Saaya I've just seem some difference between K8N/K8NS layout from the others...
any PRO an SNXP looks pretty much the same... since K8NPRO
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Saaya I've just seem some difference between K8N/K8NS layout from the others...
any PRO an SNXP looks pretty much the same... since K8NPRO
that link leads me to this very same thread :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
i dont understand what your trying to tell me :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
Woops...
K, here are a bunch.... start about page 13 or something http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=46152
More in this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&goto=lastpost
More: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&goto=lastpost
More (I think, just picked it at random actually due to its title.. would think there would be some in there??): http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&goto=lastpost
I tried to say that all the K8NPRO/K8NSPRO/K8NSNXP/K8NS ULTRA/K8NSNXP-939 has basically the same mods . The Layout is a bit different in K8N / K8NSQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Does anyone know why exactly I can run 290 HTT with clockgen but can't boot with >240? I'm using EB right now and it won't run over DDR400 so I'm using a 2/3 divider on the memory. I ordered some G.Skill PC4400 GLBC so hopefully I'll be able to run closer to 1:1.
I have the K8NSNXP-939 but since multipliers 9 and 10 for the bios are broken I'm using the F5 Bios from the ultra. Everything seems to work fine. My 3500+ Newcastle hits about 2.6 on water.
Hi, you said the F5 BIOS from the K8NS Ultra-939 works fine, but you have a booting issue at 240fsb? Maybe the BIOS is the problem. Did your board do this before the BIOS flash?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moony349
One of the issues that the F5 BIOS fixed was the cold boot at 240fsb or higher. It is possible that this fix is not compatible with the K8NSXP version.
Please let me know. :)
My Giga K8ns ultra s939 :
Vmod VDDR -> +3.3v = 3.85v
Bios F6 -> boot ram 260mhz 1:1 2/2/2/5/7/11/2/2/1/1
2*256 A-data BH5 WE0313
http://www.membres.lycos.fr/boblemag...dra2700mhz.png
270mhz 1:1 (2/2/2/2) -> A64 tweaker
http://www.membres.lycos.fr/boblemag...superpi36s.png
277mhz 1:1 (2/2/1/0) -> A64 tweaker
Where did you get the F6 bios??Quote:
Originally Posted by boblemagnifique
Yes Andy, I had the same problem before flashing to the F5 bios. I'd love to get a copy of that F6 bios also.
did you try setting htt in bios to 201, hit f10, then go back into bios and raise to desired htt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moony349
ht link should be 3x. turn agp fastwrites off.
Where we can download this F6 BIOS ?Quote:
Originally Posted by boblemagnifique
F5 Bios you can download it here
Bios F6 -> K8NSNXP-939 , it functions very well on my K8NS Ultra
hohohoho.. i think boblemagnifique using F6 BIOS for K8NSNXP-939 for his K8NS Ultra-939 :D :D
It's wierd because the F6 bios for my K8NSNXP-939 makes multipliers 9 and 10 default to 5... Do they work on your board?
damn dude, link me to a post! i checked 4 pages of the first thread and nobody was talking about a 754 setup at all, page 13 14 15 16 was full about complaints about the high vx prices in europe, thats all :PQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Page 4: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...698#post605698 (me referring to my previously tested CH-5, doesnt really count I guess)
Page 7: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...061#post609061
Page 8: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...370#post609370 (Post by me, lots of info)
Page 8: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...424#post609424 (me again, CH-5 instead of VX though)
Page 8: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...509#post609509 (9.5 multi though)
Page 10: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...143#post610143 (referring to this post: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...095#post610095)
Page 12: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...657#post611657 (post previous shows max @ 2T)
Page 16: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...797#post614797
Page 22: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...888#post616888
Page 23: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...223#post617223
Page 24: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...435#post617435
Page 26: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...070#post618070
-- Can see 2T is disabled here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...089#post618089
Page 27: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...545#post618545
Page 29: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...838#post618838
Page 31: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...455#post619455 (look at bandwidth, cant do that at 2T)
Page 32: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...875#post619875 (bandwidth again, single channel this time)
Page 32: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...350#post620350 (referring to a post back a page I didnt link to since I couldnt see 1T mentioned iirc..)
Page 35: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...719#post623719
Some more, linked to on page 7 (here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...839#post608839) and posted in the thread later too
http://www.truextreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35033
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11944
434~mode=flat?r=329
Theres the Voltage Extreme thread.. I left out a couple and probably missed a few too, want me to continue?
There is talk of 754 and 939 setups throughout the entire thread. Those pushing 3500 to 4100mb/s bandwidth are running 754, those at 7500+ are 939.
Its pretty easy to tell 1T from 2T using sandra too, since 2T kills efficiency and numbers.. a low cpu multi brings down the bandwidth some too, but its not nearly as drastic as 2T.
250 is nice, but you said 280!Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
thats both single stick results from what i can seeQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
again 250 is nice, but you said 280 beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
270 memory speed but is it 1t? 3200mb/s write speed... doesnt sound like 1t to meQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
280, but is it 1t?Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
"1T max is 240-245mhz with 2x512mb"Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
thats a single stickQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
260mhz... even if its 1t, its not even close to the 280 you were talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
again 260mhz, nice, but even if its 1t wich i cant see, then its far from 280mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
that on a 939 board...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
245mhz memory speed...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
hes also talkin about 939 results...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
255...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
thats on a 939 system again...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
250...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
thats on a 939 system again.......Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
239mhz... again, you said many people would reach 280mhz with 2 512mb sticks and 1t on a 754 system... where?Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
thats on a 939 system... and some other shots that you linked me to.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
on an 875 system.... and the second link is taking me to some review feedback? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
ok, so now lets resume the results from all the links, results of 2 512mb sticks on a 754 system:
250, 1t
270, 1t?
280, 1t?
245, 1t
260, 1t?
260, 1t?
245, 1t
255, 1t
250, 1t
239, 1t
so even IF all shots are indeed with 1t (wich i doubt), then we have an average speed of 255mhz...
where? you posted a link to one guy at 280 and one at 270mhz...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
believe me, ocing 2 512mb sticks on a 754 setup with 1t is a pita!
939 is a totally different thing as you have 2 memory controllers on a 939 cpu !!!!
overclocking 2 512mb sticks with 1t on a 754 setup is like overclocking 4 512mb sticks or 2 1024mb sticks with 1t on a 939 setup.
Those are all low latency BH/CH/VX sticks, the 265-280 was in referrence to TCCD modules.
I never said 2x512 on 754 wasnt a pita, but you said "i dont think even 2 ds 512mb sticks will run with 1t on a 754 board..." http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...368#post622368 which is what I was trying to point out as false...
939's are still having just as much trouble as 754's running 1t/2t and high (250+ tight/loose timings) although they do average a few mhz higher for sure.
then show me high oced 2x512mb 1t shots with tccd :P i never referred to any memory type :)Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
to wich i replied:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
to wich you replied:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
wich is not true! 265-280mhz with 1t is by far not the average oc of a 754 system with 2 512mb sticks!Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
no, there are several shots of around 300mhz with 2 512mb sticks and 1t on 939 systems! i havent seen a single 754 setup reach 300mhz with 2 512mb sticks and 1t, the best ive seen was 280mhz by dagalidis and it took him weeks to tweak it there and he said himself he had a lucky chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
The K8NS Ultra939 is crap for OCing. Atleast the one i have.
This is with 1.55v set i BIOS. (F2) It really sucks.
http://privat.bluezone.no/forman/div/vcore.JPG
Last night i looked at the log, and with Auto (1.5v) in BIOS i had 1.44v low and 1.81 high. 0.37v fluctuations.. :mad:
If i try 1.7v i get the same, except the avrage is higher.
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wich is not true! 265-280mhz with 1t is by far not the average oc of a 754 system with 2 512mb sticks!
Thats why I said the top was 265-280. This implies the average is below the top... but you have to also put into perspective that those who make up the average arent always like opp or dagealidis so their chips may actually be capable of more due to a system bottleneck of some type that they have not identified or tested thoroughly enough.Quote:
i havent seen a single 754 setup reach 300mhz with 2 512mb sticks and 1t, the best ive seen was 280mhz by dagalidis and it took him weeks to tweak it there and he said himself he had a lucky chip.
Personally the C0 754 chips had problems at 1T for sure, though some did great at 1T. Clawhammers are just weird and will do 1T well most of the time as well as being capable of 400+ HTT easily... Winchesters seem to be all over the map.
As i've said and will say again: Its CPU dependant. There are of course other system factors like PSU quality or motherboard voltage regulation quality etc, but largely its the CPU which will determine your memory performance.
damn that sux... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Formann
try an rma? say its unstable at stock and the vcore fluctuates a lot, if they dont replace it then do a droop mod and connect all the 12v rail pins of the 12 mosfets and all the vcore output pins of the mosfets... (ask hell-fire or holst first, im not 100% sure this will work)
i never said it wasnt cpu dependant...Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
but 754 systems are in no way ocing nicely with 2 512mb sticks with 1t! 250mhz seems to be the average, while almost all 939 systems seem to be able to reach 300mhz+ with memory in 1:1 and 1t with 2 512mb sticks.
and yeah, its a different if we have a normal user or an expert, but there are experts on both platforms, and the best on 754 with 2 512mb sticks in 1t is 280, and the best ive seen on 939 was 340mhz 3-4-4 and 300mhz 2-2-2.
plus most people seem to reach 300fsb on 939 systems while people average around 250mhz on 754 systems with the same memory.
im sure that if you run both 512mb sticks with 1t on the same memory channel on a 939 system you will reach the same 250mhz average as 754 users reach, its the limit of the memory controller, but since the 939 cpus have both controllers active they ca split the load to two channels wich lets them reach higher speeds.
I know speedfan reports like a drunk sometimes. Like my +5v and 3.3v its all over the place. According to Speedfan my 5v is 2.4v load :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
BUT, the K8NSNXP and K8NS Ultra is known to have a crappy vcore circut, and I get the same readings from other programs and BIOS.
I gave the F5 a try, but all i got was a corrupted win2k install. Then when i tried a reinstall, I god BSOD every time. hmm... maybe I forgot to resett bios after having flashed it. Used @bios to do it.
Im gonna try the F5 one more time when i get home from work.
Just orderd a MSI tho.. it seems like a better mobo.
Wasnt F5 that I tried. It was F3. Got it stable enough to run a 3dm01 Drago test, and @ 208*11 i got 508 FPS in D-Low and 260ish D-High.
Then I tried the F5 and got 465/242 FPS .. same as K8NS Ultra939 F2.
Now thats over 600pts in drago alone !!! Wonder what it does to games. Cant be good, thats for sure.
Crappy vcore and crappy performance.. this sorry mobo should be put to sleep.
saaya - someone should try it ;)
wish i had a 939 setup with a gig tccd :DQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
gonna ask the ocz guys and jnav if they can test it :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
Im not having any problems with the mem comtroller. I can do 275+ 2-2-2-x with BH5 all day long. Ive had it up to 280 2-2-2-x, but i dont like running 3.9vdimm. The problem is unstable vcore and bad performance in some 3d-apps. (like 3dm01 drago)
The only bios that performs is not stable. At least not with BallistiX. Diddn´t try the F3 with BH5.
If your vcore is stable, you´re lucky :)
Quote from ultimate S939 mainboard guide
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bad vcore, unstable and fluctuates between 1.70v and 1.95v under load
Bios F7 roxxxxxx :slobber:
http://www.membres.lycos.fr/boblemag...nie@365fsb.PNG
which mobo is it? never heard of F7 bios for K8NS Ultra-939
My Gigabyte K8NS ultra -> Bios K7 k8nsnxp-939 Compatible with K8NS ultra ;)
Has anyone tried Ocz EB sticks with this board? I will recieve testboard with Kyosen Vdimm-mod on saturday or sunday and give it a try.
K8NS 939 and K8NSNXP are the same motherboard, only DPS change :D
Are you sure that we can flash de F7 bios in the ultra board without any annoyings?
read this ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by boblemagnifique
I´ve tried the F7 bios, but no good, equal FSB but not working at cl2.5 only cl3 with my memory, less stability.
Back to the F4 normal bios.