Correction! 1.25-1.4 with 1.55 max....Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
The spec is 1.35v.
1.6v is a LOT for a .09u processor.
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Correction! 1.25-1.4 with 1.55 max....Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
The spec is 1.35v.
1.6v is a LOT for a .09u processor.
It's not 1.2v, that was the original spec but Intel increased it because they were not achieving the results they had hoped for.
It runs stock at 1.3xxv something.
I agree. I was just quoting the spec so anyone reading could understand what Intel had to do. Like you said, they had to increase the default Vcore due to the silicon straining process wasn't as good as they had planned. lets hope their revised core will lower the Vcore back down to 1.25, which should produce less heat.
WAY TO GO CHARLIE......... :toast: :DQuote:
Originally posted by charlie
So any ideas about the 5:4 issue?? It boots into Windows fine, runs Sandra's, etc. But open 3Dmark and push "Benchmark" and insta- BLACKSCREEN
You think it's worth it to mod the IC7 or should I just grab a P4C800-E???????
C
You MUST mod the Vagp in case to run 5:4..... ;)
Charlie,
What does the shot/epoxy in the tube do exactly? And what type of epoxy do you use?
I imagine there is a thread here someone can point me to.
I'd like to maybe :banana::banana::banana::banana: around with my old P4PE ;)
Charlie just stick with the fx-51 my brotha or wait for the fx-53 :)
bad 5:4 rep??Quote:
maybe try a P4C800 later (although it has bad rep for 5:4 too
Every asus i865/875 I've tried has done 305 5:4 minium 3d stable :D
P4P800 up to 327 5:4 3Dstable. P4C 313 5:4 3D stable. both without Vagp mod.
Well you see my DI tube is quite ghetto... :DQuote:
Originally posted by nailbomb
Charlie,
What does the shot/epoxy in the tube do exactly? And what type of epoxy do you use?
I imagine there is a thread here someone can point me to.
I'd like to maybe :banana::banana::banana::banana: around with my old P4PE ;)
Since I didn't build it with a thick enough base, it has big temp fluctuations. So i mixed up some "60 second" 2 part epoxy, mixed in BB's and dumped about 1cm into the tube...so now it's like I've got a thick base and the temps stay more stable, albeit nowhere near as stable as phase change.
C
Just a little comparision:
I am using a barton 2500+@2200mhz,1:1,adata 8-3-3-2.5,daily use overloaded windows,cat 4.2,dx 9.0b,xp;410/385(needed to downclock from 439 which is 100% clean even with aa and af due to my current psu which doesnt have the enough power and downvolts the gpu,because of this,nature has a few artifacts)
Good to hear, Macci...Quote:
Originally posted by macci
bad 5:4 rep??
Every asus i865/875 I've tried has done 305 5:4 minium 3d stable :D
P4P800 up to 327 5:4 3Dstable. P4C 313 5:4 3D stable. both without Vagp mod.
I just read a thread yesterday that was talking about a lid of 285?? Why do you think the P4P800's are OC'ing so HIGH??
I know my prob is the mobo...
I can go to 4600 at 1.63V pretty easily and then voltage all the way to 1.75V doesn't give me 1 more mHz. I ran a 3DMark benchie at 4417 and completed all tests then when Nature ended it gave me a "Futuremark error in Windows XP box" with no score. I was almost out of DI and turned off the rig to let the temps drop and attempted another 4635 with the di base measuring >-50C. Fired it up straight into WinXP with clockgen and it wouldn't hold. I've used this method before for the "fast screenie" but no luck here...still think i'm bottlenecked by the mobo.
Macci, are those numbers "out of the box"?? 300+ 3D out of the box?? Hmmm.....
Macci, let's just say (pretend) that the CPU will run 3D on a P4P at 310 (4650mhz) @ 248 memory speed 2-2-2-5, how do you think it may compare to a 3.2C NW at 16 x 265 1:1, 4240....
Do the 400mHz make up for the divider?
And as for P4P800, deluxe or non-deluxe?? And what config/BIOS would work + Prescott?
thanks!
C
Quote:
Originally posted by macci
bad 5:4 rep??
Every asus i865/875 I've tried has done 305 5:4 minium 3d stable :D
P4P800 up to 327 5:4 3Dstable. P4C 313 5:4 3D stable. both without Vagp mod.
I found the same thing, on all the P4C800s I had, but I got in a P4C800 in this week which will lock up in 3D at anything above 285 5:4
Must be a rare example ;)
Is that oldskool epoxy? No special metal one? And just mix with some copper?Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
Well you see my DI tube is quite ghetto... :D
Since I didn't build it with a thick enough base, it has big temp fluctuations. So i mixed up some "60 second" 2 part epoxy, mixed in BB's and dumped about 1cm into the tube...
Macci, since I'll be dicking around with some dryice (God, please let it go ok this time :)). I have a P4P800 full mods right here and a P4C800 full mods coming, what do you recommend? I was thinking to mod the P4P800 to run PAT @ 1:1 (Bigtoe's mod), or isn't that worth it?Quote:
bad 5:4 rep??
Every asus i865/875 I've tried has done 305 5:4 minium 3d stable
P4P800 up to 327 5:4 3Dstable. P4C 313 5:4 3D stable. both without Vagp mod. :D
I'm gonna cool that NB good, but do you think it needs subzero cooling, or will a fan directed to that be sufficient? ;)
I'll be using FUGGER's FX5950U with a Prommie hooked to it (I'm not in the mood to dry-ice that one too ;))
Hm my 2.4 + P4P will run at 286, but 3:2 because of RAM limitation. Max RAM speed of 225 2-3-2-5 or 220 2-2-2-5 (no vdimm mod, 2.85v).Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
I found the same thing, on all the P4C800s I had, but I got in a P4C800 in this week which will lock up in 3D at anything above 285 5:4
Must be a rare example ;)
I got it last summer. At 286 I hit CPU limitation (screenshot 292, dies at 295).
At least in my case its not my board.
C, right upper corner, you seem to be missing 2 parts there?Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
Tritium,
Yeah, I know...
Think of it as just a different stepping on a Northwood... cheap, too.
all,
BTW, i just mangled my GEIL heatspreaders to get them off...hope the sticks are oK...maybe it'd be easier to heat them up first in the oven to make the sticky stuff softer?????
Remarked of course... at least there aren't any belt-sander marks ala ***
C
ctgilles,
wow, great eyes....you know I don't think i did that taking the HS off... maybe though :D
I guess RMA is out of the question :rolleyes:
C
Hi Charlie, I have the same CPU as you (3.0 ES) and the P4C800-E Rev. 2.0.Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
So any ideas about the 5:4 issue?? It boots into Windows fine, runs Sandra's, etc. But open 3Dmark and push "Benchmark" and insta- BLACKSCREEN
You think it's worth it to mod the IC7 or should I just grab a P4C800-E???????
C
It’s very curious.
I’m just tested a little with air cooling, because of the lack of resources and time.
I figured out, or better said it is only a feeling that has to be approved, that the board crashes above 260 FSB and 5:4 ratio.
- I’m sure it isn’t the memory, because it did well in other constellations
- The Board is usually able to run higher FSB; I had up to FSB 300 and above before.
- With 1:1 and 3:2 it doesn’t crash.
- With Northwood and the same setup – no problem at all
Maybe it is the power consumption of the Prescott or a problem in relation to the Canterwood/Springdale chipset. Who knows?
Stylist2002
Maybe because on AIR, it just can't OC past 14 x 260 = 3640mHzQuote:
Originally posted by Stylist
Hi Charlie, I have the same CPU as you (3.0 ES) and the P4C800-E Rev. 2.0.
It’s very curious.
I’m just tested a little with air cooling, because of the lack of resources and time.
I figured out, or better said it is only a feeling that has to be approved, that the board crashes above 260 FSB and 5:4 ratio.
- I’m sure it isn’t the memory, because it did well in other constellations
- The Board is usually able to run higher FSB; I had up to FSB 300 and above before.
- With 1:1 and 3:2 it doesn’t crash.
- With Northwood and the same setup – no problem at all
Maybe it is the power consumption of the Prescott or a problem in relation to the Canterwood/Springdale chipset. Who knows?
Stylist2002
That'd make sense...
I've been seeing that on a lot of heatspreadered XMS BH-5 BH-6 sticks lately :(Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
ctgilles,
wow, great eyes....you know I don't think i did that taking the HS off... maybe though :D
I guess RMA is out of the question :rolleyes:
C
Did the same thing to Rdram. I drilled the rivets out and it had a thin layer of tape btwn the silicon modules and heat speader. One stick survived the operation the other worked just barely so it made the board unstable since it was 16 bit Rdram...Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
ctgilles,
wow, great eyes....you know I don't think i did that taking the HS off... maybe though :D
I guess RMA is out of the question :rolleyes:
C
I really wish they didn't put the spreaders on since I use a fan to cool my memory sticks...
Familiar condensation protection ;) Nice clocks charlieQuote:
Originally posted by charlie
waiting on the launchpad
Hey charlie try raising your agp/pci lock. On mine I have to raise it to 70/35 to not get those black screens. Iam running at 320 fsb and the 5/4 is useless. I think its the chipset's fault. Iam about to order a 3.0e I'll be happy with anything better than 4ghz.
thanks guys...
will try 70/35 in the future...
Wolfgang, running at 320, which mobo? If IC7 which mods??
C
Stylist! Welcome to XtremeSystems!
Can't Believe no one has welcomed you!:D
IC7 max3 no mods I did the agp but my vr keeps crappin out. I thought I might get some 5/4 action, but thats hopeless. I removed the mod in bios it says 1.61. I can run up to 335 then the 3/2 divider starts to go. Well, I think it starts going around 330 need some ddr700. You'll need bigtoe's bios use spread spec. when you get cpu errors at high fsb. On the agp/pci lock IMO it depends on what vc you are running. I have a 9600p and need 70 for over 310. The 9000 I had needed 75 for 300fsb. The first thing to go is the sata on pci the raid controler is fine. Sound goes at 37mhz.
BigToes BIOS for Prescott????? Link?
C
Thanks!Quote:
Originally posted by shray
Stylist! Welcome to XtremeSystems!
Can't Believe no one has welcomed you!:D
I couldn't believe it, too ;).
Hey man Welcome to the Sickness
Hmm, I was thinking that bios 13 had prescott support. It looks like we need a new bios. What bios has prescott support and I'll try to unhide the hidden stuff.
I'm on Prescott IC7 BIOS 21
C
Any "hidden" features in BIOS21 for IC7????Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
I'm on Prescott IC7 BIOS 21
C
Didnt happen to consume some of that dry ice did you charlie? heh 8-)
yea... did you just quote and ask yourself a question? :stick:
I MEANT to quote/ask Wolfgang :D :D
:toast:
Friday night!!!!!!!!!
C
C., do you have a name and brand for that red goo condesation protector? The red is peelable, I have normal one, but it's a layer, and no way it's coming off :( :D
TIA
here it is
Star Brite liquid electrical tape
started my ic7 mods, and simplified the Vdimm mod a bit :D
epoxied the VR on top of a mosfet, and soldered the legs to the R50 pads...easy. I must say the BIGGEST and SMARTEST thing I've done for mods is to buy a new 25W needlepoint tip for my soldering iron. It makes this stuff EASY! Now on to Vtt and Vagp
works fine but in BIOS and HW doctor I notice voltage jumping around, 3.10, 3.09, 3.15, 3.12, 3.07, 3.14.......
Plus my 5:4 is still lmited at a yucky 272mHz...
However, with my BH-6 I can go 1:1 at 245.
C
coooool, got a pic of your soldering iron?
It's just a RadioSHack 25W soldering iron with THIS tip:
RadioShack 64-2073
You shouldn't have simplified this that way... That's why you get fluctuationQuote:
Originally posted by charlie
works fine but in BIOS and HW doctor I notice voltage jumping around, 3.10, 3.09, 3.15, 3.12, 3.07, 3.14.......
You have to use a 10 Ohm fixed resistor plus the vr, for a stable voltage over 3v. Hipro wrote it in the IC7 Vdimm-mod thread, if i remeber correctlyQuote:
Originally posted by charlie
works fine but in BIOS and HW doctor I notice voltage jumping around, 3.10, 3.09, 3.15, 3.12, 3.07, 3.14.......
Plus my 5:4 is still lmited at a yucky 272mHz...
However, with my BH-6 I can go 1:1 at 245.
C
Hey charlie whats your 3.3 rail at? I need 3.5 to run 3.2 vdimm. Thats the non max3 you have?
OK...I should be able to add the 10 ohm pretty easilyQuote:
Originally posted by cold_ice
You have to use a 10 Ohm fixed resistor plus the vr, for a stable voltage over 3v. Hipro wrote it in the IC7 Vdimm-mod thread, if i remeber correctly
can I just add it "in paralell"
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PSU 3.35 DDR @ 3.18Quote:
Originally posted by wolfgang
Hey charlie whats your 3.3 rail at? I need 3.5 to run 3.2 vdimm. Thats the non max3 you have?
The pic from the Thread:
Works fine on my IC7
exactly what I was thinking!! cuz I don't know where to find those SMD resistors...
C
You can use normal resistors as well, thats no problem
@ charlie
I figured out, that my ASUS P4C800-E will not boot above 1.6VCore.
It seems to be a kind of regulation by ASUS.
And my board are undervolting with the Prescott.
So i am never above 1.525VCore.
Together with the Voltage fluctuation "made by ASUS" (drop down up to 0.125VCore) I maxed out at approximately 3.6GHz with air cooling.
@ all
Some one else interested in getting a 3.0E ES?
Stylist
Have you actually measure your Vcore with DVM? You should if you haven't already. Don't rely on the Hardware Monitor to accurately report your TRUE Vcore. That is a misnomer!
do the droop, its easy;).
And no, im not interest, they look very poor in what i need for
Hi,
can you tell me the measure points (pictures).
Thanks in advance,
Stylist
Quote:
Originally posted by Ace-a-Rue
Have you actually measure your Vcore with DVM? You should if you haven't already. Don't rely on the Hardware Monitor to accurately report your TRUE Vcore. That is a misnomer!
Thought you were gonna sell it @ Ebay? ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Stylist
@ charlie
I figured out, that my ASUS P4C800-E will not boot above 1.6VCore.
It seems to be a kind of regulation by ASUS.
And my board are undervolting with the Prescott.
So i am never above 1.525VCore.
Together with the Voltage fluctuation "made by ASUS" (drop down up to 0.125VCore) I maxed out at approximately 3.6GHz with air cooling.
@ all
Some one else interested in getting a 3.0E ES?
Stylist
The P4C800-E overvolts pretty heavy up to 1.60V. Then, strangely, from 1.625V, it starts to undervolt.
Here's how it's reading voltages (BIOS) :
1.525V : 1.536-1.552V
1.550V : 1.552-1.568V
1.575V : 1.568-1.584V
1.600V : 1.600-1.616V
1.625V : 1.55V
1.650V : 1.58V
1.675V : 1.600-1.616V
1.700V : 1.616-1.632V
1.725V : 1.648-1.664V
1.750V : 1.680-1.696V
1.775V : 1.712-1.728V
1.800V : 1.744V
BTW : Welcome to Xtreme. :toast:
Are those Hardware Monitor reading or did you measure it with a DVM at the Mosfet or Vcore coil???Quote:
Originally posted by Jupiler
Thought you were gonna sell it @ Ebay? ;)
The P4C800-E overvolts pretty heavy up to 1.60V. Then, strangely, from 1.625V, it starts to undervolt.
Here's how it's reading voltages (BIOS) :
1.525V : 1.536-1.552V
1.550V : 1.552-1.568V
1.575V : 1.568-1.584V
1.600V : 1.600-1.616V
1.625V : 1.55V
1.650V : 1.58V
1.675V : 1.600-1.616V
1.700V : 1.616-1.632V
1.725V : 1.648-1.664V
1.750V : 1.680-1.696V
1.775V : 1.712-1.728V
1.800V : 1.744V
BTW : Welcome to Xtreme. :toast:
This is a typical Asus board not exact for location of Vcore coils but looking at the pic you'll understand what I am talking about. I use a SMD grabber with wire attached. You can cap it when not in use. This way you can check it anytime when you want to know what the Vcore is doing during any phase of operation....Quote:
Originally posted by Stylist
Hi,
can you tell me the measure points (pictures).
Thanks in advance,
Stylist
Just clip the SMD feet around the base leg of that Vcore coil.
Ace :
that's what the BIOS reports. Didn't know where to read the real VCore.
The bios and windows Hardware Monitor is not accurate at all.
Well,
Now that I followed HIPRO5's Vdimm mod exactly as stated, I have rock solid Vdimm up to my PSU 3.35V...
Npw onto VTT and Vagp.
C
good, i think to do the vddr mod for my ic7 but with a 450 ohm fixed resistor... i've 3,3V line modded @ 3,6V... will I be able to archive 3,4Vdimm stable?