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Alrighty then. :)
wtf ? what did the programmers of this bios think when they did this...Quote:
Originally posted by eclypse
Change system performace to normal from fastest.. Putting it to fastest will make your vdimm run .1v lower.
YoupY.. I had to put the HTT to 201 to get the PCI lock to take.. just encause ya didnt notice.
anyway, thanks!
heheh i dont know.. no ones perfect and these things take time i guess. Fix one thing and anohter goes.. I'm sure they will get it all figured out eventually.
whats the best BIOS to go with/??? 5/14/04?? or 5/05/
7-16 works fine for me. I haven't noticed much difference in any of the bios versions anyway (with the exception of 5/14 which stuffs my PC at “Verifying DMI Pool Data..” during startup.
which usdm should i use ? the sensors in my 2.0V beta only display total crap...
ya, don't know about the sensors... every app seems to report the 12v inacurately.
I noticed when I used USDM and MBM my 12v line would read accurately(verified with DMM).
Yup, my 12v rail is 10.5v in sandra, and USDM doesn't even report it at all - it's just grayed out :/
The 12v rail is spot on measured with a multimeter. I don't think the system even would boot with a 10v 12v rail :P
ya, my 12v (measured at the ATX connector while the system was running) was 12.15v using a digital multimeter.
Is anybody here able to run the 8x multi with a 300 HTT and the 2/3 memory divider? My HTT will run over 300, my 3200+ will run 2400 and my memory will do 200 easy, but when I combine all three elements in Clockgen it's reboot city. Some people earlier in this thread were having the same problem.
eclypse is your CPU running cooler or better without the heatsync?
Sorry no.. It dont look like it.. But at the same time my DD Maze 4 custom clamp isint holding the block down as good as it did before without the heatspreader on the die.. That plus my water pump is going so i have not clocked it as high as i did before.. I'm waiting to gather enough cash to buy a new black and pump so i can explore this more.. Sucks cause i'll never know if its better or worse with out it on there. :(
Though i will say dont even bother taking it off.. Also you'll never beable to use a regular heatsink on this after wards since the heigth is lower then before.
Dont try running that to long my friend. In all honesty SERIOUSLY I have lost 2 boards trying to run at those specs? My first board lost its PS2 Keyboard port and now my current board will randomly shutdown for no reason? Even after clearing the cmos I get random shutdowns another rma.Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
Is anybody here able to run the 8x multi with a 300 HTT and the 2/3 memory divider? My HTT will run over 300, my 3200+ will run 2400 and my memory will do 200 easy, but when I combine all three elements in Clockgen it's reboot city. Some people earlier in this thread were having the same problem.
The 8x and 9x multi don't seem to werk very well for me too :(Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
Is anybody here able to run the 8x multi with a 300 HTT and the 2/3 memory divider? My HTT will run over 300, my 3200+ will run 2400 and my memory will do 200 easy, but when I combine all three elements in Clockgen it's reboot city. Some people earlier in this thread were having the same problem.
With those multies I cant get the HTT speeds I could get with the 10x :confused:
so yeah...
i'm having problems as well now...
last night i left and my computer had shut off :(
so two sticks of ram won't work in my system anymore...
my ram together is good up to 240 @ 3.2 volts with 2-2-2-6 timings
now, i can't get 1 stick to run at 225 mhz even with 3.2 volts :(
i had bios 5/5 and now using 7/9 but still have the same problem
any ideas?
Wow i hope its just the motherboard.. Sounds expensive.. If your lucky ya just cooked the chipset?
my board is so fickle ugh
so 1 stick won't work but 2 sticks will??? wtf?
anyway it's working now :)
gosh, that was scary
Yo using slots 2 and 3? 1 sucks!
lol
i can't use slot 2!!!
i use 1 and 3
heh wow.. You testing them one stick at a time in each slot and 1 and 3 are good to go eh?
yeah!
strange...
and i also fixed my vcore problem by pulling the battery out of the board for 5 minutes then restarting... worked like a charm! :)
and now..
my board is dead!!!
no boot no power nothing!!! :(
geez... what crap!!! BAAAHHHH
oh well... can't wait for the dfi 754 board! :)
Well, I guess we need a chip capable of 3 Ghz+ then. LOL. Ugh. It's OK. My A-DATA PC4200 is coming soon, so I'll just run 1:1 below 300.Quote:
Originally posted by YoupY
The 8x and 9x multi don't seem to werk very well for me too :(
With those multies I cant get the HTT speeds I could get with the 10x :confused:
Clock for clock, how much of a performance boost is there with a HTT over 300 given that a memory divider must be used? I'm thinking 260s - 280s 1:1 will be better than 300+ with a memory divider.
Good question, as I would like to know also. My boards always crapped out before I had a chance to run 3dmark. Can some paleez eliterate on this?
Which bios is best for high htt clocks?
I`m currently running 16\7 bios. And can go to 345..
Has someone managed to get over 350htt whit this board?
Depending on what multi and mem divider you use you can get near the same mem mhz-en with 300 HTT.Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
Well, I guess we need a chip capable of 3 Ghz+ then. LOL. Ugh. It's OK. My A-DATA PC4200 is coming soon, so I'll just run 1:1 below 300.
Clock for clock, how much of a performance boost is there with a HTT over 300 given that a memory divider must be used? I'm thinking 260s - 280s 1:1 will be better than 300+ with a memory divider.
Using the memdivider makes a small difference, but not as much as using a mem divider on an nf2 chipset / proc...
Welp my board just took a crap as well... I was testing out my buddies new OCZ 3700EB 2x512MB and i changed mem slots from 2,3 to 1,3 and it wont post no more no matter what i do.. The LED display only shows 25 and stays there.
I've tried resetting the CMOS.. nope.. I've done it again and pulled the power and waited 10 mins.. Nope. I've disconnected everything from the board but the CPU,mem,graphics card... Nope same crap sittin at 25 no post..
I was thinking ok maybe its the graphics card and tried another.. Same thing.. Put my mem back in it.. same.
Then.. When i was putting back the graphics card i noticed something strange. A long trace that runs from above the AGP threw it to some cap totally looks fried. It totally lifted right off the board and is shreaded. :(
I'd love to know how that happend. No mods to the AGP card at all.. only a vdimm mod on the board only.
I'm happy that i put in for an RMA before my 30 days were up.. I've got a week to get this board back to the egg.. I hope the next one will be solid.
Pissed though that this had to happen the day DOOM 3 came out! Now i'm gona have to wait weeks to play it.
I only hope this thing didnt take out my ATI 9800XT with it.. though i dont see anything burnt on it.
Just so you know... if you took the memory out without making sure the capacitors in the PSU were discharged... you may have fried your CPU. That's the cost of having the memory controller ondie. :(
Alright.. I guess i'll power up the old Chaintech NF3 150 board with the same cpu in that and see what happends.. I'll just hold a heatsink to it so it wont take me all day to rearange the water cooling for it.
lol... mines a live again!!! :)
i think i had a grounding problem but dunno how...
took it out and it boots up now so hehehe
Good luck. :crossedfingers: ;)Quote:
Originally posted by eclypse
Alright.. I guess i'll power up the old Chaintech NF3 150 board with the same cpu in that and see what happends.. I'll just hold a heatsink to it so it wont take me all day to rearange the water cooling for it.
:P It posted in the chaintech board! Ahh.. So far so good.. Now when i go threw the total hassle of switching out the board and changing the water setup for the old board i hope the ATI card still lives..
Thanks for the suggestion Jeff... Its good to know the CPU is still ticking.
Great! :up:
Looks like all hope of a bios fix is lost :confused:
With comments like this from EPOX TECH:with:
"There is no undervolting or overvolting problem. As myself and Aedan have previously advised, please refer to the specification for the VRM and processor to understand the way that varying voltage lines are utilised"
"I will comment but will have to continue to state that it is symptoms experienced by those without knowledge of the specification or the application of the electronics that make for incorrect theories made by those without knowledge of the specification or the application of the electronics.
There certainly isn't a problem (not to be interpreted as there is a problem that they are keeping quiet about), but there certainly are some theories that make for very light hearted relief! Perhaps one should look at the 5VSB current load provision that is available during these ACPI states where the CPU is VID pinned back to origin and then re-asses the comment that they make.
I have no re-boot or stability issues with my system which invariably depending on what memory is passing through the office is far more overclocked than 90% of other systems out there.
I know it may sound all like a very bullish defense however I can't read things that are un-true or un-founded, or are made without any grounding without stating some baseline facts"
So when your PC wont cold boot, it's because your lack of knowledge of VRM :doh:
Last EPOX board I every buy, his attitude:grr:
I've read it too on aoa forums, Too bad epox thinks like this, while most of the users here are complaining about the prob...
Can't wait for the DFI... :D
The part I love the best is the patronizing manner in which he implies all the ppl with voltage problem have some how imagined or created this, and clearly have no understanding of electronic fundamentals. Thus rendering them selves stupid. I have B-eng and have no inclination to start downloading schematics to sort their pile of :moon: out.Quote:
Originally posted by YoupY
I've read it too on aoa forums, Too bad epox thinks like this, while most of the users here are complaining about the prob...
Can't wait for the DFI... :D
When I purchase a product I expect it to work, if it doesn’t then I at least expect them (manufacture) to acknowledge there’s a problem. Not imply that most of the OCing world is stupid.
I’m with you roll on DFI
:YIPPIE:
Apparently they think I'm blind now too. I suppose I just "guessed" right when the I said that the low voltage was indicated with red text. Of course, since that readout is not accurate, the computer should not have frozen past POST when 1.29V was indicated. LOL.
Well, after experimenting with the 7-16 BIOS for a while, I encountered the phantom "1.8V." I very pleased until on the third boot the POST screen was corrupted and I had to clear the CMOS again. No more 1.8V. :( Might as well go back to 5-14. At least I get 1.71V with that BIOS instead of 1.65V.
An another note, my board doesn't seem to like my two 512MB sticks of A-DATA PC4200 runnng a high HTT 1:1. If I run at 267 HTT x 9 with a memory divider, MEMTEST passes fine. If I run the memory and HTT at 267 - 273 1:1 with a lower multiplier, MEMTEST passes fine. If I run 267 x 9, 1:1 MEMTEST fails. Argh.
When IS that DFI board coming out?
Re Epox Tech
I am also getting a bit cheesed off with his attitude. He makes statements/assertions and then won't explain. I even asked specifically the following
Is Aedan correct in stating that the lowest Vcore should be 1.45 volts. If so what could be the cause of the reported 1.35 - 1.4 Vcore other than the response of the motherboard to the processor voltage request.
You refer in your reply to the the 5VSB which I don't understand as I thought that this only provided enough power to kick off the boot sequence and initiate the other rails. Even my Tagan 480 watt PSU only gives 2.5 amps on that line and that is one of the highest values I have seen.
No reply at all. Now he wants the 5VSB current measuring without any explanation.
Well we will wait and see.
That epox tech is full of :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:, I once bought his lame excuses but reguardless this board is a pain and wont be much of anything with the fluctuations. Maybe they will get it right with the next revision as this one is to tempermental IMO. Cant wait for the DFI!
ohhh....
so i played also with the bios of 16-7-04 and i got the bug as well....
cant boot the board 3 times when it was oc ed....
first setted the vcore to 1.65 and it bootet with 1.5-1.55 so i got bluescreen...
default settings 200x10 and 1.55 core ended in 1.45 core too less!!! so i cant start it
then i got it stable @ 200x10 with 1,65 really runnin at 1,55
so i went back on my old "most" stable bios where i never expierenced such problems and there i played more then on the :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ty new bioses so try 15.4 maybe it ll help...
anybody no if the ram booster is working on the board because my vdmm is also everytime little bit lower then i setted... i set it to 2,7 it goes to 2,67 i pput it 2,8 ot goes 2,77... i ll get bh-6 so i ll need the booster....
but high htt seems no problem on the board...
and did ya all got newcastle cores and which stepping do u got @ the guys with this voltage probs everytime....
im sry 4 ya
and epox support isnt best i knew... i asked what board would be better for oc ing kda3+/j they said the J isnt as good as the K so i bought the K...
then i got littl starting probs oc ing my amd 64 3200 AEP5AP
and asked them for help but they only answere they cant give any advice in oc ing because its out of warranty and specifications...
so guys why do they told me to buy.... for their Own mOney
stinks littl bit i think...
seEn andL
Epox should hire this guy:
http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=35
"I moded the 7/16 bios to give me 1.8v core voltage. Thats all I changed. I get up to 1.840 volts with CPU stressed and 1.744 idle. Works great. I have an 8kda3+. Is anyone interested in this?"
Woohoo!
The huge "overvolting" is still there...Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
Epox should hire this guy:
http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=35
"I moded the 7/16 bios to give me 1.8v core voltage. Thats all I changed. I get up to 1.840 volts with CPU stressed and 1.744 idle. Works great. I have an 8kda3+. Is anyone interested in this?"
Woohoo!
Fine with me. I'm on water. I just don't want it undervolting.Quote:
Originally posted by kakaroto
The huge "overvolting" is still there...
yeah! great news....
and fully ack @ aldamon we only didn t want to undervolt :D
please i need this bios can u post a link where we could get it here !
seEn andL
I just flashed and almost used the modded bios but i couldnt get myself to do it. Someone wanna try first?
yeah 1.8v time to overclock thanks man I'll try it.
I tried it and I can't get into the BIOS settings. Windows boots fine though. I'm going to try flashing it again.
[ Edit: aldamon is perfectly capable of speaking for aldamon :) ]
To recap -- somebody with 2 posts shows up and posts a modded BIOS, and people are willing to flash it? Had the poster had more demonstrable experience with this kind of thing, no worries, but without more info on the poster and/or their skills, no way in :censored: am I trying it...
We have an EPROM programming machine at work and I'm friends with the operator, so I have a bit of an insurance policy.
Modded 7/16 bios
EDIT: original modded BIOS was supposedly corrupt....this one is supposed to be fixed.
Am I missing something here...I don't see the 5/14 bios posted here. Nor do I see it over at aoa. Have I lost my mind?
so maybe i ll test it...... later
if the guy had tooked it down there must be more work 4 him :D
but thx @ bones 4 the link!
@ gouda if u didnt get it give me ur mail i ll send it to u!
and imho u guys have all tried this bios 5/14 and there u got also the volt probs? if not try and which cores and steppings du u got?!
its fully stable on this i only got the problem with the vdimm that its a littl bit low but i think epoy made it so a asked them for a working ddr booster on the +/j boards they said yes but didnt go over 2,75 vdimm....
LOL
why should i buy the booster then :P
seEn andL
it exists... i have it somewhereQuote:
Originally posted by gouda96
Am I missing something here...I don't see the 5/14 bios posted here. Nor do I see it over at aoa. Have I lost my mind?
It was posted earlier but here it is again ;)
http://www.epox.com/USA/article.asp?ID=1707
Would be nice if he modded the bios to allow 3.2 volts through Vdimm, my BH5 struggles with 2.76 volts. Even better when it under volts it to 2.5 as has happened. Still Its just my imagination :banana:Quote:
Originally posted by xxORBxx
It was posted earlier but here it is again ;)
http://www.epox.com/USA/article.asp?ID=1707
just get the ddr booster if ure sure that ur mem controller ll do it :D
Thanks for that bios guys. Using only 1.65vcore bios and mbm reports about 1.65v pretty stable with 5/14, and vdim slightly undervolts. Too bad it is about 80f in the room where that computer is, and it has a crappy hsf. The 3200 nc (newegg sent the wrong processor, I ordered a cw but a 512k L2 nc arrived instead) seems to do 2.55 stable with 1.65vcore.
So has anyone had any positive results with the modded bios?
You guys better not make me test this thing tonight ;) Someone please try it out
Guys, the original file was corrupted when it was uploaded. The guy E-mailed me a copy and it works great. PM me if you want a copy. I'm getting 1.75 - 1.76V VCORE under load now. Of course, I still had to clear the CMOS and unplug the battery and all power to clear the VCORE after flashing.
It works great here too!.. now we need to MOD the ram voltage!! buaahaaaah!:toast:
works for 1.85 vcore?Quote:
Originally posted by blass
It works great here too!.. now we need to MOD the ram voltage!! buaahaaaah!:toast:
~1.8 (1.76 or so)Quote:
Originally posted by xxORBxx
works for 1.85 vcore?
I would do but Im using all three slots 2 x256 1 x 512;)Quote:
Originally posted by andL64
just get the ddr booster if ure sure that ur mem controller ll do it :D
Can you not e-mail this chap and ask him to mod the bios to allow 3.4 ish Vdimm with 1.8 ish Vcore. Now that would be even better :p:Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
Guys, the original file was corrupted when it was uploaded. The guy E-mailed me a copy and it works great. PM me if you want a copy. I'm getting 1.75 - 1.76V VCORE under load now. Of course, I still had to clear the CMOS and unplug the battery and all power to clear the VCORE after flashing.
Thank you for your response board will arrive soon Ill post back with new results!Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
Guys, the original file was corrupted when it was uploaded. The guy E-mailed me a copy and it works great. PM me if you want a copy. I'm getting 1.75 - 1.76V VCORE under load now. Of course, I still had to clear the CMOS and unplug the battery and all power to clear the VCORE after flashing.
Quote:
Originally posted by andL64
just get the ddr booster if ure sure that ur mem controller ll do it :D
i would if i could.
i have the v-booster but i'm not using it. if i put my mem's at slot 2 and 3 the computer gets unstable. i can´t even boot to windows.:(
with slots 1 and 3 i have no problem!!!
i'm using 9/7 bios.
Ive got this 3200xlpro ram that needs 2,75v's on stock.. my bios only gives it 2,65-2,7 and 3dmark won't even run properly ... and ehm.. this bios that allows 1,8ish vcore... can u post/link it again? thanks.
I'm running Corsair TwinX4000pro (default voltage of 2.75) on my system just fine, albeit with the memory set at 2.80v in the bios.
i have tried the modded bios, but even when i select 1,8v in bios i still get the same 1,7v (around that) i did before :(
Even under load? He said he was getting about 1.74v idle, and 1.84v load, atleast I think he said that.
Quote:
Originally posted by joni
I have tried the modded bios, but even when i select 1,8v in bios i still get the same 1,7v (around that) i did before :(
Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
Guys, the original file was corrupted when it was uploaded. The guy E-mailed me a copy and it works great. PM me if you want a copy. I'm getting 1.75 - 1.76V VCORE under load now. Of course, I still had to clear the CMOS and unplug the battery and all power to clear the VCORE after flashing.
clear CMOS mine works fine 1.8v NO PROBLEMS:D
Anyone tried these bios yet?Quote:
Originally posted by Frank E. BoNeS
Link is dead to the modded BIOS....looks like the guy who made it took it down. I uploaded it to my webspace if anyone wants it....use at your own risk of course. ;)
Modded 7/16 bios
I haven't tried it yet BTW.
ALDAMON AND I HAVE. it reallly works if you r overcloking you should try it.:CTF:
Anyone have another link to the 7/16 modded bios? that one is corrupted.
This may help
http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25914
Do the 8KDA3+ beta bios work on the J motherboards?
yes, they do work.Quote:
Originally posted by quicksilverXP
Do the 8KDA3+ beta bios work on the J motherboards?
Can't wait to get a working "J" again. NewEgg.com was sold out for the longest time. I see they are instock now so it won't be long... ;)
Now ET says we could fry our CPUs, capacitors and MOSFETs at 1.8V without proper cooling and that the 1.8V option has always been hidden. I don't know about you, but it seems to me 1.8V is a little low for motherboard components to fry.
He's probably just trying to cover Epox's butt. ;)
You can also uncover the 1.8v option by screwing with ClockGen.
lol man these A64 board make zero sense.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff
He's probably just trying to cover Epox's butt. ;)
You can also uncover the 1.8v option by screwing with ClockGen.
how´s the new mod bios doing in high HTT terms?
Clockgen always locks my system. I'm tired of that program.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff
He's probably just trying to cover Epox's butt. ;)
You can also uncover the 1.8v option by screwing with ClockGen.
just played around with the newest officiel bios.. g8 one and with around 330 htt max bootup (3x htt) allthough the cpu voltage is flatuation quite a bit
ppl just wanted to say...
the 7/16 modded bios is quite good. goodbye vcore instabilities and bugs. just flash it, reboot, turn of your machine, disconnect power cord and clear cmos by jumper. it will stabilize all the vcore issues.
thanks a million to the guy who modded this.
PS: cant you do anything about the vdimm? like raising it, so when we choose 2.8v it gives 3.3v or something like that.
cheers
How high do you overclock in the BIOS? I'm a little hesitant due to the possibility of BIOS corruption or something similar :stick:Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
Clockgen always locks my system. I'm tired of that program.
yes like in my case...
i didnt tried it again but when i got the board i tested oc ing with clockgen but it frezzed everytime i setted multi lower or htt up...
so i didnt test again because it seemed too buggy for me so i go with the bios settings
htt 350 is enough! :D
PS: why u can only set vore to max 1.55 in clockgen?! turn in bios and dont touch apply fid/vid?
I get to 240 x 10 in the BIOS. I can boot at 267 x 9, but that introduces memory errors in Memtest. I can't boot at 300+ with the BIOS. It may be my chip, but since I can't select anything lower than 8x in the BIOS, I'm out of luck. Clockgen is nice and all, but I don't think you can use Memtest in Windows.Quote:
Originally posted by Syphon
How high do you overclock in the BIOS? I'm a little hesitant due to the possibility of BIOS corruption or something similar :stick:
With 05/05 bios I can't lower the multi without total boot failure and bios loading in safe mode.
Will the latest official (or any other) bios fix this.
How safe is using Magic Bios or Winflash instead of the boot disc or Alt+F2 methods.
Still stuck at 235 x 10 at 1:1
I haven't had problem ever flashing in windows. Just be sure you flash @ stable settings. The chance something goes wrong is very small.
I think it's even riskier to flash using a floppy, since that are the most irreliable things ever made ;)
Are you ever changing the HTT divider? Try 3x insted of 4 if you are.
can u tell us what the blue screen says? u can disable auto rebooting after getting a blue screen:
pc. If u get something with Physical Memory Dump, im having the same problem, but then even at say 217htt (x4)... 5/14 bios, tho 6/17 says the same. Even reviewers can do all kinds of benchies with the exact setup I have. But mine gives random reboots that has something to do with windows protection + RAM. Grmbl.. :x
wow... i thought i was the only one as well!!!
so hmm... i guess it's the board... i was beginning to think it was my chip
I get the physical memory dump too. I always thought it was my CPU though. Since I have a 3200+ Clawhammer, I can only go to 10x. 10 x 240 works while anything higher gives me a memory dump. My 3700EB will arrive in a couple of days. It might be my two 512MB sticks of A-DATA PC4200.
Counting the days until the DFI is available....