so conrad is your bad back gonna disapear for a day? :p:
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so conrad is your bad back gonna disapear for a day? :p:
Aw shoot. Where's my Vicodin? All of a sudden, my back's hurting again. :p:
Inside? Can you show pics? I'm planning on getting a PC-75B, just want to see how it might me done. I plan on mounting mine on the bottom of the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
I'll start up a new thread once I receive everything. Just be on the look out for it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
Will do. I know the inside of the PC-75 is enormous, just can't see exactly how I'd mount the stuff inside. I asked chilly1 if he could get the same brushed aluminum metal for the casing and he said he could do that on his next case run, which is cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
I do have two questions about the units themselves, I've scanned through the thread and only seen them barely touched on.
1. What's the noise level for the phase change stuff?
2. What's the coldest you could possibly get with one of chilly1's systems? I know it depends on what you use for your refrigerant, I just want to get the one I order as cold as it can possibly be :stick:
i think for a single stage -69c is max idle and -50 or -48 loaded. that with r410 probly.
thats stretching it for these small systems. I would say -60 idle -47 load for stuff under 1hp.
-175C. Oops. My bad. Wrong project. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by gkiing
R410 needs special oil to run at those temperatures it will log oil n the evaporator with R410 at -69 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by reject
i think i will order a "bundle" p4p800se+adapter+dothan 1.6....
max overclock expected by 1.6???
1- The fans are rated at 55 Db max..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
2- No idea :). But, I have been doing some more reaserch and have foud that for a single compresor the best solution to get "as cold as it can possibly be" is an autocascade.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
-47c with r290 for me 2hours prime 95 pority 10Quote:
Originally Posted by gkiing
but only -50c idle.
the difference between idle and load wouldnt be that great if its tuned for loads. i think that r410 from rickys cascade says that its not the best refrigerant for these cooling systems.
he got better temps with r404a. so r404a, r507 and r402 would be the way to go.
but realistically we can only run about 10Hg to 15Hg at most so thats what temps idle should be. for me r290 is the limit but 10Hg is possible at heay load once tuned.
just have a look at runmcs cascade and mine both running vacuum at load both stages. these 1hp rotaries are :rehab:
Amazing! Once I get some money, I think I might be headed in this direction.
I know this isn't a FS thread, but any idea what type of longevity to expect on these guys? Offer any type of warranty?
Hey! my first post, and i have already sent ya a PM chilly, they look cool :up:
I just would like to ask one thing,how you dont get liquid return using 1m return line and no U bends?Thank you.
Right size captube and no overcharge
Ya, watch your frost line under load.
Let me be the first too congratulate you on a very nice job!
Nice and clean the way I like it!
Well done!:toast:
P.S.: I'll be fitting my stuff on the top.
I know how you feel. I did the same thing with my watercooling setup and I’ll be doing the same thing with my new phase setup soon (I hope).Quote:
Originally Posted by DGeNeRaT3
What are the dimensions on the whole setup?
P.S.: Maybe you should PM me with those because this thread is starting to get off track. Or you could start a new one.:)
I am interested, Is the microfrostbyte the same as the the others ? I am interested in one of these, just not sure which one. I will be cooling a A64 24/7. Not sure which one would be best for me. I haven't pm'd chilly1 yet, but will. Thanks!!
Looks great, just make sure you get eneough airflow through the condenser, those two grills on the front might be too restrictive.
DGeNeRaT3 if it's not too much trouble. Could you make another thread, I would love to see more photos of your setup and ask you a bunch a questions since I'm looking to build and use a system much like yours. :D
i hear ya geting the suction line to fit takes hours and working on hold downs etcQuote:
Originally Posted by DGeNeRaT3
that is very flush.
Exactly. This should have been done many many posts before now.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDKEN
Mods, please clean this thread up and get it back on topic - CHILLY1 ASSEMBLY LINE.
It seems that someone else feels it's appropriate to post pics and questions with regards to his own project in a thread that shouldn't have anything to do with his project.
Take care
Yea i guess i shouldn't have even botherd to post here was kinda a spur of the moment thing, anyway i made another thread so If you can Mods, remove all posts related to my project sorry for any problems it may have cuased.Quote:
Exactly. This should have been done many many posts before now.
Mods, please clean this thread up and get it back on topic - CHILLY1 ASSEMBLY LINE.
It seems that someone else feels it's appropriate to post pics and questions with regards to his own project in a thread that shouldn't have anything to do with his project.
Take care
chilly is an admin, he can clean up his own thread :lol:
i know, and i've already asked him to do so but he gave me the go ahead to delete my posts. :wave:
Whats the status on the units chilly?
behind just got the right covering for teh hose they sent the wrong stuff
Oh no, glad to see you got it sorted out.
Sort of OT, but I just wanted to say that Chilly just helped me with a cascade project (separate thread to come soon), and he was great, especially for a guy with so many demands on his time.
He shipped the unit packed like it was some priceless Egyptian artifact, bound to its own pallet with steel bands (some carrier called calover.com - the guy delivered it on a hand truck wrapped in plastic on a second plastic pallet). I felt like the curator of some high-end museum (just put it there, next to the Rodin :lol: ).
I highly recommend Chilly for your extreme HVAC needs. :D
Here's a tease:
http://209.35.180.29/misc/419.jpg
http://209.35.180.29/misc/418.jpg
^^ Get that thread started uclajd!!
Looks sweet! Very nice indeed.
any kind of temperture numbers or heat load capacity from testing yet?
Wow, thats a huge flexhose, how long is it?
Is flexi -cool the brand name of your units Chilly1. You are doing a great job. Congrats
Not mine just an adaptation and a repair of a broken unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
Well, it runs about -85C unloaded (X800XT PE at idle). Chilly seems to think, based on manuafacturer specs that it handles about 110W. Preliminary clocks and scores in sig. I have to run more volts through the ATI. I'm working on a thread now.Quote:
Originally Posted by odb
Flex hose is 6 feet. ;) I had chilly leave it at that so I can put the unit wherever I want, like on the opposite side of my monitor. :D
http://209.35.180.29/misc/467c.jpg
I will stop thread-hijacking and start a separate thread for this when I get the pics all formatted. But Chilly did make this happen, so I wanted to give him a plug. :toast:
Lets get back on track. Got all the material and the birthday is over so back at it.
Fully assembled kit.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28012&stc=1
Looks awesome, chilly :) Where's the compressor at?
That's a stealth compressor... you cannot see it without the right optical equipment ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
@uclajd
That is one awesome beast! First time i've seen a 6 foot long suction line lol....and excellent results on the Videocard overclock! Damn thats awesome....
DGeNeRaT3
Chilly1, thats a heck of a starter kit. Is this something people can purchase who are interested in building thier own or is this going to just be something that you are going to be building for your own single phase units for sale? The answer is probably both but i had to ask. this sure would save someone alot of time and look, even comes with a fan.
DGeNeRaT3
Judging from the earlier pics in the thread I'd say he was doing complete systems, but I could be wrong :eek: I hope he is, I'm not quite up to that level yet in extreme cooling, I'd have to do a bit more research before embarking on a project like that on my own, first.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGeNeRaT3
Yeah, IMO the compressor is just missing, but will be added in later. The system has to be filled etc.... and that's to be done thoroughly. In case one's able to do that right, he can build his own system not needing that kit ;)
I'd just like to say that chilly1's block and insulation idea is amazing, I've never had to deal with insulating anything before, and this went on like a breeze, no condensaton whatsoever :D
I'll post some more stuff about microfrostbyte later...
Actually both yur right. Now ewe need some good controllers...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by DGeNeRaT3
Hey Chilly,
Do the evaporators have to be a certain length?
I was thinking for an SLI setup on a DFI mobo, you make the evaps maybe half the size the ones the use at the moment because the space between the two GFX cards is quite small, and instead of putting the cap tube and suction line out of the top of it you could put it out the side.
http://img67.exs.cx/img67/8880/gfxcardevaporator2om.jpg
There's a drawing I did (Not very good I know), but the width between the two GFX cards is about 2 inches.
Actually if you take aone of my evaps and cut the top off then cut 3/8 inch of the spiral off then drill and weld it up it will fit perfect and you would only lose a little capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimi...
Yeah, that's a good point.
That would mean you would only want a max of 1.5" tall block... Insulation.
Too weak insulation could lead to low efficiency of the block iirc.
But the idea is nice. Hope it works out :up:
Awsome work as usual by chilly1 :D
UPDATE ggetting cought up the one with no stickers is going Overseas to a contest winner, and the other one is going out wed. three more to do... and a couple cascades...
these are the finished units makes 5 so far..
http://www.blairwing.com/images/BAckus-sky.jpg
i just can't belive my eyes. These things truely are a think of beauty....eventually i want a -100c autocascade the same size as one of these units with the extremesystems logo that would rock! The main reason for an autocascade is becuase you only need one compressor so you could still make it close to the same size as a prommy couldn't you? if not, a man can dream :)
man those things just look cool as hell. When I get mine I think I am gonna let it sit out on the table just like that for a while so when people walk in they go "Whoa what is that?" lol then after enough people ask I am gonna hook it up and show em lol. :)
I can hardley wait to order mine ;)
Wow those things are beauties Chilly :) Nice work and detail :)
Chilly, can you make the cases a bit longer to fit underneath full cases?
I.e. instead of 19.3" long can they be 23.2"
Yes I will be making some cases for Lian li and longer computers this weekend.
Asetek is going out of business very soon lol :D
Best news I've heard in awhile!Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
Asetek and ECT should be worried....
http://www.blairwing.com/images/slising.jpg Starting # 4
VERY nice. Your workmanship is like no other. Extremely clean head builds...they look terrific!Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
amazing :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
EXQUISTE workmanship!
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Superb! Chilly1 is truly a man with lot's of spare time.
No, I think the opposite :) I think every moment of his day is busy....Quote:
Originally Posted by masterofpuppets
He has a LOT on his plate ;)
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Chilly, those evaps and pipes are frigging slick, man I cannot wait for june :D. Are those both on one unit? Hell if that's true, I want to do some GPU phase change...
Also, the mesh on the insulation, can you get that in more colors? Red or UV red would be totally amazing...
Where do you get that mesh stuff?
Haha finally some Chilly1 dual evaps! Is -40c load on both a safe guess?
Looking a the pic of the dual evap heads I notice one is a 90 degree angle from the hose. So that's the one that goes in between the two video cards in the SLI set-up, while the other goes on the bottom card. In a single video card set-up would the contact patch on the cooler head cover the IHS on the CPU? Hard to get a sense of scale from the pic.
Oh yes ... its all very pretty. :)
Well, I could definitely stand it if one were CPU and the other GPU :D. If it is, I think I'm going to soil myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
I already have soiled myself. I got my chilly1 evap block enclosure this morning. I'll put some pics of it up soon in my thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
Well these are a lot more work than I though at first just can't let tehm go out with out that extra Touch... This one is 220V 50 HZ and yes both heads go to -45C loaded ? Havent tested it yet..
http://www.blairwing.com/images/dualhead1.jpg
http://www.blairwing.com/images/dualhead2.jpg
I have three more to finish two tomorrow and one on wed. Running behind ,,, damn tax time every year!!
Very nice :)
Nice paint too very tropical
WOW !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
AMAZING :toast:
if i buy one of the phase change cascades.....how much will my electric bill go up if i leave it on 24/7?
Cascades are not tuned for 24/7 use. But if your willing to dish out the cash for a cascade I doubt electric bill will be problem.... :D
Here is an example given on another thread:
800w is not accurate, it's just an estimate. This is so you know what formula to use. Replace the 6cents with whatever you are charged per kwhrs in your area.Quote:
800 W * 720 Hrs*1 kW/1000 W = 576 kWHrs
So at 6 cents per kWhr, this comes to;
6*576 = 3456 cents or $34.56
On the other hand, I have read before that cascades are not meant to be run 24/7 because they start to clog (somebody correct me if I'm wrong here).
I think that they can be given 15 to 20 hour runs then turned off for a while.
Yes they will eventually log with oil unless you have a 100% efficient oil separator.
Chilly1 thats one hellofa paintjob!!
That is a dual head single compressor rig at 250 watts power usage it will cost 6 X you cost per KX per day. So 0.18 per Kwh is 1.08 per day to run and 32.40 per month. for 24 /7 but that is full load..
chilly...do you sell really good oil seperators? like ones to use 24/7?
What horse power is the compressor in that, Chilly?Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
Wow only 250 watts. I thought a unit like that would pull around twice as that for the temps it's getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
It's very efficient.
That's really expensive.. 0.18 per kWh? Here its 0.05 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
Please tell me one of them is mine. Please, please, please, please. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
Quote:
Originally Posted by REDKEN
6 Cents per Kilowatt Hour??? Tell me where this is and I'll move there :D !!!!
I'm paying a higher than usual 19 Cents per Kilowatt Hour since I have times of ultra high current draw during peak usage times. Most houses also dont have a special 480 volt feed either :D .
If your worried about you electric bill with these systems, Converting some of your highly used lightbulbs into flouresent bulbs will more than make up for the usage. You got to remember that a regular incandescent light bulb is about 1% efficient. That means that a 100 watt bulb converts one watt into light and 99 watts into heat. You'll save on the actual light bulb power consumption and save on AC cooling costs this summer.
I reduced my $350+ dollar electric bill to just over $300 just by converting most of my lights to flourescent and turning all my toys off when not in use.
Back to the topic though, These single stage systems wont break your bank in electric use. Most people spend more money a week on beer than what a single stage phase change system will suck down in a month. Its also easy to recoup the losses elsewhere in your house.
To answer your questionQuote:
Originally Posted by SPL15
In BC we have mountains + water = cheap power
Look here: http://www.bchydro.com/policies/rates/rates757.html
Actually do you know that a new, built on mesure cascade could run for at least 1200$ to 1500$ single head -90 to -100C? and for dual head add at least 300$....Quote:
Originally Posted by ingentingmendeg
And there is no oil sep really efficient enough to prevent evap clog. I know Chilly1 is working on this matter though, but thats a long term work... And whe you use a cascade it is not to run 24/7, but to benchmark.... Dont tell me that you want to leave a cascade on when you sleep? Especially if you sleep side to it... Plus the bill that will easily go up by 40$ to 50$ if not not much more. And a cascade is very cold so if it runs and the heat source is not high enough on your motherboard you may have condensation even if it is insulated...
do u mean 120 and 130?
Quote:
Originally Posted by invisible hand
Wow.... Canada isn't lookin so bad these days.
If you can't afford 6Cents per Kilowatt, then you can't afford to own a refrigerator let alone a phase change system for a computer :D .
Who else thinks the main address of that website is a little..... well.... Ironic?? :peace:
BCHydro... Canada doesnt sound like a bad place to live :D .
I was thinking a bit...how much do these draw in terms of amps? I plan on going to million man lan this summer, and they have a 4 amp per person limit. Would one of these put it over the top along with a computer and monitor?
I love it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
I thought having to Evaps from one compressor is like spliting the compressor in half... half the performance about -25C to -30C loaded or so.
I wonder if PC ICE can knock one of these together :D
yep, its really cheap here. We sell our extra power to california to help stop their blackouts :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by invisible hand
I think industrial places get 0.04 per kWh here :eek:
A phase change cooler+your LAN computer=3 peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
So reserve 3 spots :stick:
Hey Chilly :)
If you get some time could you post a pic of my unit? Thanks man.
That's $150 :oQuote:
Originally Posted by LostInSpace278
No, even PCICEs cheap cascades are 1350$. PM Chilly1 for a quote, but if think PCICEs prices are high you wont like Chilly1s prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPanda
For a fraction of a second a compressor starting up can draw around 15 amps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanktanium
You don't need a high end computer for gaming, you will be fine with even a Barton, some cheap UTT, and a GF4.
I got three of these that are being tested today about three days behind but they are rollin, Only question now is what Color??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogeta
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28624&stc=1