I've found 12000 Winbond BH-6 chips stock.....

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Originally posted by hipro5
Will be given ONLY to users of our site here in Hellas and to users of Xtreme Systems forums....... ;)

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even those in the US/overseas? ;)

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Originally posted by hipro5
Will be given ONLY to users of our site here in Hellas and to users of Xtreme Systems forums....... ;)

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I'm glad to hear that
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Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
even those in the US/overseas? ;)

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Yes....... :D :toast:

lol ...everyone is already ordering these sticks. and he hasn't even made one yet.

can't wait for results tho on how they perform ...but according to bigtoe, we shudnt expect much. :rolleyes:

This is the most anticipated memory to date :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by a5h
...but according to bigtoe, we shudnt expect much. :rolleyes:

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rolling eyes at bigtoe is not really fair imho. he is just sharing his experience.

someone would be unhappy with what he says purely because he works for a commercial entity and their possible motives. it would be great if we rather gave him the benefit of the doubt. otherwise his only option is to stay completely out of memory related threads which wouldn't be such a good idea now would it.

actually i think ocz could turn this into a public relations 'win' if they offered fairly some quality pcb's to the community for this project.

/ramble

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Originally posted by hipro5

P.S. IF this will happen at last , I will NOT permit NOT even one module "go away" without making 240MHz(480MHz DDR) with Cas 2-5-2-2 and 3.1Vdimm.......and MINIMUM 265MHz(530MHz DDR) with Cas 2-5-2-2 and 3.5Vdimm on a Canterwood mobo......So on an A64 would perform even better..........ALL of the modules will be tested and will have their "lebel" on them of what they did and how they did it.....HAS anyone else done such a thing before???......You will KNOW EXACTLY what you're getting.....NOT BAD!!!...... :D

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Is anyone interested of a hipro5's RAM PCB???

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Yap, what would the price be for 2 x 512 BH5 chips on Hipro5 PCB ?

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Originally posted by flytek
actually i think ocz could turn this into a public relations 'win' if they offered fairly some quality pcb's to the community for this project.

/ramble

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One to you M8........ :toast:

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Originally posted by hipro5
One to you M8........ :toast:

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I agree, bigtoe and the other guys @ OCZ know their stuff, so it'd be silly to just ignore their insight/advice. ;) Hopefully, "IF" hipro5 needs any goods or advice, it would be forthcoming, in the spirit of helping a brother overclocker. :cool:

The fact that Tony works at OCZ should mean nothing in this thread. If hipro makes a bunch of sticks and sells them OCZ won't even blink nor will any other ram company for that matter. Fact is Tony just wants to make sure Hipro knows whats involved and the costs so he doesn't make a big mistake and blow a LOT of cash on something that may not work out. I've seen prices where it's about $6/chip and when you buy on the open market like that you always get dead chips and ones that don't run well. I wonder what % of the chips hipro buys will actually work out. It's all going to be interesting to see what actually goes into making ram...the behind the scenes :D

Steve

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Originally posted by Spec3
The fact that Tony works at OCZ should mean nothing in this thread. If hipro makes a bunch of sticks and sells them OCZ won't even blink nor will any other ram company for that matter. Fact is Tony just wants to make sure Hipro knows whats involved and the costs so he doesn't make a big mistake and blow a LOT of cash on something that may not work out. I've seen prices where it's about $6/chip and when you buy on the open market like that you always get dead chips and ones that don't run well. I wonder what % of the chips hipro buys will actually work out. It's all going to be interesting to see what actually goes into making ram...the behind the scenes :D

Steve

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ALSO well spoken........ ;)

yeah, if these things can beat some mushy bh-5 i got then get a package ready for canada.

Im also rather interested, hipro you got a kick ass find!

I would definately be interested as well... Assuming of course you will let us Canadians in in this deal if it goes through.

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Originally posted by wookie
I would definately be interested as well... Assuming of course you will let us Canadians in in this deal if it goes through.

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Canadians first....(my wife is from Canada)......... ;) :D

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Originally posted by hipro5
Will be given ONLY to users of our site here in Hellas and to users of Xtreme Systems forums....... ;)

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OMG! i want 2 of them :D

I read every single post in this thread. all I can say is: :toast:

Let's hope there will be a happy end in this story:slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

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Originally posted by hipro5
Canadians first....(my wife is from Canada)......... ;) :D

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Wonderful! :)

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Originally posted by bigtoe
Im not in any way trying to discourage Hipro from doing this...im just trying to help him decide what is the best way to do this and if it is worth spending potentially a lot of cash.

You have to remember the spot market had OCZ, Buffalo and Mushkin all buying BH6 and BH5 in just the same way as Hipro is doing now..we all tested IC's on a regular basis and all now decided the yield is to low to actually think it was worth while carrying on with BH based modules.If there was still good stuff out there trust me OCZ would buy it.

Now, this doesn't mean some of the BH5 hipro has found will not be any good...what it does mean is that careful speed binning will be needed before modules are built and this IC speed binning is not cheap. I just have a feeling you guys think its a simple task of soldering an IC on a pcb and thats it you have a wonder module...i can tell you this is far from the case.

If you guys had any idea of how many modules and IC's we test at ocz you would know that it takes a long time to find a stable source of good IC's etc and they have to be constantly checked week in week out for constistancy.

Also the pcb has to have the correct components to accept the BH IC so just any old PCB will not do..you have to be careful here.

Now to finish for those who don't know I work for OCZ and have done over a year now.I was instrumental in deciding if OCZ would restock the BH5 and BH6 modules and i also had a hand in deciding to drop them when yield bagan to suck.The last BH6 we tested was that bad less than 20% would do 200fsb at 2.8Vdimm, this is why i am expressing caution here.

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I'm fairly certain The actual manufacturers test them prior to stamping them. And that plus the tests ran on an assembled dimm is the limit of testing that most ram will go through. The idea that every chip must be hand-picked to get a good stick of ram is absurd. I've owned about half a dozen sticks of pc2100 Crucial (7.5ns tested) and every one of them did pc2700 at 7-3-3-2.5 (stock timings) and 2.6vdimm and at least 185 at those timings with 2.8vdimm. This was on a kt333 motherboard. The one stick I tried on a nf2 board and a i865 board did pc3700 speeds at 8-3-3-3 and about 3.2vdimm. I'm not buying that Crucial was testing all their chips to pc2700 specs before pc2700 was even available.

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Originally posted by hipro5
Will be given ONLY to users of our site here in Hellas and to users of Xtreme Systems forums....... ;)

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:toast:

omg saaya's sig just made fall out of my chair! :wierd:

Its the doom 3 of memory...

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Originally posted by Lithan
I'm fairly certain The actual manufacturers test them prior to stamping them. And that plus the tests ran on an assembled dimm is the limit of testing that most ram will go through. The idea that every chip must be hand-picked to get a good stick of ram is absurd. I've owned about half a dozen sticks of pc2100 Crucial (7.5ns tested) and every one of them did pc2700 at 7-3-3-2.5 (stock timings) and 2.6vdimm and at least 185 at those timings with 2.8vdimm. This was on a kt333 motherboard. The one stick I tried on a nf2 board and a i865 board did pc3700 speeds at 8-3-3-3 and about 3.2vdimm. I'm not buying that Crucial was testing all their chips to pc2700 specs before pc2700 was even available.

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I believe you missed the point of the post...

some for me please :D

any idea on cost yet ?!?

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Originally posted by hipro5
Canadians first....(my wife is from Canada)......... ;) :D

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Oh I'm from Canada too :D :toast:

Germany is very interested too!

Hope you know, where the coach of the Greece National Soccer Team, European Champion 2004, comes from, hipro5?? :D

Canadians first....(my wife is from Canada).........

YAY! :D

My igloo creates cool ambient temps! :D:D

Whew, I just read all 10 pages :D
This sounds awsome, I'd be down for a few sticks send to me here in CANADA :p:

Even if it doesnt work out, it sounds like fun anyways. Why wouldnt you want to twink around with a bunch of bh5/bh6 chips? Especialy since hipro5 you sound like your damn good at electronics and could make some functional ram to the least. Who else has made there own ddr sticks? :)

Can't wait to see how it turns out :toast:

Man... this is great news, just when i needed 2x 512MB sticks as Doom3 is killing me, i need more RAM :D

Let's just hope this really comes true and we'll have Hipro5 value rams LOL

'hipro bh-stix' :D

count me in for 2x512, possibly more :)

What better 3d to put my first post on this beautiful forum? this one, of course...;)

I start to read this forum 1 year ago and now I decided to register here.

Yours it's an amazing idea and I hope that all go to right way, I believe that you can do this (who says IC7 mods?:D) :cool:

I also hope that 2*512 sticks come to me, in Italy, it's possible?

Regards.

W3ll i must say im impressed with 3very1,s attitude and encouragement on here.

And tbh im guessin no1 has offered u any decent pcb,s to test with so i have a 512mb stick of bh5 here that doesnt clock too well

and i would be willing to send u it for testing ur first stick or whatever. all i ask is if it works u send it back and if it doesnt just chuck it in the bin lol. who knows u may even be able to get an uber 256 stick of the bh5 thats already on it lol.

if u want to use it my email is bouncin@btopenworld.com

power to the overclockers.

oh and btw i really dont mind if u bork it so dont worry bout that
im just interested to see if it can be done and from what ive seen ur the guy who might be able too.

lol at my 2 posts but dont worry ive been registered for a while but havent been any use untill today lol

any progress?

The company my father works, produce empty PCBs for Micron! If you need PCBs hipro5, i could ask if I can have more! I got 2 DDR-PCBs some time ago, but I couldnt test it cause I havent a machine for soldering the snall SMDs on it! :(

Where can I buy such tools? :D
I'm an electrician and have tuned some Ram with extra Caps, Resistors and Voltage Supplies yet, but I failed making my own PCB, because of the multilayer technic and SMD. I can only produce Double Layer PCBs.

And of course, I'M IN!!
2x 256MB :toast: :banana:

ultron5
That's nice of you.. I bet hipro would really like those PCB's.

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Originally posted by Flox
[B]Germany is very interested too!

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Portugal as well :slobber: :slobber: :D

while these guys are drooling for your RAM, may I chrissen the first stick via the russian way??? with clean methyl ;)

I like the sig, is there going to be a whole series of xtremesystems comics?

2x512mb for switzerland

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Originally posted by ultron5
The company my father works, produce empty PCBs for Micron! If you need PCBs hipro5, i could ask if I can have more! I got 2 DDR-PCBs some time ago, but I couldnt test it cause I havent a machine for soldering the snall SMDs on it! :(

Where can I buy such tools? :D
I'm an electrician and have tuned some Ram with extra Caps, Resistors and Voltage Supplies yet, but I failed making my own PCB, because of the multilayer technic and SMD. I can only produce Double Layer PCBs.

And of course, I'M IN!!
2x 256MB :toast: :banana:

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The problem would be that micron/crucial memory IC's are different from the winbond ones he will be using. If your dad can make ones that properly work with the winbond IC's then :toast:

but aren't all DDR chips designed with same basic characteristics? like what resistors have to go where and such ...

No. Pin counts on the chip may differ and the chips can actually physically differ in size and/or mount type (PGA or TSOP).

Might be interested if price is good.

I think Hipro needs a little rest, sounds like hes got the next 12 months of his life planned...Good luck for the future, I hope it works out well for you ;)

Tried contacting hipro about the DDRs, no reply.

How much are they anyway?

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Originally posted by kcnyc
Tried contacting hipro about the DDRs, no reply.

How much are they anyway?

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HIPRO is on vacation for a few days

this whole business is insane...

... i like it. count me in if and when the time comes! great stuff

Wow i had no idea there was so many canadians here! Anyone live in edmonton? ANyways thanks Hipro!

I'm about 7 hours south of edmonton, not many from Alberta on these boards ;)

It would seem so lol! So hard to find people to deal with in etown

e-town.. aptly named for the drugs lol ;)

I'm from argentina, but i've contacts in USA, if the price is good and it works well, count me for 2x512 :)

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I'm from argentina, but i've contacts in USA, if the price is good and it works well, count me for 2x512 :)

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when is your nex album coming out marshal?

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Originally posted by STEvil
e-town.. aptly named for the drugs lol ;)

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fun town :)

Hipro,
it looks like you're going to need all of the 12000 chips!
But that's not going to stop YOU..!!

We're with you man!!

Hi there everybody........

Sorry for my big delay of posting BUT I was on vacations in Crete Island and city of Chania........

I DIDN'T touch NOT even one button of a mouse or a keyboard.........Vacations of all......... :)

I just(this morning) came back and I readed my e-mails..........

BAD NEWS for all of us......... :(



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The same is for BH-6 chips........ :(

ALL my dreams have gone now............ :( :bsod: :brick:

I would like to THANK A LOT those guys who where willing to help ......... :toast:

I'm very sorry about that............Sorry guys........... :(

P.S. Is it possible that someone else bought them at the meantime and we'll see a company with brand new BH-6 and BH-5 Ram sticks???.........Do not know....... :(

me hordes BH-6 chips LOL j/k

sorry to hear though.. someone has them though!

sorry to hear about that destroying your project and all :( I really hope that you´ll find some to complete this madness of a project :D :)

My bet is a company bought them out from under you. They won't look at it like this because "it's just business" but...... :rolleyes: It should be easy to see if they did though. ;)

Thanks for trying Hipro! :toast:

totally off topic....but jeff.....

best.avatar.ever.

needed said.

It's just a mouse... :devil:

(or it was until it was removed... :()

Maby they have ch5 or other chips? :)

If a company bought them, we'll find out soon enough....

Thanks a lot guys........... :)

I do not know if someone bought them but if so,we will soon find that out..........

P.S. I'm STILL trying to find via other stock companies those BH-6 chips..........I won't give up till I'm totally convinced that there are no more of them out there........ ;)

The best of luck to you with your BH-6 hunt. :D :toast:

It was prolly some company like kingston that needed replacement chips for warranty repairs.

:(

It'll be interesting to see which company arrives back on the scene with a new ltd edition of BH-5/6. But Kalway's idea of a company buying for warranty purposes is quite possible.

i'm going to call the company and find out when the BH-5 and BH-6 was bought. I will also find some other places with BH-5 or BH-6 for you so that you may buy them and try this idea out.

That really does suck :(

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i'm going to call the company and find out when the BH-5 and BH-6 was bought. I will also find some other places with BH-5 or BH-6 for you so that you may buy them and try this idea out.

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Please do if you can M8.........I'm trying too....... :) :toast:

Good luck M8s

Hipro, when you found that stock.... if they ever REALLY had it physically, and not a mistake.... you needed to strike within HOURS.

Anyone at that company that then noticed you asked about BH6 BH5, etc and realized they had any in-stock... would cut a side deal outside the company in a HEARTBEAT.

Like, GEE WIZZ we have gold in-stock for $100/oz.... hmmm guess Ill just buy it myself, and resell it for $300/oz for a quick profit.

Like I said to you, I'd of brokered a deal that afternoon with Corsair or OCZ or Buffalo for the entire 12,000 units, at a $1/chip profit. Get it in writing, then have THEM cut two checks...one to the distributor, and one to YOU hehe. You wouldnt be out of pocket a DIME other than the phone calls.

No no no. You sell 10,000 of em to the big companies for a profit, then keep 2000 for the specialty XS modules. That way they pay for themselves.

Can't speak for Hipro... but sometimes it's not about the money... :shrug:

You are 100% right hr didn't start the project for the money in first place...

i just called and spoke to wendy it seems that this company that Hipro contacted is just a broker and they never had any BH-5 or BH-6 on hand

Sorry about the way things turned out, hipro5. :( On a side note, I saw some CH-5 Buffalo in newegg's refurb section. Only $40-something each, if anyone's desperate. ;)

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Can't speak for Hipro... but sometimes it's not about the money... :shrug:

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I was only saying that so he could break even, instead of spending money out of his own pocket.

Updates?

Stupid Bill Gates probably bought them, probably using BH-5/BH-6 as toilet paper :mad:

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Originally posted by DaveX
Stupid Bill Gates probably bought them, probably using BH-5/BH-6 as toilet paper :mad:

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yea, while the rest of us are stuck with toilet paper with crap timings... the charmin i just picked up is 3-4-4-8 and it doesn't even work in dual-ply channel.

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Originally posted by ichong
i just called and spoke to wendy it seems that this company that Hipro contacted is just a broker and they never had any BH-5 or BH-6 on hand

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Let it die M8s........I'm very pished off with this whole thing...... :mad:

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Originally posted by eshbach
yea, while the rest of us are stuck with toilet paper with crap timings... the charmin i just picked up is 3-4-4-8 and it doesn't even work in dual-ply channel.

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:ROTF:

lol, i can see someone saynig that and everyone looking at him clueless :D geek inside jokes rule

Has it really become that hard to find BH-5 ram? When I got my Mushkin a year ago it wasn't that hard at all.

yeah winbond discontinued BH-5 chips so they have become veyr hard to find. You can only get them second-hand, but there were reports that zipzoomfly's KHX3000 was the old rev which still used BH-5

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Originally posted by -=TriX=-
yeah winbond discontinued BH-5 chips so they have become veyr hard to find. You can only get them second-hand, but there were reports that zipzoomfly's KHX3000 was the old rev which still used BH-5

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I got my KHX3000 BH-5 from ZipZoomFly after it was discontinued but that was awhile ago maybe four months, Im not sure if the sticks they have now are still BH-5. It was even branded Winbound BH-5, not some Kingston code, too bad I havnt gotten volt mods yet to see if its some good BH-5.