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This is the teasing part of the new marketing scheme ;)
true, then the guinea pigs will buy the boards and tell the rest of us how it is.
If you look hard enough, it also says RS480 in the first line of small print...definitely the NB.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
Hexus has a little article on the Sapphire GROUPER
You got those pics from Hexus.net It looks like, I say that as They have the same pics. I won't direct link from there as It's a long way off.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3FFeX
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews...lld19JRD0xMDUw
The feedback is a little overwhelming so I'll try to keep up with this thread and answer some questions...
There seems to be recurring questions regarding the ROM sockets. One is for system bios, the other two are SATA option roms for the SI3132s. The option roms may not be required on production boards. They are provisioned for testing but may be removed. If they are no longer required as option ROMs we might consider converting them to secondary sbios sockets.
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Originally Posted by jjcom
Actually yes, and pretty significantly if you are running a water cooled system. Many boards mount passive heatsinks on the MOSFETs and they rely on some amount of airflow coming from CPU heatsink to dissipate the heat. On an overvoltaged system, without any airflow from the CPU HSF (like in a system where the CPU is watercooled or vapochilled) the water cooled FETs really brings down the temperature in that area of the motherboard.
The board is provisioned however for various cooling solutions in that area, completely passive, heatsink and fan, heastsink and fan with external ducting and watercooling. It's a very flexible design.
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Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=
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Originally Posted by Grayskull
Fets get HOT! the ones on my OCZ booster at 2.8v get 90c in a standard case, with a fan they are around 40-70c
I love the Fets area. i think thats one of the BEST mobo features ive seen on a new mobo. Goes to show how kick.. ati and sapphire are :toast:
A common misconception is that onboard graphics somehow detracts from overclocking. In our architecture, there is no reason to believe this. The only thing that onboard graphics does is thrash the system memory a little harder. If the system fails with onboard graphics because of this, it only means it's not totally stable. Also, if you are running an external graphics card, the onboard graphics can be totally disabled and it's as if it was never there.
As for the waterblocks, since there has also been some questions regarding them...they are going to be offered as aftermarket components from Danger Den. They will look exactly as shown. I didn't measure the fittings but I believe they were 3/8" fittings. Feel free to ask Danger Den directly.
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Originally Posted by Nanobot
I would like to address some of your comments...
All pricing, availability and motherboard color scheme questions will need to go to Sapphire as it's their board. I can tell you this though, there are a lot more than a couple of these boards in white/red. As far as I know, ALL existing boards look exactly the same.
As for the initial Anandtech review, that was for our initial ATI Radeon Xpress 200 technology launch. It was very obvious at that time and still is today that those were reference boards. This is not.
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Originally Posted by btomasie
There is NOT and will NOT be any battles between ATI and any motherboard vendors. ATI supplies core logic technology to all the motherboard vendors and does not actively participate in selling motherboards.
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Originally Posted by mdzcpa
Right on the money.
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Originally Posted by Dissolved
So in the Hexus article I read tat the design of the mobo is 6 layer pcb. arent most designs 4 layers? Maybe Hexus has it wrong. Btw any estimated date of arrival?
subscribin to thread.
great lookin board!
Most designs are 4-layers, but 6 is not that uncommon. The ECS KV2 Extreme and some of the recent DFI's LANPARTY (for Intel only) have 6-layer PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
6 Layer PCB's are quite a bit more expencive... ala Opteron boards IIRC...
So is the mosfet area exactly the size of the NB? Cos i think a nice zalman chipset cooler would do nicely. I dont want to watercool 4 components on my rig, but dont want fans.... so a decent passive cooler would be ace.
If it is indeed a 6 layer PCB, the chances of it being a real killer board is much higher. I mean does OEM really need a 6 layer PCB board? How much strain does it produce running things at stock. Still wondering when it will come out.
can't wait until this hits the streets... I have to wait for my next upgrade until this one comes out. Ati MoBo and Ati GFX :D weeeeeeee :) If this performs well, this will be my next mobo, FOR SURE! when can i buy it? june/juli? August ? may ?
:D Hm, I agree..........very nice looking board, but how will the ATI chipset clock compared to NF4 ?
Only looking cool is not enough............. ;)
Heard rumours from CBIT that the 3 BIOS chips are caused by a totally new BIOS system - independent circuits for RAM, CPU and GPU maybe.........
And what about the onboard video? Only way to use this or is it possible to add a GPU ?
All in all we need ClockGen ATI soon.................... :toast:
Weren't these the boards OPP, macci and FUGGER used in Vegas? The same boards that didn't clock so well?
*subscribing*
If one decides to use the full watercooling kit; wouldn't the extra heat from the mosfets added to the loop cancel out any potential OC-gain? Or is this system designed for separate cooling loops?
greyskull has already stated what the bios sockets are for. hopefully they will make one of them a second bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
onboard video? greyskull stated that also...
I think it was the ati chipset that was already out (maybe engineering sample) that was compared to an engineering sample of the nvidia board, and they either tied, or werent slightly apart from eachother. :D
Yah...maybe they squeezed some more performance out of it, if we are lucky its always nice to have competition, and this board looks so cool to. Would like to hear some pricing on this sucker tho.
:D I see, THX. All in all they start a good business, I'm thinking of all the sold coolers there, it is a good idea to sell a board and to have the equipment for it in Ya own house............ :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
If it has complete support for the rev E's and dual cores, and the "rumors" about nforce 4 and E rev's having problems is true.. **IF**, it'll be a no-brainer for most.Quote:
Originally Posted by G0DZILLA
I dont think the Nforce 4 will have too many issues with the rev E tho.. I bet most just freaked out early.
Hopefully ATI actually fulfills its promise of a 9600-based onboard video...uptil now its been X300 and it sucks in 01 :(
Speaking of 01...OPP has started a new thread on the future of 01 in the XS 3d section :D
Perkam
I just emailed DD and this is what they replied :
Quote:"sorry we are unable to
give any information about the new ATI board and or water blocks. All
questions need to be handled by ATI them selves"
So it's still a guess work as to where the waterblocks will be available from.My guess;Sapphire as a mobo option.
Who knows Sapphire might make the mobo and wb available similarly to one of thier "Toxic" line of video cards with Arctic Cooling Silencers,the mobo with water blocks would fit nicely in the Toxic line especially with the white and red color scheme.
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Originally Posted by Grayskull
The X300 is the 9600 in PCI-E. The problem with the onboard video is that it's slower than X300SE.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Heres another view of this board.
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews...lld19JRD0xMDUw
Thanks
in another thread he reportedly broke the air WR fsb using this board easily. he also says that it is superior to the DFI board in terms of overclocking ability.
With the Specs It has, I wouldn't doubt It. I intend to get one and set It up this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by zabomb4163
That will only need
an FX-57 2.8GHz cpu,
a Corsair CMX512-3200LL 512Mb Dimm,
a PC-7a vapochill modified Black case,
an Aspire 520w psu,
a Sapphire Grouper motherboard(VGA onboard already),
a Vapochill LS(Black),
a 20Gb 7200rpm hdd(I already have It),
a CoolerMaster Aquagate Water Cooling System (ALC-U01) for NB chip & the Mosfets.
So I wonder what is the AMD Vapochill LightSpeed WR right now?
like 3.4ghz on a modded Ls on a fx53 or 55 isnt it?
i really like this mobo
I would rather ditch the FX and buy a bette PSU. realize how important these things are?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
It has 35 Amps on the +12v rail and powers zoom2 @ 2.34GHz 24/7 and no that is not peak amps which I believe is somewhat higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlackeR
:D Don't know, got no Lightspeed and no WR but take a look at PIC in SIG - done with a stock MACH II GT, of course a suicide shot.... :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
Nice pic, I hope It still works, albeit at a slower speed... :toast: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
And what exactly is that world record? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zabomb4163
OPP
lol..let's see the screen, then. I'm sure jaws will drop.
Looks gud - but myself - I'd rather wait for maybe next one down the line for goodies like NCQ/SATA II on S/B and better embedded audio maybe summert like Cmedia's new DD LIVE Chip, and a few more USB
Specs do look promising but will leave the tesing/breakin in to others as I'm sick ov f@%Kin around with boards ATM just want a board that will perform well and keep permormin well!!
Any ov you guys n gals got a rig that has a week + uptime BTW??
:D Yes still working, but I'm waitin' for my RMA'd DFI NF4 - hope to get a little improvement with that board.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
"Suicide shot" means that immedeately after taking the screenie system crashed....., but who cares, it was "stable for a screenie"......
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well i know how it performs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
And i know a lot of people in Denmark who has lost harddrives due to a 12v line well beyond 13v, it has no sense lines, so you cant even mod it to fit your needs (which may not be a critical point on Sapphire but whatever), the lines put out quite a few amps, but i have seen people gain a lot of mhz going from Aspire to OCZ. Noise is an issue too.
Anyway if you have it already it might be worth it. I just think it is silly to go with a half-decent PSU along with a FX-55.
BTW: is that really only one stick of ram? no dualchannel? Don't get me wrong, the system sounds fun, and i might have misunderstood it, but i really think it sounds like that FX is overkill if you dont upgrade the rest of your system.
That will only needQuote:
Originally Posted by SlackeR
an FX-57 2.8GHz cpu,
a G.Skill 512Mb TCCD PC4400 Dimm,
a Sapphire Grouper motherboard(VGA onboard already),
an OCZ 520w psu,
a PC-7a vapochill modified Black case,
a Vapochill LS(Black),
a CoolerMaster Aquagate Water Cooling System (ALC-U01) for NB chip & the Mosfets,
a 20Gb 7200rpm hdd(I already have It).
How's this?
I'd get the case in a Blue color, But It isn't really neccessary as Black will do.
Oh and this is a New system from the ground up, except for the hdd as It will mostly be used for crunchin numbers for Seti or such. a Dual core FX when It arrives would be really nice, But that is a ways off past the horizon.
Although I'd rather stay with a single Dimm as It is usaully easier to overclock one Dimm than with Two Dimms.
You mean like this FX-55 with an Aspire? http://www.fx-55.com/watercool/ ? Hehehe - actually now I've sold the FX-55 USED for $950.00 and bought an OCZ Powerstream 520W, X850 XT PE, and a AMD 3500+ Winnie. Here's the current rig http://www.fx-55.com/myrig/ . Couldn't resist . . . :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by SlackeR
lol , still no availability or pricing :(
From the Inquirer:Quote:
Originally Posted by G0DZILLA
"The company made this motherboard in cooperation with ATI, and it's supposed to make it ready sometime in April."
slacker is right, that psu is really 300w. i have one and it barely works on a stock tbred/ rad 7000 system, undervolts heapsQuote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
:D Any secret pretest so far ? :toast:
available soemtime in April. Meaning a month after should be the right time to pick up the board, depending on what kind of results/problems early adopters have. So I would guess Mid May (assuming it does come out in April) is the right time to jump on this board.
Good, that means by July (my vacation month), all the bugs should have been found and rung out, so I can buy one with confidence (maybe). :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
HI
I must say the Sapphire version look great with a very lovely colour but my EQS M56K9-MLF is running smooth
ATi xpress 200 chipset(RS480) is the best chipset i seem so far , Vaule for Money.
Just last night I was playing Half Life 2 on it with the onboard graphics still running smooth DX 9.0 support from Hardware.
Anyway EQScomputers.com is avaliable in Europe.
ATX version also out now called M58K9-MLF
Some news from Hexus.net
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews...lld19JRD0xMDQ0
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Question is, What southbridge chip do You have in It and is It overclockable?Quote:
Originally Posted by EQS-Bob
As long as its out before Quake Con, then alright! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by qdemn7
your guess is as good as mine. the highest HT ive seen is 450, but i dont think that was on air.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
is it safe to assume that this board will be out at the same time as the venice core? since i am waiting for venice i guess i can wait to see what the grouper can do paired with venice.
when will this board go out to reviewers? and the specs on the first page of this thread, will they be final?
Is this board actually going to show up in the retail market?
I think Grayskull has said that earlier. And I'd hate to be disappointed really as I'm thinking of buying, Not one, But two of them. Asap when I can.
It would be very dissapointing if this board doesn´t shows up in the retail market.
I know for sure that I am willing to be a "guinea pig" with this board!
I'm quite sure it will show up after Venice. But hopefully close after. Possibly both next month, if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by spytech
Venice? Nah, I'm waiting for San Diego later in this half of 2005, Mainly the FX-57 2.8GHz which should overclock to between 3.5GHz and 4.4GHz I've read, But of course that would be LightSpeed territory quite possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyche911
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...ne/roadmap.gif
2 rads , 2 pumps 2 loops ; pQuote:
Originally Posted by nosferatu
Ok, stupid question time. Last time I heard ATI was NOT gonna make a 939 socket mobo with the ATI chipset. I have not seen anything in this thread or the discription that says this mobo is a 939 socket mobo. Did I miss something??
Yes, this is a different chipset.
ATI is NOT making ANY mobo's.... this is a Sapphire mobo. ATI is ONLY making chipsets for mobo's.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraggy
I believe he was talking about ATI not releasing any more boards for 939 with the rs350 chipset, but i beleive this new motherboard is rs480, or xpress 200?
that last comment was not needed. That's like saying ati does not make graphics cards, or AMD does not make CPU's...in actuality, these companies just design the processors, so your point is rather redundant. :stick:
Well Grayskull made it VERY clear that ATI would not be making any mobo. They are only making the chipsets.
Ummmm, last time I checked ATI did make video cards and AMD does make CPU's so I guess I dont get your point.
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uh, sapphire/powercolor/tul make the boards for ati, AFAIK. TMSC makes the actual GPU. I still fail to see your logic.
Doesnt really matter if ATi makes mobo or not, its gonna have the same chipset anyway. Also, macci, fugger, and opp were ALL overclocking on boards with the ATI chipset so I imagine they shouldnt be too bad :D Though the only thing that'll interest ppl to go RX48x over nf4 is the MVP boards which allow dual ATI vid cards.
Perkam
OK, my bad, I know that ATI just designs the chips/chipsets...actually Sapphire is now making all of ATI's so called in-house cards...all of them, ATI no longer makes cards. I read an on-line article about it a few weeks ago.
But anyways.....my point being that "is there or is there not going to be an ATI chipset mobo for AMD!"
The mobo featured in this thread is a Intel socket...right?
no, amd. radeon xpress 200 will have incarnations in all a64 platforms, including 754, according to the original info given back in november. I think Xbit may have had an article...but here's ati's press release:
please note that this release is for the "m" version, and that should be 754 platform. There are 2 other versions for desktop, one with intergrated video, one without.Quote:
RADEON® XPRESS™ 200M drives a new class of integrated graphics and power management for PCI Express-based AMD mobile platforms
MARKHAM, Ontario--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 17, 2005-- ATI Technologies Inc. (TSX:ATY) (NASDAQ:ATYT), the world leader for notebook PC graphics, today announced the introduction of RADEON® XPRESS™ 200M - the industry's first integrated PCI Express DirectX 9 chipset for AMD (NYSE: AMD) processor-based notebook PCs. Designed to support a range of form factors, RADEON XPRESS 200M delivers industry-leading RADEON graphics and POWERPLAY 5.0 power management for a best-in-class mobile user experience. Flexible in design, RADEON XPRESS 200M supports all currently available Mobile AMD Athlon™ 64 processors and Mobile AMD Sempron™ processors. Due to its power management functionality, RADEON XPRESS 200M is ideally suited for thin and light notebooks powered by forthcoming AMD Turion™ 64 mobile technology.
RADEON XPRESS 200M for AMD will be available from such leading OEMs and ODMs as HP, Sharp, Medion, Acer, Targa, Gateway, NEC, Mitac, Arima, MSI, Compal, Quanta and Wistron.
"ATI is now offering a leading edge PCI Express mobile solution with excellent performance, lightning-fast onboard DirectX 9 graphics and innovative power management," said Marty Seyer, vice president and general manager, Microprocessor Business Unit, Computation Products Group, AMD. "Together with the upcoming AMD Turion 64 mobile technology, we're helping highly mobile PC customers embrace thin and light platforms for powerful system performance, broad connectivity and superior multimedia capabilities."
With the introduction of RADEON XPRESS 200M, ATI delivers onboard RADEON X300 class visual performance and features. This visual performance is complimented by POWERPLAY 5.0, an innovation in power management for PCI Express. Through new capabilities such as Dynamic Lane Count Switching (DLCS), power is adjusted on the fly to reduce GPU power consumption by up to 30 per cent.
"ATI has long been a pioneer in integrated chipset technology on notebooks," said Phil Eisler, Senior Vice President and General Manager, Integrated and Mobile Business Unit, ATI Technologies. "Through working closely with AMD on the development of these chipsets we have a compelling platform to harness the performance of present and future generations of mobile AMD processors."
RADEON XPRESS 200M is currently available from Sharp in their Mebius PCXG-70H and Mebius PCXG-50H media center notebook PCs.
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Finally, check out this article:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=88&type=expert
enough info for ya? :stick:
My next PC upgrade of zoom1 will have these parts(zoom4 will be nearly the same and be air cooled only):
zoom1: XP-M 2600+ cpu (2.59GHz @ 1.95vdc), DFI NFII Ultra Infinity A+(01/21/04 Bios)
JPAC 500w PSU, Kingston 256MB PC3200 Dimm
[Upgrade: Sapphire Grouper Motherboard[Radeon Xpress 200 chipset], OCZ 520w PSU, FX-57, Vapochill LS(FX-57),
CoolerMaster Aquagate Water Cooling System (ALC-U01) for NB Chip & Mosfets],
G.skill PC4400 512Mb Dimm, Lian-Li PC-7a black atx case(Modded for Vapochill LS)
zoom2: A64 3200+ cpu @ 2.34Ghz, MSI K8T Neo2-F(3.3 Bios)
Aspire 520w PSU(35A on the 12v rail), Buffalo Hynix 256MB PC3200 Dimm
zoom3: 2-244 1.8Ghz Opteron cpus @ 4.02GHz, MSI K8T Master2-FAR(1.35b Bios)
Enermax 460w PSU(33A on the 12v rail), Corsair CMX512RE-3200LL 512MB PC3200 Dimm
zoom4: soon FX-57 2.8GHz cpu, Sapphire Grouper Motherboard[Radeon Xpress 200 chipset] motherboard],
G.skill PC4400 512Mb Dimm, XP-120 & 2-120mm 220cfm fans, 1-80-120mm adapter, 20Gb 7200rpm hdd,
OCZ 520w PSU, Lian-Li PC-7a black atx case.
What do Yous gus think of this?
Thank you, I hope they release a ATI - AMR version in a 939 socket. If they do I will be dumping these 2 6800-U. :banana: :banana:
should be here by fall, i hope. putting money aside for that build now!
Awwww man...I need to go change my shorts! :p: All this time I thought it was gonna be a Intel socket + AMR only solution! wOOOOOt! :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Yeah! :D
I don't think intel and AMR or SLi work well together because of the difference in mem control, but that's just my opinion. I also think that's why nvidia released the amd version first..because the amd version is faster. Anyway, there is no officail word on which cpu they will support, but AMD makes the most sense.
The real reason the Nforce4 for AMD came out 1st is cause Intel wouldn't give a license to Nvidia until Intel wanted to just recently as Intel likes to control who makes chipsets for Intels cpus, If that is what You are referring to that is. Me I'll stick with AMD, Intel makes chips that sound like they are quicker on paper, But in reality It's still the MHz myth coming into play still.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
lol..you telling me nvidia could have not delayed the release of SLI in AMD format until the same time as intel format? liscencing played a small roll, but it not all the story, imho. only nvidia knows the truth. They would not waste the money they spent if they could not get a liscence. These deals were formed months ago, not just recently. They just got the pci-e certification for the chipset, AFAIK.
The power of PCIe is immense. AMR SLI whatever. Its possible to take a board with 2 x16 slots, run them as x8 each (16 paths total) but assign x6 to CPU access on each and set up a x4 direct connect between the two boards to "stream" the video signal from board A to board B for incorporation into a net signal to a monitor.
NVidia's "SLI" bridge just removes the added burden from the PCIe lanes, but frankly as has been seen with the x16 x2 experiment on early DFI non-SLI hacked boards, the throughput to even a x2 video card is PLENTY, so x6 will be fine and leave open the AMR or SLI type feature without even bothering with a brdige board.
The ultimate would be 2 dual DVI X850XTPE's AMR'd and 2 30" Apple LCD's (each the equivalent of 2 DVI LCD monitors on one substrate) running a huge 7200x1600 desktop at immense speeds.
80inch lcd, my man 80 inch.
:slobber: Where did You get that information from ??? :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
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Originally Posted by cadaveca
Hi EQS is going to have the Socket 754 on Ati Xpress 200 as well around mid april time
Here is one thread in the EQS forum:
http://www.eqscomputers.com/forum/vi...de6bbf85907bda
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Just saw this thread and had to state how beautiful that board looks. If these boards prove to be more stable than the Lanparty's I think I might become a HUGE ati fanboy.
come on ATI folks, give us come updates. Its been a while.
ATi just make Chips now, Sapphire is going to make this Grouper motherboard as It's their baby and It's a socket 939 as I'm sure Grayskull has or will back Me up on this as 754 is soon to be dead. There are pictures of this motherboard with a cpu and no waterblocks that show this to be a s939 motherboard on Hexus.net(CeBIT 2005 coverage), It's Not an Intel motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraggy
Quote Hexus: Under the Fatality heatsink and fan, we found an AMD K8 939 socket giving Support for Desktop and Mobile CPU’s.Un-Quote
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews...lld19JRD0xMDUw
http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationa...e/grouper7.jpg
The 3.5 and 4.4 was someones speculation I think on ocworkbench.tw, That's why I typed the word between, It may get there with a Vapochill LS and nothing less.Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
if it is intel.., he wont post it on AMD forums :slap:
common sense
:D THX for the pic - now everybody who isn't plagued with blindness can spot the AMD CPU............. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
To get the A64 architechure to 4.4 you will need strain silicon, a beefy array of phase changers a hope and a prayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
Not gonna happen. Maybe by the end of the single core line we will get to 4ghzish unstable.
:D Most of all hope and prayer........., even for 4GHz some day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gokou
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Common sense doesn't happen to often on the internet...I learned a long time ago never to assume....you know what happens when somebody A.S.S.U.M.E.S. don't you.... :D
There is only one problem with the above pic.....its missing an extra PCI-E slot...if it had that it would be perfect!!
BTW, whats up with all of the 1x pci-e slots??? I havent' even seen any hardware that requires one...why do they put rthem on the boards, they are just wasting space.
The above pic looks fine to Me so why would one more pci-e or should I say Express slot make any difference? Most high end 16x cards that I've seen take up 2 slots due to their cooling fans using the 2nd slot as an exhaust port, So It looks fine as It is.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraggy
As to 1x slots, sure there are a whole two, later on someone will want a 1x card and so they are there, After all some are better than none I would think.
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Originally Posted by tictac
LoL nothing is obvious here. :stick: :D
:D lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Hellooooo, Mcfly, are you in there?Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
Does the phrase "ATI-AMR" do anything for ya?? :stick:
Oh, thats right....there is no common sense here.... :p:
Now I know what PC, AGP, PCI-E, PCI-X and what ATi means, But AMR?Quote:
Originally Posted by kraggy
Please pray tell enlighten us oh wise ..... :banana4: :banana4:
I believe it stands for ATi Multi Rendering
jjcom
Correct-a-mundo!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
zoom314...its a good thing you didnt' assume....Heh! :p:
:confused: Always Many Rubbish............ :toast:
Always Many Reproductions............. :banana4:Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
Hopefully I'll be able to find a red, not white, version of this board somewhere. But I'm thinking this beauty may be my s939 upgrade path :P
nice work all you ATI guys, that board looks amazing
:D Try to cook it, gettin' red easily then...... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkangyl
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