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03-17-2005, 04:37 AM
DrJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

but winnies still arent that bad if you dont mind losing 200-300MHz performance, better ondie, sse3 and higher IPC but cant wait!

:confused: ? :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

why would a Venice have a Higher IPC then any other AMD 64?

My thoughts exactly. :lol: Geforce, where did you hear that. I dont think SSE3 support and optimizations = IPC.
03-17-2005, 04:43 AM
Ad Rock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ailleur

Okay ill think ill be getting rocks thrown at me but i really dotn see what the big deal is.
First, its already a 3800+, a 450mhz overclock (and thats only superpi 1mb stable) isnt anything to write home about. Hell if it stops at 2850mhz (he said it didnt finish a 2900, so thats less than 30 seconds of stability), a good 3000+ can already do that.

Then 3000mhz at -47? Sure he didnt throw 1.70volts at it but im not sure these will even TAKE 1.7v, theres always a threshold where upping the voltage actually does anything, and if the stock voltage is lower, then the upper voltage will follow.

I guess im gonna have to see what a 3000 or a 3200 can do cause a 18% overclock (that we dont know is stable) on air isnt really blowing my pants away.

I think the point of that last screenshot that he showed us was to let us know that the Venice core can run stable in the -'s. Seeing as how the Vcore is so low he has not pushed the chip yet, just simply showing us that it will run with the superlow temps.
03-17-2005, 04:47 AM
isp

So, phase change only got you 100mhz? :( or maybe you haven't finished pushing it...I hope :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ad Rock

I think the point of that last screenshot that he showed us was to let us know that the Venice core can run stable in the -'s.

I don't see any stability?
03-17-2005, 04:54 AM
The Coolest

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay

:confused: ? :confused:

My thoughts exactly. :lol: Geforce, where did you here that. I dont think SSE3 support and optimizations = IPC.

The E revision chips have a redesigned memory controller and erreta fixes that increase the performance.
The erreta fixes usually increase performance in any application that needs raw CPU power, but the affect of erreta is really negligible. But apps with need for memory bandwidth and especially games will probably see a gain of a few % when comparing Venice and Winchester at the same speed.
Its the same story as it was when we went from NewCastles to Winchesters, there was a very little, but consistant increase in performance on the Winchester.
03-17-2005, 05:06 AM
krille

woooot!! can't wait for san diego on ice :banana4:
03-17-2005, 05:12 AM
DrJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Coolest

Its the same story as it was when we went from NewCastles to Winchesters, there was a very little, but consistant increase in performance on the Winchester.

Right. Very little because they were optimizations, which is what you are speaking of. I'm not an expert in this field but to the best of my knowledge, to change the instructions per cycle, you'd need to alter the architecture of the cpu.
03-17-2005, 05:14 AM
TysonM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reject

is that like 24 hours stable? cuase it seems a bit low compared to 2.9 on stock air

24 hours??? Lol. We've all been jumping on him to check out phase change every few minutes, we certainly haven't given him 24 hours to play with!!!

I see that he can reach 3gig with lower volts than he needed on air...

-47c? I don't see no cold bug here!!!!

Things are looking gooooooooooooood...

S7e9h3n... :worship: :worship: :worship: THANK YOU!
03-17-2005, 05:38 AM
The Coolest

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay

Right. Very little because they were optimizations, which is what you are speaking of. I'm not an expert in this field but to the best of my knowledge, to change the instructions per cycle, you'd need to alter the architecture of the cpu.

Yeah, you're right. But its not optimizations, its errata fixes. Errata is basically a bug in the CPU, so when it gets fixed, performance increases by a small margin as the CPU doesn't have to deal with the consequences of these "bugs".
In the first post I wanted, but forgot to say "He (Geforce4ti4200) probably meant increased performance and not actually higher IPC".
errata fixes increase the efficiency of the chip, they do not increase the IPC of a chip.
03-17-2005, 05:52 AM
EMC2

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Hello all,
Man it's been a long night with this Venice. ,,,, It's almost 4:00AM here and I need to get some sleep for work tomorrow. I know you all are wondering what's the deal with venice and sub zero....well here's the answer:

-47C on stock Mach2 Display
-31C from Type K Thermocouple mounted to the side of the IHS

Move over Winchesters, cause Venice has arrived...... ;)

No cold bug :D Now the only Q is how the mem controller tweaks do.

Thank you s7e9h3n for your efforts! :toast:
03-17-2005, 06:03 AM
Ref

:slobber:
3 GHz @ 1.36 V ;)

nice, test it more, we wanna see moore :toast:
and remember to test 4x256 MB RAM 1T and your other Venice :D
03-17-2005, 06:03 AM
[XC] leviathan18

come on friday arrive soon plz so our friend s7e9h3n can play with that cpu and show to us how far can OC it with sub 0 temps (give the poor man a rest 4am and his awake)
03-17-2005, 06:12 AM
esdee

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay

:confused: ? :confused:

My thoughts exactly. :lol: Geforce, where did you hear that. I dont think SSE3 support and optimizations = IPC.

that clock per clock advantage of the Venice should be true considered the new SOI process the venice has, i doudt it's because of the SSE3 support
03-17-2005, 06:19 AM
[XC] leviathan18

venice has sSOI process? or that is just reserved for the fx 57?
03-17-2005, 06:24 AM
WiCKeD

Quote:

Originally Posted by TysonM

24 hours??? Lol. We've all been jumping on him to check out phase change every few minutes, we certainly haven't given him 24 hours to play with!!!

I'd settle for 10 minutes on Prime or maybe even a 3DMark run... I want to know what these things can actually run at.
03-17-2005, 06:24 AM
krille

hey, what time is it over there in Happy Land? :banana:

I wanna know how long till WEEEK-END!! :toast:
03-17-2005, 06:31 AM
clockedOut

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiCKeD

I'd settle for 10 minutes on Prime or maybe even a 3DMark run... I want to know what these things can actually run at.

Well your not gonna get 3D from him soon.... he only has a crappy PCI graphics card.

I think thats what I read.... :shrug: :wierd: Way toooooo much info in these threads.
03-17-2005, 06:49 AM
Snowman89

is the venice gonna be cheaper or expensiver than the winchester?
03-17-2005, 06:50 AM
[XC] leviathan18

yes he has a 9800 pro
03-17-2005, 06:54 AM
krille

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman89

is the venice gonna be cheaper or expensiver than the winchester?

Most certainly the same MSRP from AMD. Then the retailer can of course gauge the price quite a bit, if he finds fit. Pretty soon, though, prices will be as relaxed as they're now on the winchies. All speculations though.
03-17-2005, 07:00 AM
Sentential

Very very nice :toast: Glad AMD worked the bugs out
03-17-2005, 07:02 AM
dippyskoodlez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentential

Very very nice :toast: Glad AMD worked the bugs out

As am I... I just "inherited" 4 air conditioners... :D
03-17-2005, 07:11 AM
fagin

I really don't see any negatives with 3 Ghz at only 1.36. Thats very impressive to me - even non stable - give the guy some time to post his results! A bit of patience. Thanks for your efforts s7e9h3n :toast:

BTW - my winnie is suprisingly robust as far as vcore is concerned. I accidently left it at 2.60 on 1.8vcore. Using water cooling. I was running F@H. I came back 8 hours later, and it was still running at a CPU temp of 64C - this was also putting 3.6v through my BH6. I mention this just to illustrate than my winnie isn't a fragile little flower, so I hope the Venice isn't either :toast:
03-17-2005, 07:49 AM
Levish

good job!
03-17-2005, 08:14 AM
i found nemo

holy ba jeebus
03-17-2005, 08:33 AM
krille

Quote:

Originally Posted by :banana::banana::banana:in

I really don't see any negatives with 3 Ghz at only 1.36. Thats very impressive to me - even non stable - give the guy some time to post his results! A bit of patience. Thanks for your efforts s7e9h3n :toast:

BTW - my winnie is suprisingly robust as far as vcore is concerned. I accidently left it at 2.60 on 1.8vcore. Using water cooling. I was running F@H. I came back 8 hours later, and it was still running at a CPU temp of 64C - this was also putting 3.6v through my BH6. I mention this just to illustrate than my winnie isn't a fragile little flower, so I hope the Venice isn't either :toast:

Well, someone had his FX-55 running for weeks with severe condensation problems - there was water all over (he realized this when he checked twice, but fortunatley had been using dielectric grease on the pins). The system got quite unstable at times, but the mobo and FX-55 survived. That's what I call robust.
03-17-2005, 08:37 AM
MrQ3W

My Newcastle has survived 2.16V pumping through it for an hour with only the stock cooler to protect it. :D
03-17-2005, 09:00 AM
DrJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Coolest

In the first post I wanted, but forgot to say "He (Geforce4ti4200) probably meant increased performance and not actually higher IPC".

Makes sense. Higher performance but most likely not higher IPC. :banana:
03-17-2005, 09:09 AM
Tekdemon

dammit I was all set to buy a Winchester 3000+ but now I'm tempted to wait for Venice to come out in 3000+ trim...
Although I guess we don't really know how the yields are going to be yet.
03-17-2005, 09:12 AM
krille

What's up with the benches? We're waiting :D

No, really, take your time... and blast the thing to HELL!! :devil:
03-17-2005, 09:21 AM
trakslacker

yeah, I'm almost certain his screenie was just to show that Venice has no subzero boot issues. give the man time, I'm sure he'll give us what we want to see.

And as much as I hate to say this, stephen, go get some sleep! :)
03-17-2005, 09:25 AM
clockedOut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekdemon

dammit I was all set to buy a Winchester 3000+ but now I'm tempted to wait for Venice to come out in 3000+ trim...
Although I guess we don't really know how the yields are going to be yet.

I really dont see why anybody wants to buy a winchester??? The newer ones seem to be poor clockers and have weak mem controllers.
UNLESS you can find the MAGIC cpu.
03-17-2005, 09:32 AM
terrace215

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay

Right. Very little because they were optimizations, which is what you are speaking of. I'm not an expert in this field but to the best of my knowledge, to change the instructions per cycle, you'd need to alter the architecture of the cpu.

No, you certainly aren't. :)

Improved performance at the same clock = more instructions per cycle. The global architecture does not need to be changed. Optimizations "count" too.
03-17-2005, 09:44 AM
TommyW

than can we buy this amaizing cpu :slobber: :slobber:

i think i wait and only buy a new mobo , video card , memory , case

and after that i buy me new vanice 3200+ :slobber: :slobber:
03-17-2005, 09:58 AM
Kunaak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

amd may do tweaks to the cache, ondie controller and what not. I already saw benchmarks where a winny was 3-5% faster than a newcastle(both s939) and I hear venice will once again raise this

the reason why this happend is not cause of anything being tweaked or really changed in any signifigant way.
it's cause they moved from the .13 process to the .09.
thats all.
03-17-2005, 10:00 AM
TommyW

less heat more pref... :D
03-17-2005, 10:12 AM
shuRe

i agree with Ailluer. So it can do 3g underphase which is OK. It does 2.9 on air stable? (maybe) which is about a 2.7g fx55.

fx55 will do 2.7 on air easy, prolly 2.8-2.9 if ur lucky, and seeing that this is a 3800+ i cant see it being that cheaper than a 130nm fx55..

If the 3500+ could do 3g stable on air then i would be impressed.
03-17-2005, 10:16 AM
Caper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven

look at this
already avaible?

:stick:

Nope, just because it´s listed doesn´t mean it´s available.
They have none at stock.
A company here in Sweden has also listed it and expect it to be available April 26.
03-17-2005, 10:17 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ailleur

Okay ill think ill be getting rocks thrown at me but i really dotn see what the big deal is.
First, its already a 3800+, a 450mhz overclock (and thats only superpi 1mb stable) isnt anything to write home about. Hell if it stops at 2850mhz (he said it didnt finish a 2900, so thats less than 30 seconds of stability), a good 3000+ can already do that.

Then 3000mhz at -47? Sure he didnt throw 1.70volts at it but im not sure these will even TAKE 1.7v, theres always a threshold where upping the voltage actually does anything, and if the stock voltage is lower, then the upper voltage will follow.

I guess im gonna have to see what a 3000 or a 3200 can do cause a 18% overclock (that we dont know is stable) on air isnt really blowing my pants away.

Hey, if you cared to read the thread, you'd understand that the "big deal" doesn't concern pure clock speed as opposed to basic characteristics of the new Venice core. Show me your Winchester that can boot at -30C and we'll talk, otherwise just continue to read and you may get a better understanding of why this thread is here in the first place. Btw, I DID throw 1.7V+ at the cpu - I just haven't posted the results.....yet.... :)
03-17-2005, 10:17 AM
DrJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrace215

No, you certainly aren't.

No need for that. We can agree to disagree,.......at least until one of us is proven wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrace215

Improved performance at the same clock = more instructions per cycle. The global architecture does not need to be changed. Optimizations "count" too.

I think improved performace can be achieved by things like more efficient handling / routing of data. It seems like such things could result in increased performace to you, the user of the computer without actually increasing the internal IPC of the cpu.
03-17-2005, 10:18 AM
Caper

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Btw, I DID throw 1.7V+ at the cpu - I just haven't posted the results.....yet.... :)

What are ya waiting for??
:)
03-17-2005, 10:21 AM
andL64

yeah but none in stock its also listend @ geizhals 3x 3800+ 1x .13 2x .09 cores one is a venice with BP stepping not really available.
Still one shop has it listend in .de they also got listend a 4000+ "winchester" but with 1024kB? maybe/4sure? its an error because the shop listend only one 3800+ which is a "winchester".

gonna know moa bout in some days also whats about 4200+ and so on

pretty nice times for AMD it has already done cores that finally really really rocks!

seEn
03-17-2005, 10:33 AM
RAndomaN

getting better, show us what this thing can really do stephen :p
03-17-2005, 10:35 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caper

What are ya waiting for??
:)

Hold up real quick - you ever had one of those long OC'ing nights where you wake up the next day and everything wasn't as clear as you had thought it was the night before? Well if you think that sounds stupid, then you'll really like the fact that I can't find where I saved some screenies I was sure that I'd taken :rolleyes: Excuse me while I search a little bit, but here's a little something to look at. If you guys don't hear from me for an hour or two, it's because I'm going to work and I find it kind of tough to post from my laptop while driving 80+ Mph...please be patient. :)

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9630/11x275m29153qe.jpg

Oh, BTW: this is at -29C Idle, -15C Load. Measurements were taken from a thermocouple I attached to the side of the IHS of the 3800+.
03-17-2005, 10:40 AM
terrace215

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay

I think improved performace can be achieved by things like more efficient handling / routing of data. It seems like such things could result in increased performace to you, the user of the computer without actually increasing the internal IPC of the cpu.

It's very simple. If you replace the CPU with a different CPU that runs at the same frequency, and the system performance improves ( = faster = same instructions were processed in less time), the new CPU has better IPC than the old one, by definition.

And that's just what the mentioned optimizations accomplish.
03-17-2005, 10:44 AM
alexio

Nice results !!!

You can atleast tell us if it likes high volts right?
03-17-2005, 10:50 AM
Caper

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

If you guys don't hear from me for an hour or two, it's because I'm going to work and I find it kind of tough to post from my laptop while driving 80+ Mph...please be patient. :)

Drive carefully, no rush.
And ya better get some sleep tonight, don´t spend all night at the rig :)
We are all curious about the Venice but do not mean to rush you.
Take your time and post when you feel to :)
03-17-2005, 10:58 AM
stealth17

looks like there will be a 3000 venice :banana: :banana:

ADA3000ASBOX 1800MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3200ASBOX 2000MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3500ASBOX 2200MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3800ASBOX 2400MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 89W 70° C Venice 0.31
03-17-2005, 10:59 AM
MrQ3W

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealth17

looks like there will be a 3000 venice :banana: :banana:

ADA3000ASBOX 1800MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3200ASBOX 2000MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3500ASBOX 2200MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3800ASBOX 2400MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 89W 70° C Venice 0.31

Sweet. :D
03-17-2005, 10:59 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexio

Nice results !!!

You can atleast tell us if it likes high volts right?

Yeah, it can handle a decent amount of Vcore, but performance scales oddly in terms of vcore with this chip. I'll explain later when I get to work, but check the v-core here :D And YES, I did try higher....

http://i137.exs.cx/img137/8564/10x310m3zm.jpg

I don't recall the exact temps for this shot, but I'm thinking ~ -25C idle, ~ -12C load
03-17-2005, 11:01 AM
stealth17

i cant wait to see one of these on a DFI nF4...it will pwn
03-17-2005, 11:05 AM
s7e9h3n

Also, please remember, that all these screenshot are using relatively "safe" timings. If I had time to tweak this setup, you'd very likely see much improved numbers......

I'm off to work, but I wanted to mention to those people that were waiting for a test with 4x256 that I didn't get around to it last night and I promise that's the first thing I'll do when I get a chance. Sorry....
03-17-2005, 11:09 AM
Snowman89

omg, tested the 3500 yet?
03-17-2005, 11:10 AM
charlie

The Venice looks like the Winchester was to the Newcastle... a "subtle" improvement. Hopefully it'll be available soon in quantity so the e-tailers dont GOUGE too much. I'm sure NEWGOUGE, I mean EGG will have a field day with Venice when they arrive!! I'll buy my FX55/90nM from Monarch :D

C
03-17-2005, 11:10 AM
OjorisO

OMG :slobber:

This is way more than I'd expected :toast:

GJ AMD :banana:
03-17-2005, 11:16 AM
Snowman89

think of a fx57 with that core, if that can hit 3.1ghz with ease a fx57 with ln2 can hit 4ghz 4.3ghz? :D :D :D
03-17-2005, 11:18 AM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie

The Venice looks like the Winchester was to the Newcastle... a "subtle" improvement. Hopefully it'll be available soon in quantity so the e-tailers dont GOUGE too much. I'm sure NEWGOUGE, I mean EGG will have a field day with Venice when they arrive!! I'll buy my FX55/90nM from Monarch :D

C

Plus, tax is no fun for us here in California.... :mad:
03-17-2005, 11:22 AM
alexio

:eek:
03-17-2005, 11:24 AM
Holst

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman89

think of a fx57 with that core, if that can hit 3.1ghz with ease a fx57 with ln2 can hit 4ghz 4.3ghz? :D :D :D

Thats not 3.1 with ease...

Thats 3.1 on phase change..

Seems that phase change hasnt given a massive boost in overclocking performance, unless there is more to tweak out of it..
We shall see.

But 2.9gig on air is pretty impressive.
03-17-2005, 11:36 AM
Unrealcpu

i think we will see more like 3.4-3.5 on the FX57 on vapo
03-17-2005, 11:38 AM
blinky

so this one doesnt really scale with phase change either :( :(
03-17-2005, 11:40 AM
[XC] leviathan18

i would like to see the 3500 or maybe a 3200 that is something that i can afford
03-17-2005, 11:41 AM
computersmsa

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealth17

looks like there will be a 3000 venice :banana: :banana:

ADA3000ASBOX 1800MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3200ASBOX 2000MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3500ASBOX 2200MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3800ASBOX 2400MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 89W 70° C Venice 0.31

This is Newcastel SH7-CG, not Venice ;)
03-17-2005, 11:49 AM
Caper

Quote:

Originally Posted by computersmsa

This is Newcastel SH7-CG, not Venice ;)

There will be 3000+ based on Venice according to xbitlabs.

Athlon 64 3000+ (ADA3000BPBOX)
Athlon 64 3200+ (ADA3200BPBOX)
Athlon 64 3500+ (ADA3500BPBOX)
03-17-2005, 11:58 AM
computersmsa

Yes :)
BP is Venice
AS not :)
03-17-2005, 12:21 PM
Franky 4 Finger

ADA3500ASBOX 2200MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3800ASBOX 2400MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 89W 70° C Venice 0.31

What does the increase in wattage between the 3500+ and the 3800+ indicate? Is it increased thermal leakage at speeds above 2.2ghz?
03-17-2005, 12:22 PM
computersmsa

This store is idiot ... (Steg.ch)
Don't look what he write ...
03-17-2005, 12:27 PM
trans am

Quote:

Originally Posted by computersmsa

This store is idiot ... (Steg.ch)
Don't look what he write ...

We're all idiots compared to Venice.
03-17-2005, 12:31 PM
Geforce4ti4200

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holst

Thats not 3.1 with ease...

Thats 3.1 on phase change..

Seems that phase change hasnt given a massive boost in overclocking performance, unless there is more to tweak out of it..
We shall see.

But 2.9gig on air is pretty impressive.

we still need to see what his 3500+ venice does. I guess Venice runs so cool that better cooling just doesnt help much as they arent heat limited at all! I did get away just fine with my winny and stock cooling and its only slightly warm at 2.6GHz and 1.58v too! I was thinking of getting a prometeia cheap from my friend but for 200MHz it just isnt worth it! Hopefully the fx57 diego scales better since it has more cache, higher clocks=more heat. We have seen 3.5GHz with cascade on fx55s, no reason not to see north of 3GHz or even 4GHz with those fx57 monsters. I still think amd is saving their best silcon for the diegos. what we saw with a venice may just be a warmup compared to what we could see with diego :slobber:
03-17-2005, 12:49 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

I still think amd is saving their best silcon for the diegos. what we saw with a venice may just be a warmup compared to what we could see with diego :slobber:

hopefully... hopefully :toast:
though don't forget that the turions fall into this binning mess too.
03-17-2005, 12:53 PM
shuRe

the turions look v promising with thier 1mb cache
03-17-2005, 12:55 PM
andL64

agreed with geforceti

all the .09 512kb didnt gain much with my machII its disappointing because see some ppl hitting the spot 2,9-3,0ghz with water or good air and if they only could bench 1M spi.
so my old 3700+ clocks as well 2,8 and all the winchesters i got wasnt that good (lower cache compared) or got a bad mem. controller or died in sudden death i ll definetly get rid of them and save the money for a 1024kb cpu like FX55 or maybe 4000+ (or what comes next) because this isnt it worth @ all....

seEn
03-17-2005, 01:15 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by andL64

agreed with geforceti

all the .09 512kb didnt gain much with my machII its disappointing because see some ppl hitting the spot 2,9-3,0ghz with water or good air and if they only could bench 1M spi.
so my old 3700+ clocks as well 2,8 and all the winchesters i got wasnt that good (lower cache compared) or got a bad mem. controller or died in sudden death i ll definetly get rid of them and save the money for a 1024kb cpu like FX55 or maybe 4000+ (or what comes next) because this isnt it worth @ all....

seEn

I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement ;) Here's my FX55 @ 291x11 -

http://img203.exs.cx/img203/4040/291x117rr.jpg
03-17-2005, 01:17 PM
Charloz24

BTW this thread is linked on Overclockers.com frontpage today :toast:
03-17-2005, 01:19 PM
s7e9h3n

And here's the 3800+ @ 290x11 -

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/4919/11x290m29153cu.jpg

Not bad @ half the price :D
03-17-2005, 01:22 PM
S&M

wow ! great work !
03-17-2005, 01:27 PM
alexio

In Arithmetic it is even slightly faster than the FX55 at the same speed, very nice with only the half amount of cache.

What vcore does it take to get it superpi 1m stable at 3.2ghz?, if it's possible at all.
03-17-2005, 01:29 PM
Vapor

Wow, 3.2 @ 1.57 (and just about as fast as an FX at the same speed!)!! Let's see what more this chip can do! :toast:
03-17-2005, 01:29 PM
conrad.maranan

Nice. This is getting better with every screenshot that you post up. I like the technique being used here: gradual build-up of excitement with intermittent posts. ;)

Keep 'em coming.
03-17-2005, 01:32 PM
alexio

Yeah, and I'm pushing him :D
03-17-2005, 01:34 PM
s7e9h3n

Sorry, this is going to be a little OT, but I promised Kunaak these:

Unpatched:
http://img164.exs.cx/img164/3453/unpatched0hh.jpg

Patched with SSE3 fix:
http://img164.exs.cx/img164/2226/patched9pb.jpg
03-17-2005, 01:36 PM
MrQ3W

Would be even nicer if it were a 3000+ or 3200+ doing this, think that is what most people will be getting unless they OC drastically worse.
03-17-2005, 01:36 PM
[XC] leviathan18

nice really nice OC i would like to see tight times on memory and some prime perhaps thanks for all the info you are posting here
03-17-2005, 01:38 PM
RAndomaN

just gets better, if this thing can get 3.3 then they are truly good chips. Nice SPi bench aswell, shows SSE3 is doing something :p
03-17-2005, 01:40 PM
esdee

:slobber: OMG if this is an avarage overclocker chip then comparing with Winchester looks like C0 Vs CG or TbredA Vs TbredB WTG AMD!!!
03-17-2005, 01:48 PM
[XC] leviathan18

i dont get the sse3 fix? anyone can help me with that?
03-17-2005, 01:51 PM
Caper

The 3800+ are sweet :)
Now...I am interested to see that 3500+ in action too :)
It would be very interesting to see how it behaves both on air and under subzero conditions.

If it behaves as good as the 3800+ or close to it, it would be great.

Good work s7e9h3n!

Edit: Congratulations, this thread are on many OC sites first pages....all over the world :)
03-17-2005, 01:53 PM
s7e9h3n

3.2Ghz is as far as the 3800+ would go last night. I know she's got a bit more in her, but I'm reluctant to push a cpu which I hadn't originally planned on keeping. This morning, right before I left for work, she made the decision a little more difficult :

http://img165.exs.cx/img165/2217/spi7ll.jpg

For reason unknown to me, temps with the cpu were better than they were last night even though ambient was warmer:

-31C Idle and -20C Load
03-17-2005, 01:58 PM
alexio

Keep it and sell the FX55, the value of the FX55 will be half in a few weeks if I look at this :banana4:

Did you try 1.7V on the cpu btw?
03-17-2005, 01:58 PM
sparkie34

Nice work! :toast:
03-17-2005, 02:00 PM
clockedOut

Im sure he could sell this chip right now and get a good chunk of change.
03-17-2005, 02:00 PM
Vapor

How about a subzero suicide, s7e9h3n?
03-17-2005, 02:06 PM
Caper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

How about a subzero suicide, s7e9h3n?

I would be more interested in a Prime95 run at 3200 Mhz.
By the screenshots I can see that he has it installed.
03-17-2005, 02:11 PM
Squid_Spit

Sweet! Keep pushing it 3.4ghz should be possible.
03-17-2005, 02:12 PM
s7e9h3n

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/9927/11x300m1hn.jpg

When I took this shot last night, I thought that this was basically gonna be the ceiling, but am having to revise those ideas. This morning I was able to get through Sandra's bandwidth bench (~8600/8600mb/s) and the Cpu Bench was 80% complete when it dropped out of windows. This leads me to believe that, with the right settings, it may be possible to run some intensive i.e. 3dmark, Prime benches stable at ~3.2Ghz with this chip. I know it is irrelevant in terms of anything, but for what it's worth, I'm able to use clockgen to take this 3800+ to 3.4Ghz in windows - only to crap out everytime when I try to paste the screenshot :p:
03-17-2005, 02:13 PM
Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caper

I would be more interested in a Prime95 run at 3200 Mhz.
By the screenshots I can see that he has it installed.

I'm also interested in that, but, from what I can tell, 3.2 is about all he'll get stable...so I want a suicide to see how far this can really go (even if it can't do jack). :p:

EDIT: 3.4 seems to be the max to run it at...maybe 3.39 (;)) is necessary to paste the screenshot.
03-17-2005, 02:14 PM
HARDCORECLOCKER

:D Come on and wake up guys - no need to get nervous - this is "only" the new 3800+, what do You think we will see here in a few weeks from 4000+, 4200+ and FX-57 ???

Think the average of MHz will increase dramaticly......... :toast:
03-17-2005, 02:14 PM
alexio

Try screenhunter: http://www.download.com/ScreenHunter...ml?tag=lst-0-1
03-17-2005, 02:16 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexio

Keep it and sell the FX55, the value of the FX55 will be half in a few weeks if I look at this :banana4:

Did you try 1.7V on the cpu btw?

That's one of the screenies I've misplaced :rolleyes: I've taken the cpu to 1.77 actual Vcore using max settings from bios + CoreCenter's setting to 1.85V. No amount of Vcore seems to make much of a difference in OC beyond ~1.66 - 1.7V.
03-17-2005, 02:18 PM
Pr0d1gy

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Note that you're not going to find any 3dmark benches here since I own an old 9800Pro Agp card (yeah, yeah - I was waiting to switch to pci-express).

Hey I will trade you my SLI setup for that Venice :D
03-17-2005, 02:21 PM
Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

:D Come on and wake up guys - no need to get nervous - this is "only" the new 3800+, what do You think we will see here in a few weeks from 4000+, 4200+ and FX-57 ???

Think the average of MHz will increase dramaticly......... :toast:

IDK about how well the 4000+ and FX-57 should clock (maybe 3.25/3.35 stable with the same phasechange as s7e9h3n [this is of course a guess]), but shouldn't the 4200+ be the same as the 3800+ (4200+ = 2.6GHz, 512k, right?) if AMD doesn't bin??

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