Oh what the hell, how can they do that? I'm getting a K8N now, f**k DFI.
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Oh what the hell, how can they do that? I'm getting a K8N now, f**k DFI.
How's the new FX-55 going with the extra volts ? Did it hit a brick wall at 3400 or so, or is it overclocking more ?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Regards
Andy
Hel-löy?
1st post on this board, about that ATI thing, check out this thread from the DFI-boards...
It seems that Angry_Games (DFI-street admin) is running his NF4 SLI-DR board with an ATI X850 XT PE with no clearance problems whatsoever...
Before we get more information (Which make and model of an ATI PCIe card doesn´t fit) and more evidence (pictures) I would tend to believe that it will be quite possible to install an PCIe ATI card to either of the PCIe 16x slots. So calm down, I don´t think there is need to panic or overreact.
Ok, I have to say this even though it could mean a little or nothing in the end: His board is not the latest version, i.e. "The Production Version" board that most of you peeps will get from the stores within a couple of weeks. It *doesn´t* differ visually or component wise from the production board, the chipset fan is the same. The only difference should be in it´s BIOS. That said, y'all just relax and while away your time doing something creative. (Like frantically browsing the hardware sites waiting for the first reviews of this board to be published... :D )
Welcome to XS !!!
A lot of us have this board on pre-order and have x800XL's or whatever on order aswell, can you please tell us what cards dont fit and if it will be fixed by the time the shops get these boards?
Dave
Hi!
And thanks for the welcome! :)
Hmmm...
I do not work for DFI (Nor am I in anyway affiliated with them) so I really have no idea about that. I can only rely on information that I find from the net. But I think it would be safe to trust Angry_Games's words about this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiticeira
Linkage:Quote:
Originally Posted by Angry_Games (DFI Forums admin)
DFI Forums thread about the NF4 SLI-DR
I would like to know also? I will do runs today with my new fx55 and this time if its a good chip like before you can use it for awhile since It looks lke ATI isn't shipping those damm pre-ordered 850's still :mad:Quote:
How's the new FX-55 going with the extra volts ? Did it hit a brick wall at 3400 or so, or is it overclocking more ?
Regards
Andy
Time for the old days when we slapped a tec on the chipset ;)Quote:
My lttle blue Asus H/S on it now is frying big time, hot, hot.
OPP
http://img64.exs.cx/img64/1700/nf20pl.jpg
;)
hello,
I also preordered this board (sli-dr), but i´m not shure which graficcard to get.
but i prefer the x800xl.
the board here in germany will be released on 28th or 31th january.
has anybody a picture of the board with an ati card, so we could see that it will fit
:lol: you are refering to someone who work with DFI... :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by manalainen
Off topic post follows (sorry, I just couldn´t resist replying...):
>TicTac:
If I got it right you are poking me for saying I´m not in anyway affiliated with DFI, right?
I frequent and have even registered to that forum but that doesn´t make me *affiliated* with DFI or with Angry_Games for that matter. I´m not a member of DFI and I do not work for Angry_Games.
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From the Dictionary.com:
Affiliated:
1. To adopt or accept as a member, subordinate associate, or branch: The HMO affiliated the clinics last year.
2. To associate (oneself) as a subordinate, subsidiary, employee, or member: affiliated herself with a new law firm.
3. To assign the origin of.
v. intr.
To become closely connected or associated: The two unions voted to affiliate.
n. (--t, -t)
A person, organization, or establishment associated with another as a subordinate, subsidiary, or member: network affiliates.
[Medieval Latin afflire, to adopt : Latin ad-, ad- + Latin flius, son; see dh(i)- in Indo-European Roots.]af·fili·ation n.
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Further replies to this particular piece of off-topicism can be PM´d to me, (That is if anyone should bother...) Thanks! :)
can anyone confirm whether there is 4 holes on the mobo ? particularly below the hsf holder :D..I want to mount my H20 block.....want put my winnie on H20 else had to think of a way to mount my H20 block....
thanks
The 850's are shipping. Mine is on the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
http://www.angrygames.com/pics/nf4/nf4sli_5.jpg
this is the board with an x850xt pe installed. Crappy picture. OPP, you have an MSI x800xt pci-e.. is it the same ati refference design? Same damn pcb etc? this pic from Angry_Games's is really bad. it doesn't show much, but that is indeed a x850 xt pe.
Ummm...pic is scary in a sense for it looks like it would be a challenge to place a second similar graphic card in there...Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Anywho, Ultra is what I ordered and now that 850 fits....so does X800 XL (on order). I'm happy...just got to be patient and wait for the stuff.
Quote:
Originally Posted by manalainen
All tictac is saying is you're trusting angry games who works for DFI...
he never said you are affiliated with DFI.
and what the hell are you doing giving him a definition of affiliated? do you think hes stupid or something?? You have 3 posts; show some respect and respect will be shown to you
/off topic
considering an x850 fits, maybe its an x800 wont fit? OPP where is the fan blocking? The pcb or heatsink on your card?
So do they frickin' fit or not? Does OPP have an old reference board or have the designs changed? I tend to believe OPP when he says they don't.
We need a definitive answer from DFI on this one.
From the pic trans am posted i guess that it does fit.
thats an x850 though....a x800 series might not fit
"before you go crying out 'omg there's a problem already!' realize that I have a board that isn't the final board, and OCZ Tony himself has the latest revision of board with a different BIOS than I have. I am checking into it."
In the above quote, angry says his board isn't the final revision. It's all specualtion at this point but my guess is Opp knows how to install a videocard.
I have ATI X300, ATI X800XT and this MSI XT800 card. None of them fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
I have the SLI board, Maybe the the Ultra version uses a smaller H/S, I doubt it though.
OPP
OPP, the chipset cooler is in the way of the cards? sorry If I missed what the issue Is here.
Reread from the last page:DQuote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
OPP
That's also an SLI board OPP that A_G is using, now at stake is : Is the board he has a pre-release board ( possible ) and final board ( which I think u said u have ) somehow, somewhere components shifted by design ~ darn puzzling this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
choseone214:
Franklly dude how hard is it to go back a couple pages to read the thread, as oppose to asking people to repeat themselves....geezzz seriously !
When I used it on the cascade the other day I found it ran at 1.95/2.4 to get 789/659. I still have to work on the card, I think it will do higher core MHz with more volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
OPP
maybe the card is half the way in the slot ...
Hey Opp, did DFI include a 20 to 24 pin ATX adapter in the box? I want to know if I have to order that seperate from my DFI NF4 DR-SLI purchase.
All I know about this board is it came in the box with all the goodies like a real one. I also know they did some mods on it before they sent it so it can't be mass production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindbat
There are only 2 ways they would have to do things to modify this board, a lower H/F or taller PCI-E x16 slots. Taller slots would throw the card mounting bractet out of alignment though.
Frankly I don't care about the Chipset heatsink, I always change them anyway.
OPP
DFI tech support already stated they will NOT support 20 to 24 (or very close to similar comments), they insist that an ATX 12 PSU be used, and all 24 pins connected.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraggy
Check dfi-street on that one.
Look in this thread:
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...&pagenumber=35
I was useing the 5v jumper for memory last night.
It works good, it ran my VX at 3.65 without problems.
OPP
that's good news
Or move the darn chipset away from that stupid location ! With plenty of experience from 754 boards for example, one would think manufacturer would have learned something there.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
(as for final board, sorry I think Tony said that he had final board, I guess I assumed same for you )
Running hot in that corner of that bridge even with the h/s on the mofset? fan required or suggested when on 5 volts setting?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
I'm not useing a fan over there and every thing seems ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindbat
OPP
As far as the chipset heatsink It may have a problem because I'm useing my cascade on the CPU.
When I tighten down the evap it bows the mobo a tad, this may be bending it enough to make the gpu card touch the chipset.
Someone on a air setup will have to try it.
OPP
Ah well that is also good news then, there was some mixed comments about that even from Oscar it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
I sure hope what OPP said above is correct. Time for me to stop speculating and trust that DFI will have everything worked out for the release.
Opp make yourself one of these.
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/o.jpg
use #6 bolts and since the holes are just big enough in the mobo for #6 make sure you drill accurate. after you do the 9 holes place the mobo in the support and make 2 #6 holes where you would use the hold down then apply 2 3in #6 bolts to the board with the exact same height as the stand offs with the washers and so on so it looks like this
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/s.jpg
add some foam like this
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/r.jpg
install it and get this
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/p.jpg
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/q.jpg
I gaurt you nothings going to warp at all as I uses some massive force now wihtout any issues.. If you get my design right you could add 200lbs force to the chip wihtout a warp anywhere.
I had issues rem and I think this was my cure. :)
:D Let's see some results - did You already bench the board ???Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
:toast:
Ok, I hereby make a public apology for misunderstanding and overreacting to TicTac´s post.
TicTac, I am sorry.
The thing that I hanged on to was the affiliated part, I just wanted to make it clear what it means and obviously it appeared to be a bit too strong or even a childish/nerdy response. I don´t usually try to mitigate things if I have been an ass but all I can say at the moment is this is a trying time for me IRL, it would have propably been best if I hadn´t posted at all...
About trusting a DFI employee who is also a PR person directly in contact with the core usergroup of DFI´s products, the enthusiasts? Considering the seriousness of this possible design flaw, if he says that a particular videocard, in this case an ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (A reference design) fits the board (Physically the same as reference design and a production board) then I have a tendency to believe him, yes...
This is a thing that can be easily proven in seconds if a person has the required components so why would he lie? He would upset a quite a lot of people by doing that and besides, DFI would loose an assload of core usergroups customers for a long time if it really were true. (And looking at the recent information it seems that it is a close fit but the cards mount as they are supposed to...) I also seem to remember calling for further info before beheading DFI, i.e. which card model from which manufacturer etc. didn´t fit? Just trying to alleviate panic, that´s all...
P.s. I don´t equate a post count with anything else than the number of posts a person has made with that particular nick. Ok? It was not my particular intention to piss on anyones shoes, quite the contrary.
If anyone wants to discuss this with me further there is always the PM option... Don´t want to pollute this thread with any more off topic posts... k?
Clearly, the board is bent and thus the video card touches the cooling on the NB. The original cooling that is ;)
Just heard that the boards that are coming in Monday to DFI are going to be bios or otherwise updated before shipping, so may be delayed a couple days.
LOL... I'll bet it's end of Feburary before we can even hunt these down. But, thats the price you pay for new technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Thanks for the update though!
OPP- could you do me a massive favour? :)
Measure the distance between the bottom of the ATI card and the top of the NF4 chipset. Trying to find a waterblock that will fit...... Guess I may wind up machining my own ;)
Thanks!
Geoff
Guys I have an X850 here and it fits with NO mods. Check the pics.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22934&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22935&stc=1
Is this a new fan? Different to the ones I've seen before..
Still quite like to watercool it ;)
So curious to know that distance...
Ya ta boy, thank you Tony!
Sorry for board warping OPP...
That is quite a close fit there bigtoe...
choseone committed murder over his board! Look at all the blood everywhere!!! CALL THE POLICE
LOL....what is that stuff? it looks funny. btw nice motherboard mount. It looks very professional
Here's some 3d at 13x266 with OCZ VX max 2-2-2 timings, 800XT at 520/560 clocks.
Not bad, with some windows tweaks could be better.
CPU is gunna limit the fun though, not a good overclocker even with voltage.
OPP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22936&stc=1
Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: thats close:DQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
OPP
Its close yup but it works ;)
Nice bench there OPP....good to see you on the hunt gain :)
Great score OPPAINTER... quick question about the board...
So far, from what you've seen, does this product warrant the amount of enthusiasm we're all giving it?
I mean, everyone is going nuts over this board and it even has me rather worked up about it.
Thanks! :toast:
Sorry for being offtopic here but whats all the red liquid on the mobo jason? Some kind of insulation?Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
OPP, that 38K is looking good. Good luck with the 'serious' benching ;)
The DFI SLI-DR is looking good... me will have to pre-order one.
Why cant OPP, Big Toe and OPB wait till its out in the shops before they start to tease us with hardware that the 'normal' xtremesystems overclocker cant get yet :D
1.95Vgpu = 789.... holy snike's batman. Guess I wont worry about my 1.485 at the moment, thanks a bunch OPP!
Graf.... I think the enthusiasm is justified. DFI is putting into the bios all the adjustability the OC'ing community would want and that is VERY EXCITING. Nothing makes me happier than a manufacturing actually meeting the needs of thier customers.
Also, we know from his proven track record on Infinity/LPuB that Oskar Wu puts the real effort to perfecting the bios. Showing respect for DFI's customers that no other OEM bothers to bother with.
Ex: ABit "the enthusiast company" that didnt bother putting CPC on/off control into the bios, when 2x 512M sticks really required it to solve alot of problems for customers.
To me its like having the RedSox put out a motherboard that I know is gonna get me a shot at the Worldseries.....so Im happy to spend the $$ with them, and can look forward to sorting out my OC issues NOT debugging thier product before I get to my OC issues.
The real excitement over this board (justified imho) stems from the fact it heralds the next big step in power dropped into the hands of the enthusiast community....where it takes us, we'll just have to see....
Now THAT's exciting :banana:
I see your point and I hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
My last mobo purchase was an Abit IC7-MAX3... following montsh worth of buildup. Well, it's a great motherboard indeed, but nowhere near worth all that was once spouted off about it.
To my eyes, what I see that seperates the DFI from the rest is the BIOS options. Voltage settings out of this world, memory settings to make your head spin, etc. etc.
But, I worry that when everyone who wants one gets one, say in a few months, people might find it doesnt overclock much better then the MSI or ASUS, etc. Thats all.
I'm not going to lie, I'd love to have one in my grubby hands right now, but I worry it might end up being just a little bit of a let down.
Thanks for the info!
I have a 20-24pin converter,and I measured on the 4 extra pins there was=>
12V 3.3V 5V and ground
I you sure the converter doesn't work, because it's has it all???
The colder you get with your phase change, the more careful you have to be with condensation. I'm pretty sure that stuff is to prevent corrosion. I've seen the results that months of condensation can cause (a whole bunch of green, crusty pins falling off the cpu as it is examined!). So this was a wise move, especially with how freaking cold cascades get!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
Excuse me but if the DFI nF4 will use 24pin will it work with my Antec Neopower??? Im getting kind of worried here cuz i dont no :banana::banana::banana::banana: about power connectors. =/
thanks
wow guys thanks for the updates waiting for zzf to get there ultra back in stock :D, then im picking up on of these :D, i know lol that red stuff, from what it sounds is a good idea, but pouring liquid on a 100 electrical product makes me scared :(. thanks again you 3, hopefully more to come.
btw: either of you guys with the boards have pdp 3200 tccd or ocz 3200 rev 2 tccd, i want to know the performence between these 2 so i can make my choice. thanks
I have a neopower and just doublechecked that. It is fully ATX2.0 compliant and has the 24pin connection. You're good!Quote:
Originally Posted by daniel734
maybe DFI should do what Asus did with their new boards, add a small aluminium heatspreader underside of the motherboard to further disspate heat ? IIRC, Asus managed to reduce temps by another 10C like that ? maybe a thin plate that extends to the side of the board via dual heatpipes :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
The Red Paint guys Is Electronic circuit paint. good for +200f to -80c :)
I need it at high clocks ;)
Opp> Looking good. I might have to put something fresh up now. My new chip a week 0442GPMW is a win2000 lover.. Rem the old chip? The one King got "3580mhz" that was a winxp+2003 only chip? This is same, but Its doing win2000 :banana:
Quote:
bigtoe - page one
2x256BH5 3500Platinum.
Now these modules did 240fsb 3.3v on the NF2 UltraB revB which i didn't think to bad....they do a LOT better on the NF4
Everest is a pretty slick bench as it also reports memory latency. Im running cas1.5 here at 264fsb 1:1 for the lowest latency bench i have seen with my dimms. Also the jump from 240 on the NF2 to 264fsb is pretty astounding on this NF4....seems the board loves BH5 in a BIG way.
Did 264 MHz with this nForce4 board only need 3.3V (what you needed for 240 MHz with the old nForce 2 board) to run stably?
BH-5 running at 264 MHz stably with 3.3V of VDIMM is indeed insane, and reason enough for me to purchase one of these new DFI motherboards once they're available! With this kind of result, 270+ should be possible with 3.6V+ of VDIMM.
But the comparison is unfair if all the variables (namely VDIMM) did not remain constant across both test platforms (NF2/NF4 - 240MHz/264MHz).
X850XT PCI-E card fits perfect in both PCI-E slots.
OPP has an alpha or beta board. RG and I have RC boards.
magnetic fan spins down (blows down on chipset)
just woke up...more in a bit
from:http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...5&pagenumber=4
ok then ati x850xt it is for me:)
One question (i know it must be answered somewhere but i cannot find it)
The dfi boards have the A2 or the A3 revision of the nforce4 chip?
Is this the same with the sli AND ultra mobos?
A3 revision on all boards....how else do you think people are hitting like 1300ht
ok thanx (im not too experienced so didnt quite noticed it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobalt
i thought tony mentioned that the dfi board automatically scales ldt down with overclocks to keep htt ~ 1000. people didn't notice it since it was done automatically and assumed they were running htt ~ 1300Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobalt
Hay, didn't you say you wanted to swap me that chip a ways back? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
OPP
Cant wait to see opp push on for the record
Quote:
Originally Posted by jikdoc
That is sort of what he said, but where do you see this scaling down and can someone confirm this?
what about this PSU, will it work?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...101-502&depa=0
Using 20pins PSU is totally okay, even overclocking ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindbat
3.9V or above seems to be unstable, did you try?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
3.8V with 512*2 BH-5 to window is okay, but 3.9V gave me BSOD :D
What I tried before was a sample board.
People always ask this about nForce4 boards... if the specs says it can do 2.0GTs Hyper Transport there's nothing to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by ison
Can you see it is a A3 chips? Taken by mobile phone.... :D
Barely visible but yes, thank you. CPUZ motherboard tab would show it also.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinTin
Well gotta tell ya, the absolute minimum I'd task with a serious system based on this motherboard series is this PSU...
Fortron 500Watt ATX2.0 24pin
Just my $.02
Do you know if the Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI supports 2.0GTs?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebluesgnr
All I can find on thier site is: Processor interface via 2000MT/s HyperTransport bus
Is that the same thing?
Thanks!
SLI version must be A3 chips, they support 1GHz Hypertransport (i.e. 2GHz bi-direction)Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFiZ
The Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 nForce4 4X chipset :rolleyes:
Aha!Quote:
Originally Posted by TinTin
Thanks friend.
You'll have to excuse my ignorance, I'm used to Intel systems.
I just hate Gigabyte selling those 4X chips (A2) instead of REAL NF4 ultra chips ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFiZ
Well guys I have a new bios, about to test but indications show a huge improvement on the memory :D
OPP mail me and i will return mail it to you.
The epox is nforce3 and the dfi is nforce4....that's the difference. Nf3 gives more bandwith.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Big Toe or Opp.
whats under the chipset fan, thermal pad, or paste?
like always, looks like DFI just out did everyone again.
How are the actual voltages compaired to the bios settings?
As everyone says, this board is really tempting for all of us that dont like modding our boards due to the extreme voltage options...
How are the voltages then?
As posted earlier 3.9vdimm results in BSOD. Any other troubles related to the voltages?
Deep vcore drops during load? VTT tracking? Vdimm 3.0->4-0v?
It really seems as we are entering a great chipset era. Ati is gonna spice up the scene!
Now, give us a DFI manufatured board featuring a killer chipset with Dothan support! Wuuuuhaaaaaa!!!
that is good news, then I can use my 20-24pin converter on the DFI NF4 board.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinTin
tintin did you try with a 20-24pin converter?
Not so my friend...a new bios comes to the rescue ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NoStra
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22975&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22976&stc=1
Now Angry Games over at DFI street has some later OCZ TCCD thats doing 310+fsb easy, mine does 303 or so.
I will post settings as i load A64 tweaker etc.
What has changed to give this performace boost and has it changed the max overclock you get with your RAM?
Dave
Here is what settings I was using.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22977&stc=1
A whole new bios, bank interleave is inc now also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiticeira
To see the difference i ran a quick unbuffered. The old is at 310fsb the new is at 303...seems I may be able to squeeze a little more yet ;)
Anyway....here is the old.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22758&stc=1
And now the new.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22979&stc=1
Nice gains here :)
nice to see new bios improvements
when you say newer TCCD that you and Angrygames have, which model ?
Wow...nice imporvement. DFI seems to making all the right adjustments to go along with the best in class feature set they already have. This DFI mobo will definitely be in my future. Thanks for all the great info :toast:
Angry has 4200EL Plat which came later than the build i have here, which means he has much later week codes.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
i see..
btw, whole of Australia ran out of OCZ PC3200 Plat rev2, someone I know rang 30 retailers here and no stock and best ETA is 3 weeks heh.. hurry and ship our Aussie disties some more stock :D
I will forward the info m8...thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
hows the OCZ EB doing with this new BIOS?
and at what voltage do you run them at, tony?
awesome news on the bank interleave. Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Darn some serious gains there Tony, thank you for sharing.
Me think 4200 Platinum is the way I will go, cooler and no need to generate heat with the vdimm bridge at 5 volts.
reseller is going to be pissed 3rd time I change my memory choice, LOL....oh well good outcome of that now he' got the entire line of OCZ modules in stock...hehehehehe