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saci you need more vdimm
i know.. but my board doesn't have enough and i'll go for tccd instead of a second bh5+booster
twinmos will soon release a TCCD module called twister PRO
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhetsbil...r_pro_stor.jpg
by any chance are the rams i getting, Corsair 3200XL Pro v1.1 , TCCD?
FWIW OCZ PC3700 512MB EL Dual Channel Platinum have Brain Power PCB rev B6U808.
They are also supposed to have Binned TCCD's
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by aLpHaEv7
i heard TWINMOS TWISTER PRO using TCCD too.
Got my PQI Turbo today. The best I seem to get so far is 285 MHz with 2.7 volts (2 x 256 MB) on DFI LanpartyUT NF3 250GB.
in case yall didnt know:
"Hi Micah,
The TCCD chips are the latest die revision but we do not use the brainpower pcb yet. It's difficult to put an exact date on when we will be using that pcb, but the development process is being finalized.
Best regards,
Brian F
Mushkin Inc.
------------------- Original Message -------------------
Sent: 11/03/2004
Subject: Mushkin Level2 Version2
Hi, I'm in the market for some new ram and was curious; what revision of the Samsung TCCD chips does your Level2 Version2 use? Also, do yall use Brainpower PCB?
Thanks for your help!"
weird why transam got so bad results from them.
which memory should i use?
2x512mb corsair xl TCCD
2x512mb ocz pc3700 gold rev 3.0 (hynix i think)
or
2x512mb geil TCCD
rams will be used with ic7 max3 vmodded
What PCB was used in the Mushkin that Colin had in his review?Quote:
Originally Posted by ocmyface
well, considering they said that they were finishing production on them, i really think they mailed him one of their hand-picked prototypes with the brainpower and good TCCD
I got my PQI Turbo in (2 x 512) from newegg. I took the heatspreaders off and this is what lies beneath.
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/PQI TCCD.JPG
It is also definitely a Brainpower PCB. So far I've gotten them to do 260 at 2.5-3-3-10 on my neo2.
Kanati
A friend of me has these OCZ PC3700 512MB EL Dual Channel Platinum with brainpower pcb,but watt do the mean by this"They are also supposed to have Binned TCCD's " can somebody explain this please.
It means that a "better" TCCD that can achieve higher speed is used for the 3700EL PT compare to let say, the 3200EL Rev2.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocKer
Hot to take off heat spreaders clips ? i got Nexus Copper King and its damn hard to move them i tried eaven with scalpel ( its broken now ). Any good tool or way ?.
Btw anyone know A-Data Vitesta 566 pcb type ? JDEC ? BrainPower ?
i saw there is geil PC3200 Ultra-X tccd comfimed in your list.
i shoped around at www.overclockers.co.uk and found this
GeIL 512MB (2x256MB) PC3200 Ultra-X CAS2 (GLX5123200DC) (MY-043-GL)
that has the tccd right? if not or there is better for around £105 please pm me.
I know people are saying look for the date of manufacture to tell if you have new die revision of TCCD, but CPU-Z doesn't show the date of my PQI Turbo. Has anyone decrypted the string of characters at the bottom of the IC to be able to tell if it is the new stuff or not?
Kanati
hi peoples, I've been scouring vendors/fairs for OEM TCCD but all I'm finding is TCCC. Any reports of OEM TCCD yet?
:sofa:
Sweet PQI Turbo TCCD at 300 MHZ ) 2.5-3-3 with only 2.7 volts on DFI LanpartyUT NF3 250 :banana:
A-Data Vitesta DDR566 & DDR600 pcb use JEDEC reference design!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sobol
That sucks but the are cheap. But all that aint important for me anymore i managed stable 240 2-2-2-6 1T ( previous i wasnt eable to do 200 mhz with 1T ) i stay wit mine CH-5.
add one to the list
Corsair TwinX1024-4400C25PT XMS: Samsung 440 K4H560838F-TCCD
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...&item=85&num=2
OWNAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
275 @ CAS 2.5 W00T :toast:
Some can give me picture of the TCCD chip ?
tnx
Check the link two posts above...
tnx manQuote:
Check the link two posts above...
Newegg is suppose to have 1 gig (2x512) tomorrow. These are confirmed TCCD revision F and BrainPower PCB (815).
They appeared on the website today, after being out of stock for a couple of weeks, for $221 a pair ($9 cheaper)-get them while they last. This is the best price for TCCD revision F/BP PCB you will find.
I'm ordering mine tomorrow as soon as they are in stock.
PDP XL 2*256 = 108$ omg what a bargain !!!!
but PDP is almost same thing as KHX/Mushkin i think...doesnt overclock very well.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...patriot_7.html
400MHz – PC3200 2.0-2-2-5
436MHz – PC3500 2.0-3-3-6
466MHz – PC3700 2.0-3-3-6
500MHz – PC4000 2.5-3-3-7
533MHz – PC4200 3.0-4-4-8
not so impressive if you ask me...
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=233
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all this ram is mine!!! :banana: :D
http://www.gurureview.co.uk/content/view/348/
thats not bad. DDR533 1:1 with a 1066mhz FSB processor. Still that ain't bad.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
If you look at the review the timings you listed were the specifications. He actually got up to 285 FSB. For only $221 that's good enough for me.
The question is: Did PDI sent the reviewer a bunch of special sticks to review and then when we get it retail, our mem will suck?Quote:
Originally Posted by JDizzle
That's something we will never know. Manufacturers always say they don't send special ram to the reviewers but sometimes it appears to be the obvious answer. At only $221 this ram has Brainpower PCB and Samsung TCCD chips, the two components that make for great overclocking ram. Seems like it's worth a try to me, every stick of ram is going to oc differently so we'll just see how mine turn out.
yeah maybe really worth a try for 221+5 shipping
well i have some of this pdp stuff. 3 sticks of 512mb actually.
with 1x512mb @ 290 2.5-3-3
with 2x512mb in dual channel @ 265 2.5-3-3
that's the best i can get out of this memory.
will it be too difficult to up-date the list on page1 with links and prices of the confirmed TCCD´s?
Ooohh those are nice :D . Where are those for sale? Does that new pcb affect clockage at all? or it that still to be decided?Quote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
And the name of the manufacturer?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...146-890&depa=1
reports new bacth available at newegg..OCZ :)
Seems like Centon have been sending these modules out to a few people (not me btw)...Quote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
Very interesting! Just a quick summary of what I have learned from this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
1. TCCD revision F with code dates of 431 and later (still unconfirmed) are able to take more voltage and achieve higher FSB. As seen with Colin's review of Mushkin with non-BrainPower PCB. http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1668&page=2
2. Brain Power PCB seems to achieve higher overclocks at relaxed timings with TCCD chips. http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=53
3. There has been discussion of 2 Brain Power PCB modules B6U808
and B6U815. B6U808 seems to be better as reported here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...768#post561768
PDP and PQI are using B6U815.
4. Not all motherboards like the TCCD chipsets, differnet PCBs or both. The Asus P4C800 seems to have been the Intel based standard for testing this memory and has yielded very good results.
This new PCB (it looks new to me) that your are testing, looks very interesting. I noticed one module is showing a eprom and the others are not.
It at all possible, if you could use an Asus P4c800 in your Intel testing-it would really help in an "apples to apples" comparison with other memory tested thus far using traditional cooling.
It appears that you are also into some extreme cooling which we are all interested to see how much these chips and PCB's can take.
Good luck, and thanks for being willing to devote the time to share your results.
thanks for the details of what to look for still not sure what pcb mine areQuote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/cen...2_03_thumb.jpg http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/cen...2_02_thumb.jpg http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/cen...2_04_thumb.jpg http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/cen...2_06_thumb.jpg
2x 512MB Centon Advance PC3200LL - each stick sent 7 days apart
1st stick memtested on DFI NF3 250Gb to 295mhz 2.5-3-3-8 but only booted into win2k sp4 at 280mhz 2.5-3-3-8 and at 295mhz 2.5-4-3-8. Memtest had 2 errors at 300mhz 2.5-3-3-8. Only 205-208mhz 2-2-2-5/6 though heh
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/60...1/mem-buff.jpg
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/60...mem-unbuff.jpg
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/60...1/cpuz_cbi.jpg
Alex, I thought you said in a previous post that the PDP was the best you had tried?
Nice, eva. How about dual channel?
Thanks for lying to me Newegg... I knew those bastards were going to restock the PDP. Know nothing customer service rep... Definitely would have bought that instead.
Well I ended up buying the PQI. Don't have a working board to test, but from past buyers and what I can see w/o taking off the spreaders, it has all the marks of a winner. TCCD Rev.F & BP PCB Rev.808.
How did you make out that its revision F?Quote:
Originally Posted by WiCKeD
Eva where u pick them up from???
can i grab a pair of 512's off you for 300???
got mine thanks to Fugger/Mark at Centon :)
They're okay but still got alot of messing around to see where their max stable is.... haven't tried dual sticks yet (not dual channel since DFI NF3 250Gb is single channel board) but i suspect they're lower max ocs as always
Only have one pair and don't plan to sell them.
not stable but nice to look at
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/60...2/mem-buff.jpg
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/60...2/cpuz_mem.jpg
The "F" just comes before the "TCCD" on the actual chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlccarv
Ay EVA2000... those memory modules are on the old reference design (similar to those found on Corsair. The new board is the 546G board (a cleaner looking board) that probably gets better results.
Thanks :up: Just like most memory labeling, i guess...Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilverXP
2 sticks... that's what I meant ;) Alex's overclock on page 9 showed a big difference, that's why I was wondering.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Ya, check Kanati's pic of his PQI on page 9, you can see what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilverXP
eva, how much did you pay for those?
Wicked, unless I missed something, this is the first I heard that PQI is using the The Brain Power 808. The legit review showed the 808-but I don't recall them saying it was PQI or OCZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by WiCKeD
That's a good confirmation for 808.
How do you identify which BP pcb it is, I have PQI turbo with heatspreaders off and I'd like to know how to identify the PCB.
Kanati-Look at the pictures at the bottom of page 4 of this thread. They should be clearly numbered. If not numbered, the 808's appear to have much broader (ie more solder) traces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanati
Whether 808's perform better is speculative/subjective.
This may all be moot depending on how these new Centon pcb's (courtesy of PC ICE) perform.
Hey guys this is Nathan Kirsch over at Legit Reviews and I wrote the memory PCB article a few weeks back (Article Link). Some of you have been e-mailing me asking what modules use what PCB's, so let me give you some models and numbers...
PQI Turbo Memory 3200 (PQI3200-512SBU) --> Brainpower 808
PQI Turbo Memory 3200 (PQI3200-1024DPU) --> Brainpower 815
PQI Turbo Memory 4000 (PQI4000-1024DBL) --> Brainpower 815
OCZ Platinum Rev 2 3200 (OCZ4001024ELDCPER2-K) --> BrainPower 808
Corsair XMS XL 4400C2.5 (CMX512-4400C25PT) --> Brainpower 815
Corsair XMS XL 3200 (CMX512-3200) --> Brainpower 815
Below is a picture of the two most common Brainpower PCB's side by side. As you can tell the differences can be seen even if the heat spreader was left on.
http://forums.legitreviews.com/images/random/pcbs.jpg
On a side note I talked with the owner of OCZ (ryan) yesterday and he said that OCZ is also using BrainPower 808a PCB's and they are regular height, so keep an eye out for those coming in the market. As noted in this thread BP PCB's are a bit shorter, but not on the new 808a PCB's. I also talked with Corsair Memory and they confirmed that they are going to start making all their XL modules on BrainPower 815 PCB's, so expect Corsair XMS XL PC-3200 modules to have BP 815's in the next few weeks just like the Corsair XMS 4400C25's have them now.
Thanks for your e-mails and feel free to contact me if you guys ever need any memory help!
Nate
thanks for valuable info Nate :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apoptosis
Thank you for responding Nathan.
Forum member, PC Ice, is in the process of testing some Centon TCCD modules that look new. Pictures are posted a page or 2 back in this thread. I am wondering if these may be the 808a pcb?
You have also clarified some of the PQI mystery on the differences between SBU (I assume DBU would be 808 as well) and DPU. Very helpful-thanks again.
Furthermore, given Nathan's tests were in dual channel, and PQI's SBU suffix represents a single stick, one might tentatively conclude that Nathan used the PQI DPU which is 815 PCB. And given that the OCZ was an 808 PCB, we may have empirical evidence that the 808 performs better at tighter timings and the 815 offers more bandwidth at looser timings.
If this is correct, the PQI SBU/DBU sticks are looking very good for the price if you want tight timing performance.
MM
You are on the right track with your thoughts! I agree that from the BrainPower modules that I have (about 14 modules) that the 808 performs better at tighter timings and the 815 will offer higher bandwidth at looser timings.
After looking at those pictures, I'm almost certain my gig kit of PQI Turbo is based on the 815 PCB, which would make sense b/c they don't really care for tighter timings at high fsb.
got my twinmos tccd...
any idea why 275 @ 2x512 mb @ 2,7v @ 2,5-3-3-10 is memtest stable, but win doesn't boot?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Confused
Nahh.. those Centon boards are made by Centon themselves. THey are still in testing phase and are now being sold but only under Low Latency at 5-2-2-2.. not guaranteed to overclock but guaranteed to run at LL... although they have some results simlar to all other TCCD modules on the market... and these results have been very good.. PC Ice managed to have good results with them as well. Now they have some 437 TCCDs as well as some 431s that they'll be doing more testing on to see where these chips stand. Brainpower PCBs are also being tested to see if they fare better against the Centon made 546G board.
TWINMOS TWISTER PRO ?Quote:
Originally Posted by saci
link ?
can you post some pics
Good info. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilverXP
That leaves for the mystery of the anticipated BrainPower 808a PCB combined with the mystery of TCCD revision f date codes and batch codes.
Is anyone aware of a confirmation yet that all TCCD 431 and later date codes will take higher volts? Is there any more insight to the batch codes?
Brain Powered PCBs not necessary better though.
I have just bought a pair of Cosair XMS3200 TwinX. Model is XMS3208v1.1, they are also using the same 0431 "F" TCCDs but the PCB is not brainpowered design. It also hit 300MHz 2.5-4-3-10 1T @ 2.85V on my MSI K8N Neo2. I also had a pair of PDP3200 using the same chips and Brainpowered 815 PCB. It also hit the same speed. The Corsair is a little interesting in that its actualy a double sided RAM (similar to their Value Winbond BH-5 sold couple of years back). Performance wise, both are literally identical.
Btw, the 815 PCB looks very similar to the Corsair Valueselect. Almost though both are the same.
I am not sure abt that though. I tried modding my K8N Neo2 to 3.3V but both my Corsair and PDP don't seems to work very well and both are the same 0431 'F' chips. Maybe its due to my board thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Confused
I just saw the pictures of the Centon Advance and I believe both are my Corsair and the Centon are using the same PCB. Even the resistor layout below the RAM chips are the same. Just that the Corsair has a little more (the Centon has couple of empty solder bumps). Eg. For RN7 and R4 (1st pic from the left), the Centon one is empty bumps but Corsair has 220 (2.2 ohms?) resistors on them.
They're XL's right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ISS
I have the PQI DPU set and both are 808PCB. This is a newer set I got them about two weeks ago from Newegg. This is a response to someone saying that PQI's DPU is the 815PCB.
www.cheeep.de / no camQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
I can get this pqi past 310 on my epox BUT NO 1T OVER 200 or so 2t no limit. DAMN EPOS :stick:
240oz are you using the Blacks or Platinum PQI models?
Ack acronyms... took me awhile to figure out what you were talking about, even though I own it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Confused
So what you are saying it that, when I asked PQI if there was a difference, other than price, between their Black/Platinum models and he told me "no," that yet another know-nothing CS rep lied to me?? Very informative.
Wicked platinum of course at 870+ an ounce why would you choose black?? Just kidding te egg had em for the same price when I ordered.I ordered platinum . And it's 240Z as in "OLD JAPANESE CAR" :banana4: with 365 at wheels :D
Cool, and my bad ;) Are yours using the 815 pcb?
so 808 is better ?
PQI Turbo Memory 4000 (PQI4000-1024DBL) --> Brainpower 815
TCCD ?
just some bench without any tune and cpu's stock cooling.
A-data Vitesta DDR600 2.85V
I believe it can go futher with some more aggresive timings with a Vdimm mod or ddr booster :toast:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...335_fsb275.jpg
uhm those DDR600 sticks run 300Mhz by default voltage. :p
Hello everyone. I think I might have caused some confussion. Here is a link to the ram I bought from Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...141-148&depa=1
This is the DPU I think or did I missunderstand? If I did missunderstand then please explain to me the difference. What ever it is the pcb is 808.
wildabeast, "DPU" is Platinum - it looks like you understood just fine. It just goes against what Apoptosis was saying on the last page. But I am sure it's entirely possible PQI switched which PCBs they were using. That would probably mean they also switched their PC4000 line as well.
Ordering my Patriot 2x512 over the weekend! I post results on a Kt600 as far as highest Low latency FSB. Will report higher latency OC results with ABIT mobo and 3200+ winnie next week or so.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=19421
Just testing :D
This has nothing to do with the fact that I can't get TCCD here :D
well i just got back home to pick up my pdp xbl 2x512mb that i paid $221 for.
after an hr of testng. the best i can get out of these are 283 in dual channel, which is quite impressive than my last pack which only scaled as high as 265. I use to think it was my memory controller holding me back, but i guess not. I didn't mix and match the memory sticks. I just took the ones from newegg and just popped them in and went away testing.
on all my pdp sticks that i've encountered, which is 5x512mb...they're all brainpower 815's.
wow 283 in DUAL! Cant wait for mine to get here! Alex Have you tried highest LL settings?
I can add that the OCZ 3700 EL Platinum uses Brainpower 808 pcb's and they love voltage :D
Both sticks are prime stable at 300+ and 3.22 vdimm. I was able to do a banzai of th worst one at 307 as you see in the screeny. The other screeny is 2X512 priming just fine on the DFI UT. Fantastic memory i must say.
the sad thing is i can't run 2-2-2-5 @ 200. freezes in windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jethro
Am I right, that the Twinmos Twister Pro has TCCD chips? u guys think they're compatible with my asus a8v deluxe rev 2.0 and winni 3000+?
or should i better keep my 512 corsair xms pc3200 with rev 4.3 and 1.2
Ill have to see what mine do @ 2 2 2 5 with kt600 i hope it even works in the board!. I wont be getting my 939 system for a week or so. I am excited to see whats left in this KV7 before i get rid of it! She's been a fast machine for little $ indeed!
excellent Patriot ram breakdown:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...t/patriot.html
@ $221 for a gig for XBL Dual channel you really cant go wrong! :)
Never noticed the 3200+ on the ram before.
Can or cant?
@ $221 for a gig for XBL Dual channel you really cant go wrong! = can't
meaning you get what you pay for....aka good ram for excellent price
take a look at this ;)
users.skynet.be/bk265593/sis.JPG @ 3-4-4-8
With 2.5-3-3-7 its slable @ ddr630 (mem= gskill pc4800)
Has got to be 2T.Quote:
Originally Posted by L@TrO
2T isn't worth sh*t when it comes to performance.
Show us your max with 1T please. ;)
I just got my PDP XBL in and did some quick testing. This is the highest HTT I could get with 2-2-2-5 and 2.9v(my boards max).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...i/2873d37e.jpg
These results are completely stable, I ran memtest overnight with 0 errors.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
Brainpower PCB right? :stick:
Trust me when I say his MSI K8N Neo won't allow him to run 1t much over 260htt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
He edited it.. the 'cant' was 'can' before...Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
yea ,thats right . With T1 setting i realy can't get it stable. I think its a crap bord... But with t2 i don't have any problems gettings 'high' .Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX
Is that with ALL pdp sticks you've tested because I'm on my 3rd RMA from newegg for the PQI3200-1024DPU sticks and one stick always received errors at 2-2-2-5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex08
nope my other 3 sticks of 512mb don't have a problem running 2-2-2-5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catalan