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Wow talk about upping the ante. Just when i was extremely impressed with AMD for getting back in the game (still am), nVidia go and do this, sheer arrogance yet utterly impressive. The Special edition sounds sick, exciting times.
Question (to lazy to search it out): When is Maxwell coming out, i mean the higher end cards?
Just do not want to spend 1000 on a special edition and in March/April a high -end Maxwell comes.
GTX 780 Ti black edition......tastes so good make you want to slap your mama!:D
I'm curious on high-end 20nm Maxwell myself... I'm very tempted to go for a 780 Ti... I've seen info from early-mid 2014 to late Q3/mid-Q4 as timeframes for 20nm though :(.
Do not forget the cost of manufacturing became very scary:(Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
By the way this chart developed by the company Cadence using EDA software to compare the accuracy of manufacturing investments 32/28nm and 22/20nm,
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Good point as well thalastmeal. I almost forgot about that.... Now to decide, 780 or ti....
thx mateQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
I think GTX 780Ti will have a High potential overclock as we have heard, so my opinion Wait until the review come out soon, then decided what youwant to buy.:)
Makes you wonder why they even called the Titan that name to begin with.
-PB
Because it was named after the super computer it was powering
[XC] Oj101,
does Nvidia allow 6 GB for the normal 780 Ti (and custom versions of it) or only for the 780 Ti Black Edition?
First we had the 290x and now this beast. What a great run up to Xmas. Decisions, decisions
Wonder when we see official review of this and price on new egg.
I wait to see how mantle performs and than decide...what I know is that I really like this price war.
Also a vanilla 780 for the new price could be very good :)
Yeah its all damn great.I have a feeling R290 can be a value king, If the early results are real.With all this going on, i would strongly suggest holding on to end of november at least, theres a high probability AMD will even get lower with R290X after the 780 price cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubZero.it
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-891408-1-1.html
Leaked performance of gtx 780 ti.
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About 15 percent better than a 290x and titan. Very similar performance to a gtx 690. It performs similar to a 290x at 4k.
Just looking at google translate and I am read the person mentioning 34% over standard boost clock is possible so 1244mhz which lines up with the currently leaked info. Depending on the voltage this might be impressive or just so so.
Depending on how real these leaks are and if the gtx black lines up being about 10 or so percent faster from the increase clocks(11% faster clocks), they could almost be in almost the same position as prior to 290x launch.
However, AMD could still counter with an overclocked 290x from partners.
I think the gtx 780 ti should take the comfortably the performance crown.
and consumes even more power then the 290X... wonder what people say now about that. ;)
It depends on how much more and the testing methodology. If we are getting 80 extra watts over a gtx titan for 15 percent more speed(what it would take for it to consume more than a 290x), Nvidia seriously let people down by giving people A1 steppings. A respin and binning should get people 15% more performance without efficiency going out the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
If its more or less the same as 290x, with 15% more performance and being quieter, I think its acceptable because basically we are getting gtx 690 performance in around the same power envelope. Nvidia stressed that this card is quiet, so I don't expect a big increase in noise over its other cards. One more thing is I wouldn't want the cards to run at 95C. Nvidia has been about balance and finesse this generation with little weakpoints aside from cost.
but thats not what the graphs show... its more/same power consumption as 690 with less performance then a 690.
Anyway I wait for reviews from the usual sources where they actually give details about configurations and testing methods.
Those power consumption numbers are weird and I don't talk about 780Ti numbers but the others are already known and they don't look like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
In this leak, Titan consumes moar power than 290X. We all know that's not true.
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Originally Posted by tajoh111
she's giving it all she's got
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Originally Posted by Hornet331
Your right, those titan numbers seem off. I don't remember seeing a single review where titan consumed the same power as a 290x, let alone instances where it consumes more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
I remember pendent1 saying something about this possibly a1 stepping though and if it does use the same chip with more volts, its a lazy move.
And it will be just like the 7970 ghz launch. Where the general consensus that its a so so product, has the performance, but just adding voltage and expecting the cooler to pick up the rest of the slack is lazy. Your better off buying its not overclocked siblings and overclocking the card yourself and not paying the overclocking fee.
But unfortunately, people don't have the choice like the 7970 ghz. gtx 780 has such a big compromises when it so disabled and titan is likely being discontinued and is super expensive.
I would not get a gtx 780 ti until I get b1 or b2 stepping.
If the extra overclocking headroom is just because Nvidia gave us more voltage than the gtx titan. In addition if they are using a1 stepping, they should have been able to give this product to us months ago. The same time as the gtx 780 launch.
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they have put out to many fakes in the past to believe anything now :down:
if we ignore the benchmarks tests what i see is at 4k 1 win for 290x 1 win for 780ti and a draw. But when the resolution goes down 780ti opens the gap. somebody here (forgot who) predicted this.
Note that videocardz.com say the 780 Ti is overclocked. That might explain the high power draw. But then the performance would be meh.
ha ha ha ha, it consumer less then 290x and is cooler :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
and yes, that performance is correct. in 20 games at 2560x1600, it is from 2 to 45 percents above 290x uber mode. average performance is 13 percents above uber moded radeon :)
default perf it is not last thing, we have here new feature for overclocking, and better consistent fps.
Hm, but that implies that it consumes more power than Titan. I had hoped it would consume the same amount but at higher performance.
i have not measured titan here, but can be true. Full core + higher Clock = more then titan, but for sure IT IS lower then 290X in all scenarios
I think the performance in those graphics are not really overclocked in the sense as they were hitting numbers like 990 boost to 1068 boost. I think like the old generation, the card never really stays under 928 boost and goes well beyond it. Titan regularly hit 990mhz in reviews for boosting which is 115mh above its boost clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
In short benchmarks yes. Under longer load rather not. Then all Nvidia boost 2.0 cards clock down significantly towards base clock because they hit 80C and stay there - unless you increase the temperature target.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
The 780ti needs more video memory for 4k gaming. There's rumors of a 12gb version... is that even possible?
Yeah that true. But then again, at least against the competition, the 290x, the results should still be pretty similar because the 290x gets a similar boost from short bench sessions.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
It needs more ROP than memory with 4k because of the number of pixels on the screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by vitchilo
What AMD did by giving every reviewer that mattered a 4k monitor is genius. Its a trojan horse. Of course reviewers are going to accept a free 4k monitor if all they have to do is test at 4k. But ultimately, the results are irrelevant as the monitors are too expensive for the next few years and it serves to make AMD cards look dominant by pushing a bottleneck in Nvidia cards. I haven't seen a single gamer put into their signature owning a 4k monitor yet from the reviews, its seems like just a common a resolution as 2560*1440. Heck i think I have seen a review that tested at 1080p and 4k but miss 2560. I don't think 4k will become mainstream for at least 4 years, 3500 for a 4k monitors is much too steep and costs more than 99 percent of the computers, even on a hardware website.
This "getwinder" user is not trustworthy, I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
Agreed. Boost 2.0/Powertune Next makes benchmarking a very unreliable undertaking unless one takes care that realistic conditions are met. Unfortunately, most reviewers still don't have that figured out :(Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
I think clock for clock comparisons should be more interesting in the future. From there one could extrapolate the performance at different varying clock speeds for both cards.
At $700 per GPU, Nvidia more than likely has an ace up their sleeve. Surely they can't be that dumb to price a GPU at $700 that's only 5-10% better than the GTX Titan? I'm hoping for 15 to 20% or better.
Sure they can, it's Nvidia ;)
But you have to think of it this way since Titan was so overpriced because of the DP capabilities:
GTX 780: 649$ and 100% performance
GTX 780 Ti: $700 and 120% performance
That doesn't sound too bad.
I think this pricing only makes sense until AMD get's a bundle.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
I would value the bundle itself worth about 50 bucks at a minimum. Probably closer to 75. The only reason AMD survived in 2012 was the bundle saved their ass. I think what's going to let Nvidia over price the gtx 780 ti is the bundle. With no games included for the 290x(aside from the first 8k buyers), the gtx 780 is well priced against it, while the gtx 780 is priced a tad high against the 290x(Nvidia has been charging anywhere from 100-150 for a 10-15% difference for years).
I think the day gtx 780 ti comes out, AMD better get another bundle going. People will hop on the gtx 780 ti if there is still no stock for the 290x. The gtx 780 price cut with the bundle already took a lot of potential customers who desired the 290x value for the performance. A gtx 780 ti with bundle is going to take another bite of potential 290x customers who just want the most performance from a single GPU card as they can.
The bundle initially supported AMD when they were considered the inferior card(particularly early before the newer drivers boosted performance) in April 2012. It supporting Nvidia to an extent here too, but with the branding advantage, stock(this may be good or bad, but I can't see them doing anyworse than AMD stock issues), and a very competitive product, Nvidia is in a better position to counter AMD then AMD was ready to counter Nvidia back then. At least with the price range Nvidia was attacking.
The wild card is Mantle but that shows up in December, but it could really help AMD turn the tables on Nvidia.
Yeah, if I go for a 780 Ti I intend to just sell the bundled games, which should chop a nice chunk of change off of the card's price (~$75 give or take a little I think is the going rate at the moment). It's definitely a good advantage for NVidia right now.
Wonder why you are concerned with mainstream, when this are enthusiast cards. You also forget the same thing applies for multi monitor setups. It doesn't matter if you have one monitor with 3840?2160 or 2 1440p displays they are all in the range of 8 megapixel. Also already at 4 mega pixel most reviews show a lead of the 290x vs the titan and thats only one 1440p display which are quite affordable today.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Even the enthusiast don't have 4k monitors yet. 3500 dollars is a crap load to spend on monitors. In addition, someone that going to spend that much on a gaming monitor is best off getting multicards setups up anyway as a 290x can barely get things playable(plus why cheap out, you just spent 3500 on a monitor) and at that point the bottleneck put on the nvidia setup disappears. Two 1440 p monitors isn't really a resolution you see people use. multi monitor 2 monitors setups are stupid for gaming. Who wants a bezel in the center of their field of view. In general, 27" monitors are a poorer choice for multimonitor set up in general because their bezels are too big. In addition, to do a triple 27" monitor setup at at around 11mp, takes tremendous power and at that point your best getting one card for every screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Heck even 1080 eyefinity setup can be too stressful for a single 290x. I was just looking at techpowerup's review and anything recent beside grid 2(and the nvidia setup was also playable with this setup) didn't get playable frame rates.
2560*1440 only make up 2 percent of the monitors on steam hardware survey and that's with 27 imacs, 300 dollar korean monitors and the people who spend 700 on a dell or samsung. These are the people who already make up the enthusiast.
4k monitor setups are for the freakish enthusiast who spends a order of magnitude more than most people on setup like Vega. And those type of customers are the one in tens of thousands.
Why would they black out that information lol?
-PB
To protect their sources. Maybe you can track certain review samples by this information.
It has happened before.
Ahh thanks for that :)
-PB
Found this, also:
http://videocardz.com/47587/nvidia-g...ng-performance
Just like Amd bench marks, take off 10 percent for Nvidia. Nonetheless I have found Nvidia's are closer to the mark than AMDs. Both are still off. Cant see those grid 2 numbers being real so it could be a fake altogether. Looking at it, I can't see those numbers being true. This seems more like a fake than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by R101
I did not know what to expect of the results (I'm not a PC gamer/benchmarker), got to that page by looking for something else :), so sorry if those are fake..
Looks like its gonna come out ahead of 290x but meh @ nvidia
ATI beat titan @ 550$ they take longer and 700$ well they get the all important *FASTEST GPU IN THE UNIVERSE .... * title back.
Wonder if ATI is cooking something bigger for a jan-feb release. Loving this battle !! (Im gonna lose so much money :D)
Not bad but after buying a Titan, then a 780 Lightning, Im going to sit this step out.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
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ATI is dead, dude. It's AMD now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zloyd
Looks like the GTX 780 Ti could make for some juicy performance. Alas, we all must wait and see.
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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
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890 square feet?
Sweet Jeezuz!
-PB
Hahahah...can't believe this
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hey nvidia how bout you shove it up your arse :moon: where it belongs!
waited 2 freakin years for this 3gb pos