Check it out, my 1600 chip useing a 12.5 multiplier, to funny:D
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Check it out, my 1600 chip useing a 12.5 multiplier, to funny:D
OPP
I've got this xp1600 running on the 13.5 multiplier now, I dig it:D
By the way, what are 1600 chips overclocking to these days?? I just realised I'm doing 1900Mhz, a 500Mhz Overclock at stock voltage:eek:
Interesting:D
OPP
hey Opp... Will this board work with a Saphire 9700 pro card.. I sure hope so. I have read some say it wont.. Wonder if it was just an old bios issue??? Thanks
BTW: Did you ship that package yet?
--Efreak
I'll be shipping it Thursday and you'll have it Friday.Quote:
Originally posted by efreak
hey Opp... Will this board work with a Saphire 9700 pro card.. I sure hope so. I have read some say it wont.. Wonder if it was just an old bios issue??? Thanks
BTW: Did you ship that package yet?
--Efreak
I don't see why the Saphire would't work on this mobo, my ATI 9700 works fine:D
OPP
...it is quite normal that u can set the XP1600+ up to 12.5x multi with closed L1 bridges! That is nothing special.
BUT: It is new (on the KD7 i suppose) that u can use the multis above 13x without changing the L10 bridge! :eek:
That's fantastic! :D
...XP1600+ (especially AGOIA/AROIA batches) are as good Overclockers as XP2100+ from the same batch. There is really no difference between them. Its the same quality now. :)
I've tested ~ 55 XP1600+ from various steppings in the last months -> AGOIA -Y and AROIA -Y clock well up to 1830MHz @ 1.75V on straight watercooling (ambient water).
-9 steppings about 1750MHz @1.75V
So with your Prom they should do ~ 2 GHz without trouble! :)
Goldlocke,
Thanks, yea I never new they did multipliers above their default. I never had a smaller XP chip then the 1800 and I don't even remember that one:D
This is a week 12 Y, it's doing 2024 right now at 1.90, going to check for some stability and do some More:D
Lets see, a 2100 chip from what I remember did about 2100 Mhz so we'll see how this puppy does. I guess 2100 isn't very far at this point:D
OPP
OPP,
I believe that AMD does not select the palomino chips anymore. They come from the same manufacturing street and then get labeled as market demand requires. So, later XP1600+ should really be same chips as XP2100+ internally.
In the past i always bought 1600's with the steppings of their "bigger brothers" ;)
I'm sure you'll take the little puppie to 2100MHz! :D
OPP,
AXP 1600+ AGOIA 0213 Y is the chip that I had runnin 2100MHz on air...just unlocked it last night( i hope ) and I'm gonna throw it in my water rig to see what it can run. Interesting about the mults w/ the KD7...I'm wondering if it woulda been fully unlocked w/o connecting the L1's? Or perhaps unlocked above 13 mult? If the KD7 wasn't such a POS I mighta tried one by now, hehe :D
That I can't believe! On air!? real 2100MHz prime95 proofed? sorry, m8 - that would be the first one! :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by [N8]
AXP 1600+ AGOIA 0213 Y is the chip that I had runnin 2100MHz on air...
And I've seen many, many 1600s!
No, unstable on air :)
I have a thread I need to revive in the overclocking forum regarding the chip. I finally pulled it for unlocking and put my AROIA back in and hooked up my water. Just unlocked the AGOIA last night I hope so I will be putting it back in tonight and seeing if I can stabilize above 2GHz. If so, I will be 1 happy camper :)
I had that AGOIA running something ridiculous like 1.9GHz stable @ 1.85v on air...it should hopefully blow my AROIA away which runs 1950MHz stable @ 2.2vcore on water :D
P.S. Its not the only chip floating around that is so good...forget the guy's name but there was another guy in here floating around w/ a AGOIA runnin over 2GHz w/ a SLK-800/Delta setup...some of these chips are just diamonds...especially for $55......he was posting 3DMark scores @ over 2050MHz if I remember correctly..on air!
Pfeee! *calming down...* :) I hoped so. I mean, I already saw myself walking to my shop again looking for those XP1600+ week 13 -YQuote:
Originally posted by [N8]
No, unstable on air :)
U saved my time! :D
still that diamond of yours is great (for a palomino)! :D
Opp...
I may have a supplier for the board, he's contacting me tomorrow. If I can get one or two I'll work out what it'd cost in US to send it over to you etc and send u a PM.
I agree, the board itself is as good as all Abit's previous offerings other than the heat issues... and they don't SEEM to affect things much with the board other than causing a damp brown feeling in your pants when you first see the system temps... I just can't help going into the basement every hour or so to check that my tower isn't on fire tho... I don't feel secure with the board to leave it running without me nearby to keep an eye on it. Something I haven't felt since my last Asus board back before I got my first KR7A-Raid...
I have found a downside to the Iwill tho... only 1x Raid channel (I mean, duh! What can you do seriously with one RAID channel?!) and 1x Serial ATA... hoping this is reflected in the price, as in it should be way lower than the AT7-Max2 as it only has half the RAID features... looks like it's aiming to capture the budget conscious overclocker so it may not actually perform that well... we'll see.
Is this Iwill mobo you are referring to the one that is supposed to be based on the KT400A ?
Fedex dropped off my RMAed KD7R..looks the same Revision 1.1 just like the last one. Booted it up at 15x140 and SB is getting warm to touch..added a HS (pic below). Also going to add a fan blowing on caps. Hope this one does not die as I used a silver epoxy to glue the HS to SB.
I got mine yesterday did a few benches on it, the motherboard reads the mobo temp as well over 38c sometimes 40-41c. Cpu temps seem about right 30-33c at stock cpu speeds. The mobo temps worry me though since I had the ac blowing at the mobo directly.
Has anyone tried the new CORSAIR PCI 3500 yet?
Not that I can find it in Canada anyway... Its rated 433 MHz..
Len Hjalmarson,
There is thread or 2 in the overclocking forum all about that memory :)
is there any way an admin could merge this topic and Opp's "got me a kD7-raid" topic together, or could the original posters (Dude & Opp) decide between them to get one of em locked as this conversation is gettin spread across more n more threads at the mo... and yes I know I cross-posted, figure'd that way it'd defintiely get read... :D
Well, I've spent the evening burning in to try and get back upto my usual speed that I know I can get from this CPU and memory... no joy. No matter what happens as soon as I either go past 207FSB (no matter what cas settings are used), or past 1956Mhz (no matter what FSB / Multi combination) I get the same HDD corruption... \Windows\System32\Config\System
Taken me 45 mins to make up a Universal Boot Disc CD with full NTFS r/w access thru DOS, and full Ghost etc, so I have now backed up the entire config directory to a separate drive. Every time the HDD gets corrupted I just have to copy *.* from the backup drive to system32\config and my hard-drive is instantly uncorrupted.
Have given links to the online ISO etc to Icee for the 3DTeam...
Good point marci, admin can lock mine or merge them, whatever is best.:D
Marci,Quote:
Originally posted by Marci
Opp...
I may have a supplier for the board, he's contacting me tomorrow. If I can get one or two I'll work out what it'd cost in US to send it over to you etc and send u a PM.
Sounds good, let me know:D
OPP
Done!;)Quote:
Originally posted by Marci
is there any way an admin could merge this topic and Opp's "got me a kD7-raid" topic together, or could the original posters (Dude & Opp) decide between them to get one of em locked as this conversation is gettin spread across more n more threads at the mo... and yes I know I cross-posted, figure'd that way it'd defintiely get read... :D
I must say man this board runs super hot. After trying to do some ocing and upping the voltages the board was reading system temps as over 50c. This is with the ac unit blowing directly at it I can only imagin how hot it gets inside a closed case.
Has anyone else but me thrown a digidoc or compunurse probe on these KD7s to see if the reported system temps are accurate?Quote:
Originally posted by dynetk
I must say man this board runs super hot. After trying to do some ocing and upping the voltages the board was reading system temps as over 50c. This is with the ac unit blowing directly at it I can only imagin how hot it gets inside a closed case.
I've yet to get a system temp from a KD7 that is less than 15-20 higher than what you get when you use an actual probe. If you check the manual, it is easy to identify the sensor that the mobo is using to read the sys temp. Place a probe there nets temps 15-20c lower.
I do not believe these boards run as hot as everyone is saying. Although the mosfets do get damn hot, the sys temps are just a bad reading.
Well, my KD7-R arrived today as well. Didn't have time to install tonight since I was upgrading my daughter's rig but I will tomorrow and will report any anomalies.
I'll check it out later when I bench and see if I get any where near the result the boards giving me.
My replacement KD7R ran all night at 2100mhz folding. Temps are a tad high, but not bad. I don't know if the SB HS made the difference or if it's just a crap shoot and I got a good board this time. I did not add a fan blowing on caps because the swifty HS is actually keeping them cool because of its design. So far so good...might play with it some, but waiting on Prom to get here before I torture it.:D What memory timings are you guys able to get? I saw it posted somewhere, but can't find it now.
Due to HD corruption much above 203mhz FSB for me, I keep my FSB right at 200 for day to day use. At that speed, I am pleased to report that my Corsair XMS 3200 512 stick will run at:
CAS 2
4 Way Interleave
2,6,2 (max Trp, Tras, Trcd )
2T DRAM Command
Now it can run at 1T, but it will throw an error every few hours or so....so I do not consider that stable. Using 2T, however, she'll loop 3DMark overnight.
Sandra benches are in the 3050 range at these settings. Not a barn burner or anything, but damn fine for day to day, 24/7 use:)
Thanks mdzcpa,
I will try these, I also found marcis timing which are close to yours.:D
I checked the temps where the probe was last night I got temps of 35c or so max while the board was reading close to 50c. Could it be reading the temps from the northbridge? Also I'm only able to run a max fsb of 175mhz my 9700 doesn't want to go anyhigher for some reason. OPP did you need to do anything special to get it to work? Black magic perhaps?
As far as the system temp is concerned, I have no idea why it is reporting too high. If we are to beleive the Abit KD7 manual, the temp is supposed to come off that sensor just to the left of the northbridge. I think it's just something screwed up on the calibration of the sensor.Quote:
Originally posted by dynetk
I checked the temps where the probe was last night I got temps of 35c or so max while the board was reading close to 50c. Could it be reading the temps from the northbridge? Also I'm only able to run a max fsb of 175mhz my 9700 doesn't want to go anyhigher for some reason. OPP did you need to do anything special to get it to work? Black magic perhaps?
The Radeon 9700 is another issue altogether. That card just does not like high AGP bus speeds no matter what mobo you use.
Can anyone confirm if cooling the southbridges helps with the corruption problem?
And has anyone tried using a higher VIO yet?
I wish i could get my hands on a KT400 datasheet to see what timing is screwed up over 200mhz.
There's no option to chang the vio. I guess opp and mricee are just lucky guys to have a 9700 that will do over 200fsb
Not in bios, but you can always hack da board.
I did nothing speacil, I can tell you that my first card had trouble at 77mhz, this card handles much high AGP speeds, got lucky:DQuote:
Originally posted by dynetk
OPP did you need to do anything special to get it to work? Black magic perhaps?
OPP
Player0
I can't say if cooling the SB has helped with Hdd corruption because I haven't pushed the fsb up yet, When I have a chance to get up past 200, I will post my luck...or lack of.:D
Hmm lucky!, When you run 3dmarks does it say your vcard is running at 2x? Power strip says mine is at 8x but everything else says 2x :(
My card was running at 8x acording to the latest Cpuid, it would run at 4x with the latest ATI drivers.Quote:
Originally posted by dynetk
Hmm lucky!, When you run 3dmarks does it say your vcard is running at 2x? Power strip says mine is at 8x but everything else says 2x :(
OPP
Guys, I called ATI technical support about this AGP 8X issue. The fact of the matter is it's not an issue at all. The tech support rep did actually know what he was talking about. He stated the software developers need to update their apps to recognise AGP 8X. I specifically told him ATI's own drivers tell me my card is running at AGP 2X. He stated the ATI control panel was unable to recognize the currect AGP transfer speed and this would be rectified in the next driver release. But the card is indeed running at AGP 8X.
WCPUID v. 3.1 and 3dMark 2001SE build 330 correctly recognizes the AGP 8X bus speed.
I guess I'll take pstrips info saying it's 8x. According to ati I already have the latest version of the 9700, I guess right now it's either the motherboard that's doing something that the vcard doesn't like or the vcard just dosn't like the high fsbs (my guess it's this).
OPP... need a quick favour... you know you were saying the KD7-Raid allows multiplier adjustment straight out of box with the Tbreds... well, does it allow the full scope of 5.5 thru to 22x, or just 12.5 upwards?? Gotta customer askin over on our forums...
Particularly HERE
Marci, Im not OPP, but I can choose 12 and lower on my KD7 with an XP 2400+.
Yeah you can choose it.... will it boot tho?? I thought when using the multis, set one way 13 = 5, 13.5 = 5.5 etc etc, and when set the other 13 = 13, 13.5 = 13.5 etc etc... So does the Abit now manipulate the bit setting at the same time as you select the multi?? Think I'm gonna find out what I can do with my XP tonight... never bothered trying pushing it up on the multi...
Marci,
I haven't tried booting to them all, but mine goes 5.5 to 18, xp2400 on KD7R with shipping Bios.:D
yes, I can boot it. I use 12*200 right now.
Yep...I've also confirmed it boots at 10, 10.5, 11, and 11.5. No troubles with the lower range:)
Brill.... hope it can do the same with a Palomino XP then... maybe this chip'll reach new heights for me at a lower FSB with a higher multi...
Cheers Guys!
One more quicky... if the KD7-Raid'll do it, can we assume that the AT7-Max2 will also do it? We haven't any in stock at the mo for me to try...
I don't know Marci. I have both boards and the KD7 overclocks a hell of a lot better than the AT7-MAX2. The KX7-333R overclocks way better than both of them. Personally, I think both of these boards suck as far as overclocking is concerned.
Anthony,Quote:
Originally posted by emtp563
I don't know Marci. I have both boards and the KD7 overclocks a hell of a lot better than the AT7-MAX2. The KX7-333R overclocks way better than both of them. Personally, I think both of these boards suck as far as overclocking is concerned.
When you say doesn't overclock as well, are you saying that one board will let your chip run at higher Mhz then the other??
OPP
That's exactly what I'm saying. With the AT7, I was only able to get barely 2300Mhz. Plus, anything over 170FSB was a no-go, and yes, that's with the 1/5 divider. On the KD7, I'm running 2400Mhz. On the KX7-333, 2500Mhz was no sweat at all @ 1.93v. I can run 2550Mhz on the KD7, but it is nowhere near stable. I'm not willing to use any vcore higher than 1.95V, as my Vapo is at it's limit.
Intresting, the 2200 I was useing could do 3D mark at 2370 Mhz on the KD7, I'm wondering now if it could have gone even more on the KX7.
OPP
Well, I put my KD7-R in last night and this morning my KX7-333R went back in. It wouldn't let me overclock as high as my KX7-333R and at one point I couldn't even get it to boot anymore even with clearing the CMOS. I don't think it's dead but after that I took it out and put the KX7 back in. I am going to find out, for sure, how to unlock this 2400+ so I can run it with a higher FSB in this KX7.
I was able to run at 185fsb before it crapped out though. I liked the memory scores of 27xx/26xx even at such a low FSB.
My current Enermax only has an old P4 Aux power connector instead of the 4 pin connector so once my new Enermax 650w PSU arrives next week I'll give it a go again.
You all were right about the system temps being read outrageously high. There's no way my system temps were really that high. They were reading 10-15c higher than on my KX7. I touched all the mofsets, southbridge and everything else I could think of and none of them were even warm let alone that hot. Something's not right there.
I was very impressed seeing all the additional memory settings. I was also impressed they cleaned up some of the bios settings as well. I think the board has huge potential with some bios updates. I'll let it rest for a week or so and try again when I get my new PSU.
bigdawginva,
Did you flash with the latest bios?? Its a must.
OPP
I couldn't agree more. Moving to the B8 BIOS made a huge difference in stability and overclockability.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Did you flash with the latest bios?? Its a must.
OPP
Yes, I did. One of the first things I did. In fact, it was aggravating that, until I did, cold boots could only be accomplished with CMOS resets because of the unrecognizeable CPU. I'm going to give it a rest until the new PSU arrives and I'll give it another go. My current rig is up to 16.8k now so I think 17k is certainly possible if I can free up this FSB. I'm not sure whether my inability to connect the secondary PSU connection created any issues. I'll find out once the new Enermax arrives.
BTW, the sniper was 6 miles from my house tonight. We've eaten there many times. Getting too close for comfort now.
No, did the guy strike again?? I didn't here about it.Quote:
Originally posted by bigdawginva
BTW, the sniper was 6 miles from my house tonight. We've eaten there many times. Getting too close for comfort now.
OPP
Yeah at about 9 last night right outside a Ponderosa, hopefully they will catch him before my campin trip to Shenedoah next weekend.
--NY
So....
Is the general consensus that the KD7 is a GOOD thing or not? I need to buy another board temporarily whilst this KX7 gets RMA'd.
It was a foregone conclusion after reading the 1st 3 pages of this thread, but it got sketchy towards the end.
Not needing to volt mod is a HUGE positive, but all this fsb corruption is a little scary.
Using XMS3200cl2 I could boot to desktop at 219 (MAJOR AGP tearing), run 24/7 at 214. I've since added water cooling and a 9700 so anything higher than 203fsb is a no go (thanks ATI).
I'm assuming getting the RAID version of the board and using the HPT controller will clear up this corruption issue.
Thumbs up or thumbs down on the KD7?
I'd say go for it, at 200 with your mem you've got nothing to worry about, you can get perfectlly stable. Like you said the 9700 will stop you from Higher FSB anyway.
OPP
I also say "thumbs up". Besides the corruption issue, I have had no problems with the KD7-RAID.
Strong Points:
Great voltage options
Internal CPU diode temp reading
AGP x8...for what it's worth
Onboard sound and LAN are actually pretty good
Tbred CPU has all mutlipliers available without unlocking
Weak Points:
Hard drive corruption
Poor asynchronous FSB/memory stability
Some have reported heat issues, but I haven't experienced it.
Be aware, though, corruption still occurs using the Highpoint IDE's too. But, like OPP said, it's only a issue if you must have 200+ FSB speeds.
/pimp mode on
BTW, you can check out my KD7-RAID Motherboard Review Here at Liquid Ninjas.
/pimp mode off
I most certainly do NEED 200+ fsb.
...ATI just doesn't want to cooperate.
Okay, now time to find one local.
I just called CompUSA on the off chance of finding one at a retail store on a Sunday.
"Hi, I'm looking for a specific motherboard and I'm not sure you even carry it. It's an Abit KD7Raid"
"Ummm... uhhhh... the only thing I see is a green box that says GIG-UH-BIT - is that what you're looking for?"
Large chain retail computer store personnel scare me.
That's an EXCELLENT review! It was extremely informative and well written. I was especially pleased to find that the KD7 had no problems running synchronously with the ram at FSB 200.Quote:
Originally posted by mdzcpa
/pimp mode on
BTW, you can check out my KD7-RAID Motherboard Review Here at Liquid Ninjas.
/pimp mode off
You say that the HDD corruption occurred at FSB's higher than 200, can I safely infer that the likelihood of problems happening is small if I stay at 200? Did it occur on the raid as well as the standard IDE channels?
I broke down and ordered one also.. should have mine on Wednesday and the CPU (2400+) on Monday.
ALso ordered the CORSAIR PCI 3200 CAS2. Now I have to decide whether to go air cooled or liquid.. wish the liquid cooling systems were cheaper...
Thanks for the review pointer!
It's my beleif that the HD corruption is caused by a PCI timing issue at 200mhz and above. Some people don't experience the issue, but I think the timing problem is still there. I'd recommend staying at something like 198mhz, as I dont beleive the timing issue exists below 200.
I dont know. Even if HD corruption doent occur till like 210mhz, the issue beihind the corruption is still some incorrect timing register somewhere. And, it may even cause subtle corruption of data here and there, even if symptoms dont seem to exist.
Until these boards and BIOS mature, and we know the long term effects of running the boards over 200mhz, if you have data on your drives which you dont want to loose, id stay under :) But, if you dont see corruption right away, the risk is probably low and you may not get the corruption (it seems to mostly be an all or nothing deal).
Hmmmm.... wonderin if a journey thru the realms of wpcredit may bring about a solution....
I really thought so, but without a KT400 spec sheet....difficult at best. :)
I have seen the data corruption happen at under 200 as well on the kt7m2. I am on my 4th one and the first one was actually the best. They keep getting worse.Quote:
Originally posted by Player0
It's my beleif that the HD corruption is caused by a PCI timing issue at 200mhz and above. Some people don't experience the issue, but I think the timing problem is still there. I'd recommend staying at something like 198mhz, as I dont beleive the timing issue exists below 200.
I dont know. Even if HD corruption doent occur till like 210mhz, the issue beihind the corruption is still some incorrect timing register somewhere. And, it may even cause subtle corruption of data here and there, even if symptoms dont seem to exist.
Until these boards and BIOS mature, and we know the long term effects of running the boards over 200mhz, if you have data on your drives which you dont want to loose, id stay under :) But, if you dont see corruption right away, the risk is probably low and you may not get the corruption (it seems to mostly be an all or nothing deal).
Well now thats just depressing ;)
It's hard to be certain on when the corruption issue occurs. I've had 3 KD7 mobos run through my hands now, and not one of them had the problem at 200mhz or under. The worst one is my own personal board which has a problem at 202 or above. The other two were for friends and they had no corruption issues until the 207-210 range. Although there are no guauantees, odds are you will have no troubles if you stay at 200 or below.Quote:
Originally posted by nelamvr6
That's an EXCELLENT review! It was extremely informative and well written. I was especially pleased to find that the KD7 had no problems running synchronously with the ram at FSB 200.
You say that the HDD corruption occurred at FSB's higher than 200, can I safely infer that the likelihood of problems happening is small if I stay at 200? Did it occur on the raid as well as the standard IDE channels?
The corruption happens on both the Highpoint and regular IDE channels. I agree with Player0 in that it seems like a PCI bus problem.
Mike:)
My kudo's to you also on another excellent review on your part. I believe this is the first time I have not played with a next gen board at introduction, but I have a feeling updated versions may be around the corner. I have only one suggestion to those concerned with HD corruption: Bypass the raid version, purchase the KD7 and get yourself a PCI Promise ATA133 or Raid controller. It is obvious that the native IDE and Highpoint controllers are suffering this issue equally, the Promise controllers will function on up to a 66Mhz PCI bus so you could safely go well beyond 200Mhz FSB and not corrupt your drives:)
Randi:D
Has anyone had any problems with 9700Pros and the KD7? I cant do over 185FSB with out the ati driver going crazy and causing lockups... I've tried OPPs ram timings and all the other combos i can think of and still no go. Do you think its the AGP8X? is there anyway to disable that? Btw, I've seen everyone having problems over 200Mhz, but what about below that? Its funny cause the computer boots fine, and WinXp runs fine until i install the ati driver.. :(
THanks
slayher
Randi:
Thanks for the kind words my friend :) (And kudos to you for the best Prometeia review on the net :) ) BTW, good suggestion about the HD corruption. That would certainly seem like a good way to beat that problem.
Slayer:
Be aware that the Radeon 9700 just doesn't like high FSB speeds. Some have gotten the card to run higher by disabling a few options in the BIOS (enhanced AGP performance, fastwrites)...but overall, most users have run into problems overclocking the FSB very far (which in turns overclocks the AGP bus).
Originally posted by MrIcee
I have only one suggestion to those concerned with HD corruption: Bypass the raid version, purchase the KD7 and get yourself a PCI Promise ATA133 or Raid controller. It is obvious that the native IDE and Highpoint controllers are suffering this issue equally, the Promise controllers will function on up to a 66Mhz PCI bus so you could safely go well beyond 200Mhz FSB and not corrupt your drives:)
Randi:D
Well I'm already working with the raid board so its a little late to bypass it. But the good news is I haven't had problem one. I'm at 200 FSB x 11 and so far so good. I should be able to make it at least to 2300, but I'm not sure how much farther since I'm on air.
you really couldnt get above 170 on your at7? i have the same problems, what memory did you have and the timings?Quote:
Originally posted by emtp563
That's exactly what I'm saying. With the AT7, I was only able to get barely 2300Mhz. Plus, anything over 170FSB was a no-go, and yes, that's with the 1/5 divider. On the KD7, I'm running 2400Mhz. On the KX7-333, 2500Mhz was no sweat at all @ 1.93v. I can run 2550Mhz on the KD7, but it is nowhere near stable. I'm not willing to use any vcore higher than 1.95V, as my Vapo is at it's limit.
thanks
slayher,
Try the latest ATI driver, it will run your card at 4x mode in windows.
OPP
OP:
Have you had the opportunity to try out the AGOIA "Z" yet?
Ran Prime at 1950, chip needs alot of voltage after 1800Mhz. At 1950 it took 2.08. Had trouble running prime any higher.
OPP
So Opp, the dude, etc..
id the Kd7 worth it after all this testing?
i think i have someone that would buy my at7, if so then ill have to buy a new mobo.
I haven't really put mine thru its paces yet like OPP has...my Prom will be here soon. Right now...I guess I like it about the same as my modded KX7. My AT7 never really did all that great for me. I like the KD7 enough that it will become my main rig and go in my Prom with a watercooled KX7 as backup.:D OPP can tell you more performance wise I'm sure.
well i like all the features the at7 has, so im only selling it to get a better board that i have have to mod. and im not sure if its worth selling my at7 and buying a mobo that wont be that much faster. so i just deside.Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
I haven't really put mine thru its paces yet like OPP has...my Prom will be here soon. Right now...I guess I like it about the same as my modded KX7. My AT7 never really did all that great for me. I like the KD7 enough that it will become my main rig and go in my Prom with a watercooled KX7 as backup.:D OPP can tell you more performance wise I'm sure.
i heard in this thread someone had a prob getting fsb higher then 170, i currpurted at 173. so i was thinking of buying better memory, but then i might be wasting it if they board wont do anything more then 170. so i dunno. im allready gonna buy a new gf4, so i guess ill just work on a better monitor or something for the time being.
This mobo is definitlly not limited to 170, 200 is no problem with the right memory, I've tryed Mushkin 3000, Geil 3500, and Corsair 3200 C2, all of them did 200. Both the Geil and the Mushkin where alittle tougher to dial in but once I had the timings right they handled. A radeon with this mobo is a gamble, it seems the people that can't do 200 have radeons holding them back. Mine can handle on the other hand. I like the board and had it at 200 the first day. It was the mobo used to get the highest 3D mark 2001 benchmark for AMD up at the Orb, 18760 or somthing.
OPP
can you run cpu command decode set to "fast"? My At7MAx2 doesn't let me.... even at 166MhzQuote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
This mobo is definitlly not limited to 170, 200 is no problem with the right memory, I've tryed Mushkin 3000, Geil 3500, and Corsair 3200 C2, all of them did 200. Both the Geil and the Mushkin where alittle tougher to dial in but once I had the timings right they handled. A radeon with this mobo is a gamble, it seems the people that can't do 200 have radeons holding them back. Mine can handle on the other hand. I like the board and had it at 200 the first day. It was the mobo used to get the highest 3D mark 2001 benchmark for AMD up at the Orb, 18760 or somthing.
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Nope,
I turn it to normal when I go to the 5-2-1 divider.
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Same here... at Fast can't get past 170-ish fsb.
it's not good as it reduces cpu bandwith. Kx7 is another story, much better bandwith in my opinion and the possibility to increase it with wpcredit settings
It all depends on how much the the KD7 will acually do with normal. Think of it this way, the KX7 has a Ultra setting that can't go very high so you use Fast. Well the KD7 doesn't have Ultra, what if the KD7's Fast is just like the Ultra with the KX7, then the normal on the KD7 would be like the Fast on the KX7:D This could be very possible. The only way to tell would be to bench them straight against each other before we jump to the conclusion that the KD7 normal is slower then the KX7 Fast.Quote:
Originally posted by Iolao
it's not good as it reduces cpu bandwith. Kx7 is another story, much better bandwith in my opinion and the possibility to increase it with wpcredit settings
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well I know Sandra is not so good but it shows a great performance loss because of normal command cpu decode. I had a kx7-333 and I could make at 195Mhz aggressive timings someting like 96% 91% in bandwith efficiency (wpcredit tweaked). With Abit AT7MAX2 I just have 95% 89% same settings (apart 2-6-2 vs. 2-5-2 on kx7) same cpu speed..... it doesn't seem to be good IMHO.
Try 2-6-2 on the KX7
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I'm solding my AT7MAX2 to reget a kx7 and I'll post some bench comparisons :)
Yea I think your loss is from not haveing the '5' more then CPU Decode.
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Me too, I'm getting rid of my AT7-MAX2 and KD7. I'm putting my trusty old KX7 back in the Vapo-Li.
Now I'll have to get a KX7 just to see the difference, can they take 2600 chips?? If so do they have to be unlocked in anyway??
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Abit says that with the new kx7b6 bios the KX will work with a 2400 and 2600+
Thanks guys, I am running both of these boards and this thread contains some really good info!:D
Well, I spoke too soon.Quote:
Well I'm already working with the raid board so its a little late to bypass it. But the good news is I haven't had problem one. I'm at 200 FSB x 11 and so far so good. I should be able to make it at least to 2300, but I'm not sure how much farther since I'm on air.
The KD7 was great.
For a couple of hours.
It developed some sort of power problem and died. No power most times, occasionally lights would come on for a few seconds, then go off. I checked all the connections, everything was good. I checked voltages out of mu PSU and they were good too. But the old mobo back in and everything worked.
Now I have to RMA the KD7.
But should I try another KD7 or try my luck with another brand? A lot of people both here and elsewhere have had problems with the KD7.
I've been looking at the Asus A7V8X and the MSI KT4 Ultra.
What do you guys think?
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Originally posted by nelamvr6
Well, I spoke too soon.
The KD7 was great.
For a couple of hours.
It developed some sort of power problem and died. No power most times, occasionally lights would come on for a few seconds, then go off. I checked all the connections, everything was good. I checked voltages out of mu PSU and they were good too. But the old mobo back in and everything worked.
Now I have to RMA the KD7.
But should I try another KD7 or try my luck with another brand? A lot of people both here and elsewhere have had problems with the KD7.
I've been looking at the Asus A7V8X and the MSI KT4 Ultra.
What do you guys think?
is your kd7 red or yellow?
It was yellow.Quote:
Originally posted by Dissolved
is your kd7 red or yellow?
You Said it. You can just slap the thing in, and GO!Quote:
[i] glad Abit figuerd out the multiplier thing, it's great:D
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The Voltages to 2.15, and Mem @ 3.25 is Sweet too!
I just wish I could get better Memory performance with it.... As Of now FSB for FSB The KX performs better for me....
I That's with the AIRGA XP2200 I bought for it... I hope everything works better with the XP2400 That's coming tomorrow.
Royd
well newegg showd the kd7 (no raid verison red, maybe Abit re-did the kd7?Quote:
Originally posted by nelamvr6
It was yellow.
was yours raid or non-raid?