quick update about the Heat Sink for MCP35X2: I am expecting prototypes. Should be able to do some validation testing sometimes next week!
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quick update about the Heat Sink for MCP35X2: I am expecting prototypes. Should be able to do some validation testing sometimes next week!
I saw this question posted back on page 2, but didn't see it answered.
Will Swiftech be making a 140mm Radiator with a built in reservoir, to use in combination with the Apogee Drive II?
we might very well do this, we are working on 140mm radiators.
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Originally Posted by gabe
Speaking of which, can we fine tune that ETA? It is the end of March after all. It's been a very frustrating year waiting for these rads to come out guys, I'm begging you...pleeeease! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Time is coming fast - that means all will be known this week! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Is there any info about the swiftech helix fans? I want to use them in my new build :D!
A Helix in the wild? Personally I need about 11 for my build.
Quick question regarding Apogee Drive II - do those inlet and outlet rotate? Looks like they do, comparing two photos, with and without tubing and compression fittings...
yes they do. They're no true swivel though but you can lock them in three different positions.
That's brilliant, thanks Stephen!Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
That option will give a lot of freedom in very space restricted builds.
Any updates? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
I really would like to know how that heatsink would increase the total height of the Heatsink + pump + top combo :)
I'm doing some progress on my build and would be great to know it in first hand!
Would it be possible to use the heatsink as the "base" to fix the pumps to the floor or midplate for example?
Thanks :)
I approved the heatsinks on Friday. in terms of height they're precisely the same as the single MCP35X-HS.
It is compatible with a 80mm fan also, and shipped with the same vibration dampening system.
bump?!Quote:
Originally Posted by waterloggedQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
speaking of which, can we fine tune that eta? It is the end of march after all. It's been a very frustrating year waiting for these rads to come out guys, i'm begging you...pleeeease! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
"Soon. ;)"Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
any news on the apogee drive 2?
Production is almost done, we should be able to start shipping within 3 weeks.
Stephen, when does the dual bay reservoir come out?
Also, I have one mcp35x, I need to buy a second. Do I also need to buy the top to work with that reservoir, or does it come with it?
Maelstrom is compatible with 0,1 or 2 pumps. directly compatible with MCP35X and MCP35X2.
ETA is around 4-5 weeks at this time.
I get that, but in order to use 2 pumps, do I have to buy the 35x2 top?
Yes, of course.
Dsmn, that changes things, thatwill be 56.00 for the top, plus another 60 (I am guessing) for the reservior. That's 110, as opposed to a $50 solution from XSPC.
Well it's definitely a higher end solution: CNC front panel, lighting, LCD temperature monitor, compatible with 1 or 2 pumps, or none. It means folks with MCP35X and MCP35X2 will just need the reservoir. Comparable solutions (although, those are for 655's): DD mansoon: $135, Koolance 452X2: $135. but as usual we'll make sure it's priced right.
LOL! well, if the holes line up with these tool less PITA drive bays, that alone will be worth it!!
It fits the HAF932 just fine (tool less drives on one side, screw hole on the other).
Looking foward a Apogee Drive II, insane for a iTX build :D
You and me both...for a very long time now... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trox
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I'm assuming that the helix fans have been delayed further? Is there a new ETA? Too much longer and I'll have to bite the bullet and buy some gentle typhoons even though it kills me paying that much for fans...
we hope we'll be able to start shipping in 2 weeks! sorry for the delay.
Great, thanks. Do you have any performance data to share?
Few more questions from myself:DQuote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Will Apogee Drive II be available by the end of April?
Can you give us a price for it?
Hopefully some kit will be avabible with rad+red, apogee drive and helix fans :D
Can we have any update on these?Quote:
Originally Posted by phinix_mike
I guess next week would be the week when all the long awaiting stuff is going to be shipped? :shocked:
Is that correct?
Curious too.
Yes APD2 should be released next week.
Currently sitting with my money here waiting on a Drive II. Summer is killing my system. Gonna have to start underclocking.
YAY!!! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
...and 140mm rads?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
I need 3 - hope I can get my hands on them very soon, thanx for the update, Stephen :)Quote:
Yes APD2 should be released next week.
Three? What are you planning mate? I want to build some ITX rig with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBean
Does martin got a sample already? Would be nice to see an early review.
@waterlogged: Still working on it. I know you've been waiting long, just a little bit more patience.
APD2 sounds like AVP2 I like it :-)
http://shouldntbegaming.files.wordpr...dator_2_01.jpg
Heya Mate, one for my Sandybridge NAS, which is relocated from it's existing PQ-08 watercooled setup to the Fractal Array R2 case - need the APD-II tidy things up.Quote:
Three? What are you planning mate? I want to build some ITX rig with it.
The next two will be slightly modified and be fitted to my HP Blackbird dual-Xeon setup....need to remove existing dual Koolance pump-setup to make way for my Tape-backup drive....both projects in my signature.
I have everything ready for the NAS rebuild, just waiting on this new pump/block combo.
@ Gabe and Stephen - Please see my comment here, Post 77 :)
I am just as anxious to receive them as you guys are. I want to retrofit all my systems with'em, theyr'e that good! :D
Gabe = Teaser
:rofl:
GTX 680 4GB water blocks? GTX 780 water blocks? :)
Oh, I can't wait to get one of these... APD2:) Release week finally came!:clap:
Per the PDF for the APD2:
3. Unparalleled Reliability (redundant pumps).
Does this mean there are two pumps on top of that waterblock? Not sure where the redundancy comes from.
Only a single pump per block - I will have redundancy in my Blackbird setup though..
I guess if you can retrofit one of these to your gfx card now.....
What, you did't get the memo? there are two pumps stacked on top of each other in APD2. That's why we use the number 2 at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
J/K of course :ROTF:
Seriously now, this is a waterblock, right?
So, let's assume you are on the market for a waterblock.. it means you already have a loop setup including a pump, right?
Now, let's imagine you want to get the best waterblock money can buy, and you decide for APD2.
Install it in your system like any other waterblock, but now you have not one but two pumps => system redundancy.
A bit of a stretch lol but I see your point. Waiting for it to be available and ivy bridge.
So you already declared it to be the best eh? I hope so too. A nice and compact clean system. :-)
Thanks Gabe...are we talking a few weeks or 1+ months?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
...and more importantly, why am I the only one that seems interested in them? :shrug:
I'm sure there are more people waiting for them too.
However looks like majority is awaiting for new fantastic APD2 !!! :D
I would also like to get a single 140 for upgrading my loop. It should go great in my Corsair 700D on the divider between the PSU and MB compartments.
Any word on a release date for the MCP35X2 heatsinks?
Sorry, I'm not doing any more block reviews. I've got four more radiators and possibly one round of fans and then going into permanent testing retirement..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trox
I figure this last round of CPU blocks cost me over $1000 replacing test damaged hardware alone. I can't afford it!
Sad to know you'll be going for good :( Though if it's about money I think WC brands would finance you to keep on doing what you do so well ;) I wish you were just taking a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
In production. ~ 3 weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by jasper1975
Martin: out of curiosity - which & how hw got damaged in block test?
i7-2600k and/or 1155 MSI board, too many high pressure mounts...no post..nada. Not sure if it was the MB or processor that went south, but one or both were another testing donation I made.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Anyhow, back on topic. I am sure Stephen will share some sort of HD vs APD2 data at release to satisfy the performance questions.:up:
Generally, at this juncture it could cool like the ALC ECO block/pump I have here on the desk but actually have a functional mount system and I'd use it. My system is dying here. Alabama heat, stock cooling and a low airflow setup at the moment are destroying it.
Here's a more interesting question for Stephen/Gabe-can I put a pelt on the Drive II? I'm really interested in returning to ambient or thereabouts , and it's an issue of I can go to a purpose built pelt block and controller and have no idea where to put my pump or I can go with the Drive II and make a clean loop, but lose the lower temps. I'm already running a Delta 1100W PSU with plenty of headroom. If it came down to it I have room to drop a Meanwell in there. But are there any plans at the moment (I know Gabe was mentioning pelts again, so I thought I'd ask...)
You would need to do some modifications to the base plate (cold plate mounting holes), remove any and all features that give the base plate its convexity (box), relap the base plate flat. Base on its size you could go up to 50 mm sq TECs. Oh and you would need to use your own mounting screws.
I don't think it would make a lot of sense unless you are running a pretty low TDP CPU.
All right then. I just had to ask. Someone who apparently likes me sent me a link to a pelt based chiller. Should work much better along with giving me the freedom to use any block I want. Like the Drive II.
Any price idea about apogee drive II?
Ehh, sorry to stephen & gabe for hijacking thread with offtopic.
Martin: i recall once reading thread about trying to make cpu simulator. As in similar die size, similar heat dump, just that artificial heat source. I wonder if making it close enough is possible (including mounting sys). Of course, you retired a bit from testing (& big thanks for your enormous job done in it :up:), but if you ever feel like returning to testing in few years, imho it's worthy enough idea to explore in future (after all, you made yourself several DIY benching contraptions for testing other components). Making it modular might solve few things with it - replaceable heat source to simulate different core types, replaceable mounting sys - to solve mounting longetivity. Calibrating side by side with comparing to real cpu-s might help to tune it down closer to real ones, yet with lesser number of damaging mounts on actual cpus then in case of testing all the blocks on them ..
Hmm, noticed new helix fans @swiftech's page. Martin: if you ever get back to fan testing (i know, i know, retirement and such :)) - imho these might be interesting ones as well, with fan blades and max rpm so similar to GT AP-15's. Mentioned Z bearing probably is some kind of hydrodynamic bearing vs ball bearing @GT, who knows how it will compare, but helix fans have smaller motor size on their side.
Gabe/stephen: any plans for helix fans of 140mm size?
Can we have an update on APD2? Week almost ended, do you guys finally have your hands on those puppies?:)
Die Simulator is something I have always been very curious about building, but I've seen over and over again where it has simply failed to represent a CPU properly. I wish I could as it would be more controlled and avoid damaging hardware, but die simulators have no place in block testing reviews IMHO. The mechanical contact and heat signature of the actual processor is something you just can't simulate. I have seen myself where the 2600K vs 3930K results are completely different such that a die simulator just can't simulate well enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
I've been getting a lot of support for my efforts lately which is lifting my spirits quite a bit, so I will likely continue to do reviews but just at a much much slower "as supported" pace is all. I will probably be creating some sort of "what's next testing poll" for deciding where to go next. I want to return the favor to my supporters some how in making them part of the decision process in my future testing priorities.
If you guys really want to see the APD2 tested, let me know. I haven't had any requests for it on my site though from my supporters. I am interested in it myself, but that's not how I'm prioritizing my limited time and future reviews anymore. I have got to a support system and figure I have about 2 reviews worth built up.
The APD2 would certainly be a viable future review if that's what was decided.
Glad to hear that martinm, is very interesting seeing how different processors react to respective blocks, I would love to see differents CPU testes under same blocks, for example lets take de Apogee HD or the raystorm por example, and put it under differents plataforms.
In my country im very limited (WC does not exist here), but I would love to make it, put under test 2 blocks with CPU going from Presscott(I wont have any problem finding one of this :P) to Ivy for example, and most important of course the new plattaforms: SB, SB-e & IB.
I'm very exited about this, I will make some numbers to see if I can get this running for the sake of the community.
Cheers-
Bruno
@Martin - Definitely. Test it.
How best does a person lend support? I'd love to contribute!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
I've got my eye on the retail APD2 for when it comes out. I still have a few other rads and fans to test before opening up more work. Figured I'd start some sort of thread or page on my site to brainstorm future testing requests, then take a poll on it.
Looking forward to the Drive II release..what's not to like when you combine a 35x motor, HD block, heatsink, and an LED. That's a lot of premium goodness in one package..:)
There is a donate button on his webpage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endgame
I've got a MCP35X2 top coming for my two pumps. Something I read on OCN has me freaked a little, though. I plan on making sure my motherboard limits the output via PWM, but there's always that couple seconds at startup where the fans/pumps run at 12V before the motherboard posts. Even though I've run dual D5s at 100%, I'm paranoid I'm going to explode some fittings or tubing with as much power as that thing pushes.
If we didn't blow them out with Mag7s, I think that'll be OK. I remember those days. So much fun getting them into a PC case...
it depends on the motherboard, really. I've played with MSI/2600K not so long ago and even for the very first few seconds of boot, the motherboard does generate the right PWM output. Motherboards don't all do that, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by squick3n
I don't see how a MCP35X2, as powerful as it is, could explode anything. The worst thing that could happen is show you that one of the fitting or clamp wasn't tight enough (finger tighteners we know who you are ahaha j/k :P ).
8mH2O (max head pressure which you'll never reach in a flowing liquid cooling loop) only is about 11.5 PSI..
Thanks for putting my mind at ease. All my fittings are compression fittings so I'm pretty sure they'll hold.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
If you are taking requests, I'd also like to chime in for support for some 7/16-5/8 Lok-Seal Compression fittings
I dunno Stephen, my Sabertooth has improper PWM at boot as well. I dunno if it's a 1155 thing or just a coincidence, but my processor spikes a fever at boot and then PWM takes over and it's OK.
it really depends on the motherboards. having a fan or pump at full speed for 30s when booting isn't a huge deal and there isn't much of a fix other than setting up everything manually with a Fan controller.
I'm sure I can tinker with it in the ESA. It's still not like our old systems of pump relays, either. I just remind myself it could be so much worse...
I should be getting a sabertooth this week to verify this.
stay tuned
So Stephen,
Where can I order the ApogeeDrive II from? Available yet, or a few more days?
Stephen, when you test, mine doesn't start turning until right before loading windows. But, I'm using an nVidia ESA system to control everything, so it could be lag imparted there. If I unhook the system, the install goes wild, so I've just left it be (after it starts up, it's really great.) I've fired off a message to my buddy at ASUS to see if it's an implemented delay or it's something in my own system.
This must be on the Sabertooth Intel 1155 models because my Sabertooth FX990 does not do that once I set the fans to silent in the bios.
it's in transit currently. Should be another few more days.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBean
Do you know whent he Helix fans will be available in Europe and where I should look to buy them?
Price?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Send Bacata an email to know which resellers will carry the Helix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickel020
This will announced when the product is released.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Did so, my French still isn't actually all that bad, even though it badly needs practice ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Since you guys just got them in, when should I expect Bacata to get their first shipment?
Thanks!
Their shipment should be leaving within a few days.
Thanx Stephen, appreciated!
Will keep eyes peeled for this one - currently of to the cafe to buy a box of matches, should do the job nicely :rofl:
bump for Apogee Drive II!
Stephen, have they arrived? Have they?!!:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
are you impatient mate? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by phinix_mike
We all are.
How much patience are we talking here? 2-3 weeks or Duke Nukem Forever?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
...and as for the rest of the new products, maybe it's time someone from Swifty admit that the schedule was a little too. . .ambitious.
Not impatient. . .crackheads. . .and we need our respective fix's and we need them NOW!!!!!! :cussing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trox
I would normally tell Mike to keep his kilt on but, I know what he's going through because I'm going bonkers about the rads.
I've dropped mine, and scared the crap out of my poor wife :(Quote:
I would normally tell Mike to keep his kilt on but
[QUOTE=Waterlogged;5098945]How much patience are we talking here? 2-3 weeks or Duke Nukem Forever?
...and as for the rest of the new products, maybe it's time someone from Swifty admit that the schedule was a little too. . .ambitious.
140/240 QP's: They're in transit right now.
As for the schedule, yes it was probably too ambitious. Products were ready for the most part but our machines/prod. line has just been too busy.
I think its time to call it Swiftech's new products for 2013...from 2012. I kid I kid.
The APD2 waterblock is scheduled for release on or about 5/18.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
The MCRX40's radiators are scheduled for release on or about 5/25.
The Maelstrom bayres is expected to be released in June.
Lok-Seal 45's are available in black. 90's and Dual swivels are pushed back to 3rd week of May due to cosmetic issues that are being fixed.
Also upcoming by order of appearance (soon to late):
Komodo 7950 FC block
7970 & 7950 heatsinks
MCW82 "true contact" adapter kit for 7970/7950
7870 and 7850 heatsinks
GTX680 and 670 heatsinks
Thanx for the updates Stephen and Gabe :)
Eagerly awaiting the arrival of the APD2.