempron processors, you should be very careful and pay special attention to their marking, because only CPUs on the E core revision with SDAXXXXAIO3BO and SDAXXXXAIO2BO OPN will offer you SSE3 support and other nice advantages.
^^ well whatever that bodes well for yields. Didnt make too much sense to compare to intel. It was hypothesized they were putting more volts in then originally intended to get all there speed grades out. On the flipside to Intel's credit... that was also a BIG assumption back then considering everything that went on (added strained silicon, change the architecture a bit, and also pulled off a die-shrink). What is comparable is that we dont know. :(
Only point is everyone was expecting 1.4v... less is nice though yeah that does make hunting tough. But face it... you're searching for a new-found perhaps diamond in the rough compared to what was expected. Be a little different if this news went the other way (1.4's and 1.45's in the market place). Then you get the feeling you are trying to dodge a turd. Funny how my points run into another... the biggest downside is unavoidable. Kind of takes the hunt out of hunting if you can't tell.
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Originally Posted by mcnbns
You seriously are joking right? :stick: OMFG!!! I paid by paypal I can't get a refund... I'm such a nub :dammit:
I would never pre-order hardware... NEVER. Who throws up the web page and starts taking pre-orders has never followed, in any kind of pattern, who actually has them first.
LOL, yeah I guess you're right. It's just that it would have been so much easier if they kept the letters like before. Every overclocker would get "K", and all the other gets what left for them, "I". :DQuote:
Originally Posted by texuspete00
Whoops, my bad! Thanks for the correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
How could you tell that? It only shows the Boxed version code at newegg, and not the actual code from the chip. I thought the BA meant "E" rev.
It would be good to know for future use.
edit Ahh, I see it now. BA="D", BO= "E"
Well my money will sit in paypal till someone actually has a 3500+ in stock. I figure if it dont OC good at least i have a 2.2 gig cpu and not a 1.8 gig.
Yea thats the thing that sucks about paypal, can't easily cancel an order. Meh if it doesn't o/c good you should still have at least a 2.4-2.5 ghz setup ;). If mine doesn't o/c well, I'll just keep the fx-53, and sell the 3000+ until I can snatch a venice from someone that does 2.8+ on air.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Don't panic. These guys will get it to you when it released. Unless Canada has a different date for release than the U.S. you should get it about the same time as everyone else. I pre-ordered my DFI SLI mobo through these guys and it was here about the same time as NewEgg's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
Same here, and I didn't have to worry about Newegg selling out (which it did immediately)Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
The end of April was a preliminary date given to NCIX Canada (not sure about U.S.) by AMD. Also, I'm not sure it was the official NCIX word because it was just one of their forum admins that posted it.
Deleted for flaming.
You guys in US are lucky. Here in Poland we mostly wait one month after pre for new hw. I was waiting for winnie 1,5 month. Good thing is that .cz and .de have new hw fast.
But then if i think about Asia , there are lucky bastards. They always have stuff first.
Venices are not as cold-sensitive, note his 3500+ at 3GHz/-40C/default volts. Miles better than any Winchester I've tried . . .
Also be looking for his testing of a 3800+ Venice to come soon ;)
just got the info this morning
too bad venice won't be seen in the market until May.
we still have wait a bit to get it.
what do you mean you got the info this morning? 0% credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSW
I'm sorry for being stoopid, but what will be the multiplier availabilty on these chips? Completely locked, or what?
Thanks
same as regular a64's.. unlocked down, locked up.
Yea, same as previous 939 A64s... 9x for the 3000, 10 for the 3200, 11 for the 3500, 12 for the 3800.
thanks thats what i figured but the last chip i owned was mobile XP, so I just wanted to check...
Im getting either the 3500 or 3800.. Im going to wait about 2 weeks after most here receive them to see how they are clocking. I guess AMD paper laumched these, which sucks.
ncix.com has some in .. but not in stock
aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
Can't hold out much longer!
Must get a CPU ASAP!!
I don't see any launchQuote:
Originally Posted by The Mofo
Show me the press release
Great..........paper launch, just what we needed.
Upon reflection, AMD may not WANT to issue an official PR. Certainly not before San Diego parts are also available. Doing so would hurt sales of pre-Venice parts. They may wait until most of the rev D and rev CG stuff is completely gone from the channel.
No one should be using the term "paper launch" for something AMD has not officially launched.
Consider that the distributor document referred to shipping dates. It would not be at all unusual for shipping to precede an official launch by a couple weeks.
That's not a paper launch. That's the very OPPOSITE of a paper launch: shipping (and some early places selling) BEFORE the official PR goes out.
Hey it seems NCIX offeres an immediate refund for backordered items no matter what payment was issued. So I feel better now :toast: If the :banana::banana::banana::banana: softly hits the fan I'm canceling the order.
MonarchQuote:
Originally Posted by Viper87227
awesome :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC2
lets hope they'll be selling them in a couple of days
any updates on Venice? so no one has em yet? well if they shipped on the 4th itll take 2 weeks before they reach vendors anyway
Just got an e-mail from Eric at Monarch a few minutes ago; "Still no valid ETA as of yet." Something smells fishy. :(
I couldnt talk it anymore. I broke down. Found a good deal on a CBBFD 0434MPM. Should be interesting to see how it dose, CBBFD has been hit or miss.
Good thing I will be broke for the next few weeks as I would probably break down as well :D
Was any of this info actually from amd? B/c the more i think about it the more i realise, they've SAID nothing about this, its just their roadmap and the dates came from somewhere. Im not saying those wernt the release dates, but hey, how do we know they are?
Prolly this is the source http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...hange_1_UK.pdf
It does say expected, but still...
Straight from the horses mouth: NCIX FORUM ADMIN
Just great. :bananal: :bs:Quote:
Estimate is by the end of the month, but it basically depends on how quickly AMD runs out of Winchesters. None are shipping yet, and even our AMD reps are unr=sure when they'll appear exactly. And there are NO price drops on Winchesters.
@ Tibu YGPM
Yeah, so hurry up and buy up the rest of those Winchesters, guys! ;)Quote:
Estimate is by the end of the month, but it basically depends on how quickly AMD runs out of Winchesters. None are shipping yet, and even our AMD reps are unr=sure when they'll appear exactly. And there are NO price drops on Winchesters.
From the looks of it, AMD just stopped making them. According to this thread on anand, somone baught a 3000+ and got a new stepping. ADA3000DIK4BI LBBID 0512APMW. He hasnt OCed it yet, but I am real curios to see how it does. Watch him get 2.8ghz and everyone say :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: venice. For your sake, hope its good, because if it is it should speed up winny sales....Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=1562061
I wouldn't worry about that, Newcastles are still selling reasonably well. Most buyers see that NC = $30 less than Winny, so they by the NC not knowing what the differences are. Assuming the Venice will also have a premium, the same thing will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel
Oh well, no reason to cancel order as shipping is actually cheaper to where I live than at Newegg, if Newegg gets them first for some reason. And it's not like I don't have any gaming comp right now to play Source and others. Plus I still need a PCI-e 6800 and good 24pin PSU so I guess I'll wait this one out and see what happens.