yeah i was just at tpu when i seen this new soc card.Just like the early 70's again stuff is just getting slower ?.
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yeah i was just at tpu when i seen this new soc card.Just like the early 70's again stuff is just getting slower ?.
Wondering if you can help. I have just recieved my MSI GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II OC and I have downloaded the MSI Afterburning 2.10 Beta 7. I have begun overclocking and currently sitting at 960 core with stock voltages, however I was wondering if it is possible to unlink the core and shader clocks as they are linked by default? Also, is there a max "safe" clock for memory and core voltage?
Thanks.
no unlinking of core/shaders with these cards.
Max safe clocks are relative to temps and voltage.
Good job so far :)
I need to do some tweaking though, ran OCCT and hit 6 errors after 10mins of stress testing. Want to play some Crysis 2 now anyway, quite supprised actually, this thing can handle Hardcore settings on the Crysis 2 demo with a FPS rate of 45-70 running at 1920x1080, better than I was expecting!Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
This card is fantastic value for money I must say. Double 3DMark Vantage scores compared to my old GTX 280, turning down Crysis 2 Demo to Advanced settings, as I couldn't see ANY difference when comparing screenshots, the frame rate is now 60-110 FPS. Excellent! I also managed to overclock the card to 1050MHz core, just as a quick test, however it seemed to require quite a lot of voltage, and the performance gain wasn't very much, in fact it was worse on FurMark benching which was strange, maybe it didn't like the high clocks. I think I will just stick with 960MHz, might push for 980, or maybe even 1000MHz. I have now got 960MHz stable with 1000mV compared to the stock 1012mV, it refused to stay stable at anything lower. After I get the perfect Core clock, it’s on to memory!
Temps are awesome too, idles at 27-30C, and tops out at around 54C under heavy gaming/benching. FurMark/OCCT however, managed to top the card out at 82C at one point, rather scary considering! My Corsair Obsidian 800D isn't exactly the best case for ventilation though, especially considering it is mostly water-cooled. Enjoying this card thoroughly though, only purchased it as a stop gap until the GTX 680 is out, beat my expectations!
LOL, Gigabyte fail :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I'd be surprised if anyone got a stock card that doesnt manage a 950 Mhz overclock.
950 Mhz looks easily doable on almost every GTX 560, going over that is completely random, and increasing the voltage doesnt do anything to improve stability.
It makes no sense paying extra for a 950 Mhz overclock on these cards, they will get to that much regardless of which one you buy.
Good thing that I grabbed one of the 1000MHz cards before they disappeared... =)
Well I settled with 950MHz as I had a few mild stability issues on 960MHz, increasing the voltage to 1025mV allowed me to stay stable at 960MHz but I am just going to stick with 1000mV @ 950MHz. I also overclocked the RAM straight to 2400MHz, could possibly get more out of it but it's not worth the little performance gain to push the RAM chips too far imo.
Passes Furmark, 3DMark Vantage, 3DMark 11, Crysis 2 and OCCT 1 Hour benchmark without any errors :)
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/83/resulto.png
Just need to get some free time to overclock my CPU!
Hi Guys,
I picked up two Gigabyte 560 OC cards on release day. My first card is 1.000v and my second card is 1.012v.
I've been following the thread, but haven't really done much with my cards. I tried OC to 1ghz on stock and I get a GPU crash if I start any stress software. :(
It recovers, but the OC is removed. I also tried increasing voltage to 1.15v on both cards, and go for 1GHz. Same result. Instant GPU driver crash.:down:
I have not tried any other OC and I have not tried any undervolt yet.
My two cards DO NOT have heatsinks on the memory. They also do not have a heatsink on the mosfets. They only have the giant windforce2 cooler.
There isn't even any possible way for heatsinks to fit under windforce2. Clearance is much too low - maybe 2mm space between the fins and memory IC's. Can anyone with Gigabyte OC cards confirm if they actually have heatsinks? Should I send my cards back to GB because they are missing?:confused:
Mine giga oc(900) card has a small hs on the mosfet area.the ram runs cool and has air flow over them so its not necessary to use heatsinks(if you could fit them that is)
Turn the fans up and start with small increases in clocks,in sli they will run hotter so take it slow.
the oc hs for vrm is smaller then soc card look closer.
Ok, I will check again tonight. One thing I noticed is there seems to be quite a bit of space between the heatpipes and the base plate on both my cards. Contact is not 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Full load with furmark using displacement mapping and xtreme burn mode with AFR1 brings my gpus up above 90C!!! Stock voltage and stock speed. My ambient is ~29-30C.
Three questions:
1. should I try to fill the gaps between the baseplate and heatpipes with TIM for better surface contact?
2. How is the TIM on the core? should I replace it with some X23-7783d?
3. I've been using evga precision for my gpus, instead of gigabyte oc tool because it incorrectly identifies my cards as GTS 450's... Is that ok? I've been using nvidia inspector to change voltage. Is there an all in one tool that will do it all?
Lastly,
Gigabyte SOC is different!!! It has a photo cap on it for super clean power.
http://techreport.com/r.x/geforce-gt...proadlizer.jpg
It also has 6 phase power.Quote:
The real secret to the SOC's ridiculously high clock speeds, though, may be the component pictured above: a Proadlizer film capacitor from NEC/TOKIN. I don't believe we've seen one of these on a graphics card before. It sits on the back side of the card right between the VRMs and the GPU and memory chips, purportedly providing "excellent noise absorption performance" and "high switching frequency."
1 i would not turn a screw if you are going to send them back
2 tim was applied very well on my card the change did not make a big differance (after a week or so)
3 lastest afterburner
I know the soc has the best hardware for any 560 i'v seen in retail so far,they were not much higher in price either..
zoson, judging from from the card I've gotten the TIM on the heat spreader is not too bad, but if you don't have good contact you should remount it anyway. Other than for example Gainward you won't void your warranty I think.
The card itself really is a solid piece of engineering but the HSF isn't that well built, it couldn't keep my card from overheating when running Furmark at it's stock setting of 1000MHz@.98v. I changed to a Thermalright Shaman with IC Diamond and now all is fine, folding now @ 1075,1.05v 2505 on the memory. Furmark still isn't stable above stock and voltage isn't helping that either. But that shouldn't matter right, we aren't buying card to play Furmark, right?
Concerning the OC tool from GB, well it's chunky and not really useable. Get the latest MSI Afterburner or NV inspector and you should be good, but you'll need the GB tool to change memory volts.
I didn't find any info yet on advisable memory voltage in the long run.
Yep , oc your cpu get a nice performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by NathObeaN
Bumped my voltage on both gpus up to 1037mv and it allowed me 933mhz core 1866mhz shaders.
Memory bumped up to 2200mhz. Looks good so far!
I also took one of my cards out and found the mosfet heatsink. it was hidden by a row of caps so it was invisible while installed!
I see a lot of people getting 2400mhz mem, so I'm going to try that tonight. :) I heard, though, that GDDR5 has a type of ECC, so it's possible to get a very high clockspeed, but actually have worse performance. Is that true?
Well I had to downclock the card a bit, couldn't run it at 950+ without unreasonable voltage increases to get 100% stable. By that I mean just after an hour of furmark it would crash, and it froze once or twice in the Crysis 2 demo.
I have now clocked it down to 940MHz on the core and 2200Mhz on the RAM running at 1000mV. Now it passes over an hour of furmark and doesn't encounter any issues at all. Still not a bad overclock, factory OC of +60MHz then my own OC of +60MHz on top, using 12mV less power than stock :).
Down and Down we go! I started off at 970MHz, thought I was pretty safe with an hour+ test on furmark, 3DMark 11 and Vantage, Heaven benchmark, NVIDIA demos etc. But no. I put on BFBC2, and on the first level in the dark, these strange white squares started to appear, from experience I know it is related to the shader clock being set too high. This really annoys me because my core is running fine, but because you cannot unlink them, I have now had to downclock once again to 925MHz in order to fix the shader problems. Before long I will be down to the stock clock for this card at 880MHz! lol Still, I might be able to undervolt it a little more...
Scrap my last, I was able to get rid of the shader problems by bumping the voltage up a notch.
Now I have found 3 possible varients that don't show shader glitches:
925MHz @ 1000mV
940MHz @1025mV
960MHz @ 1037mV
Of course I am aiming for the last one, so it's back to the furmark drawing board for an hour of stressing, bit worrying though, xtreme furmark, with all the settings to the max, and it's hitting just under 90C at the last settings. Ouch. Games rarely go above 60C though so it's not a major concern, I just don't want to make a habit of running furmark.
On another note, how hot do the RAM chips get when bumping the clock rate up, I was able to bump them up to 2550MHz before any artifacts. That would make it 5100MHz effective clock, yet the highest card out there, the gigabyte SOC is only at 4590 effective, which would translate to 2295MHz. So, is it safe to overclock that far, and how hot do these ram chips get, I have an MSI Frozr II OC, and I believe it doesn't have any RAM heatsinks?
Does anyone else get a slight "load judder" when playing BFBC2? I was trying out the campaign and as I was walking it was juddering every now and then, and if I walked back and forth over the same point it would judder everytime I passed that point, which obviously means it's loading something, but it shouldn't judder every 10-20feet I walk...
I tried underclocking the card but it still does the same thing. The only thing that got rid of it was to turn the settings down which makes me think it is either a game or driver bug, could someone else confirm please?
EDIT: SOLUTION FOUND! Only... it's a disappointing one. It seems BFBC2 has a glitch with i7s/Hyperthreading. Turns out, if I untick cores 4-7 (hyperthreads) in the CPU affinity under Task Manager for the game, the stuttering is completely gone, only the framerate drops by about 20FPS. How could one of the biggest games ever, made by one of the biggest game companies ever, not support hyperthreading?
CALIBRE 560 ti DEF CLOCK
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8757/vantagedef.jpg
1.025V 1000 Core:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaul
yup, stock voltQuote:
Originally Posted by vern
New nibitor allows edit the 560BIOS
Calibre gtx 560 Ti def clock SLI
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6781/2011cn.jpg
I still dont understand why people use furmark or any of those static image tests, Furmark stresses your VRM's more than the GPU it self. Your better of looping Crysis warhead ambush at all maxed settings for 30 loops compared to 1hr in Furmark.
FurMark draws the most power, therefore you can see if you are really putting enough power into your card or your clocks are too high for the current voltage output.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demo
Crysis will stress your card, but won't suck the card for power as much as FurMark will. Personally I have found it is best to use FurMark as a starting ground. Determine your most stable clocks under extreme power output. The second stage is then to test various games and image stressing to see if there are any image quality problems.
I also found FurMark was much more sensitive to Memory clocks than most games were, and it was fairly easy to diagnose (the fur cube contracts sporadically).
You can imagine my surprise when I tried overclocking an EVGA SC and got nil past 900Mhz. That's right...the "paid more for overclocked version in hopes of some sort of proper binning" idea completely backfired. Voltages for SC's are all over the place. My stock VID's 1.062. I can bring it all the way back to .975 and it still runs fine...so no clue what's going on, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
As for furmark vs Crysis, I don't play furmark...I play BC2. So kick it up and enjoy the game. If it crashes, fix it. If not, enjoy my game. :up:
serious one!! ;) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaul
My MSI GTX560 TwinFrozrII VID is 1.000v and hit 1000Core/2000Shader/4580Memory with 1.100v
Good or Bad?
Sorry my english, Im Portuguese =)
1V 1000Core , Nice:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JFV93
No... Hit 1000Core with 1.1.Quote:
Originally Posted by vern
generally 560 can do it:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JFV93
1.100v is not too much for GTX560?
Its ok for the msi card.Quote:
Originally Posted by JFV93
The MSI cards tend to do either 950 Mhz at stock volts, or 1000 Mhz at 1.100v with lucky cards.
Theres not really much difference between the two to be worth running them at 1000 Mhz 24/7 anyway, better to just use that for benching, and 950 Mhz with stock volts for 24/7 use for lower temps and noise.
I dont get why they didnt just release their 950 Mhz SOC version instead of the 880 Mhz ones as default, I'm still interested in flashing mine to the 950 Mhz MSI SoC bios, but I cant find it anywhere.
If anyone knows where I can get it from, and a compatible bios flash tool for these cards, please let me know :)
Ouch, sorry for the late reply, I only just read this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
I have mine running at 950 Mhz and 1000 Mv. 1000 mhz is a complete no go though :(. I'm actually underclocking them now to 950 Mv and 850 Mhz for spring + summer, and reducing my CPU to 3.8 Ghz + 1.25v, My PC gets far too toasty.
Thanx M8Quote:
Originally Posted by p3gaz_001
Nice 5000Memory , ?vGPUQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaul
thx, def vid 1.025Quote:
Originally Posted by vern
TBH 1.1v may not be safe for GTX 560s...
I own 2 MSI NGTX560 and a friend of mine bought himself a Golden edition.
He pumped the volt to 1.1v and core to 1Ghz and started furmark for stability testing. After 5 min the whole system shuts down and never power on, finally came to conclusion that the card is dead...:p:
BTW both of my cards can do 1040Mhz with 1.05v (Jus 3DM vantage testing thats all) under air cooling powered by IcyVision. :)
hi guys
I have been playing with my msi twinfrozer... i thought 950/2400 was stable with default voltage, i can play battlefield bc2 for hours, 3dmark and kombustor also run fine.
I only have this issue in Crysis2: the game runs fine, for some time like 15 minutes and then it freezes up for ~5sec and then the performace is crap - because the card is running at half clock as in power saving. Only way to get it to normal clock it to reboot. I have tried this also with much lower settings (910/2300) eg. which should work fine - but it also happens. More voltage does not help. Temps seem ok - around 60°C.
It does not happen with default clock.
What would cause the card to downclock? normally when its unstable i get image errors or the driver crashes... but i get none of these, it just downclocks.
A Issue with crysis2? Some feature of the 560? Not enough power? :shrug:
You kinda answered your own question. It doesn't do it at stock clocks but with the overclock which means it is related to the overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hausmeister
I had exactly the same thing with Crysis 2 and other games. When the card encounters an issue, it automatically reverts to stock settings or it reverts to 2D clocks.
The only way to overcome this issue is to downclock the card or up the volts. The only reason it is happening is because your card simply isn't happy with the overclock.
I found that some clocks would last an hour on furmark, but 10 minutes later it would crash. I also found Battlefield Bad Company 2 to have very few problems, but occasionally a white square would pop up - shader related.
Overclocking graphics cards can be quite tricky when finding the best OC with 100% stability.
Your problem may appear to be Crysis 2 related but given time the same issue would occur in other applications.
EDIT: A word of advice would be to start with the core clock first. 2300 clock on the memory might not sound like a lot but it can cause issues. I found 2400/2500 could cause very strange image problems and even crash the card completely. Find your best core OC, spend hours benchmarking/playing games. When you are absolutely SURE it is stable, THEN move to the memory.
thx nathobean
I just didn't know it would downclock itself. I know gpus are tricky. I will try again from the beginning...
I'll have enough time soon. just had my tonsils removed, still at hospital
Hi guys, I just sharing my result
I set VGPU GTX 560 Ti at 1.05V and can run on the GPU clock / Mem 1000MHz/1150MHz and 1015MHz/1150MHz
http://i51.tinypic.com/10eoq9v.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2nh2f7l.jpg
Nice , I guess your card can use low voltage to run 1000CoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Biner01
Thanks vern :)
As much as I would like to pick one of these up to play with their just not worth £170-£200. I can pick up a GTX480 NEW for £200. Somebody needs to give these companies a reality / price check.
Fry's had the Crysis edition for $220 with free shirt earlier this week.
Mine's running along at P4830. I could probably bump that up, but I built up my latest setup for silence and there's just nothing in my daily routine that requires a 3+ Ghz chip, so it runs stock. I turbo when I'm getting frisky though!
How does 89 C sound? A little high? Does it matter since it's EVGA? I currently have only 1 exhaust fan, but I could add a top tomorrow...thinking it over. Motivate me, lol. :D
3DM11 really doesn't care about CPU or memory speed none too much so if you are happy with stock settings there so be it. I'm baffled by your 3DM11 score though... seems low given your clocks, I score 4422 with my GTX460 (Clicky). I would say your GPU temps are high as well.
Long time since I last visited here.
Now that I found this thread I thought I could participate.
I currently have MSI 560Ti TFII/OC card.
Came with a stock 3D VID of 0,975 which is awesome or awesome?
However, I couldn't up the voltage about at all without the card softlocking.
I had thinking for a couple weeks and last week I decided to order AXP and Enzotech BMR-C1 copper heatsinks.
I'll be installing them next weeks, the Enzotechs are going to the vrms.
Long story short, I got my card, stock clocks and gaming temps rocket over 80*C gpu fan manually 100% with case side open and 30cm table fan blowing directly at the card, swapped TIM to MX-4, now I run gpugrid 24/7 with stock clocks and 73*C with gpu fan at 52% manually.
Can you guys tell me about the stock vids you have had with your cards?
Would be interested in them.
Reading this thread now, starting now page 6/10
IMO 73c is still hot especially for a 560. Could just be because the VRMs don't have a heatsink on why temps are higher than normal still though. I would say 0.975v is normal for your card, OC edition 460s mostly came with 0.975v default VID as well, I would expect your card to get to 950MHz - 1GHz GPU speed fairly comfortably.
On a side note, what happen to everybody in this thread? While I think 560s are overpriced for what they are, I was still enjoying seeing what other people were getting :yepp:
GPU/MEM 1000 / 4800
3D MARK 2011
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VANTAGE
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1437/vanh.jpg
AVP
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WARHEAD[/B]
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9928/30952595.jpg
Nice looking card, but why such a measly OC on the GPU? :p:
We didn't all get good cards. My OC version from EVGA wasn't tested and they gave me a 1.062 VID. It's crap and they wouldn't even admit they didn't really test it, but just jacked the VID. It needs .962 to hit the 900Mhz speed it shipped with. Bullocks! ;D
I was having an argument elsewhere with one of those clowns that think that the GTX 560 ti is a rubbish card for games like Metro because it only has 1 Gb Vram.
He kept posting loads of useless graphs and benchmark results showing a maximum of a 3 FPS difference with more Vram at 2560 resolution, but still wanted to conclude that 1 Gb cards arent enough for the latest games at 1200p.
I kind of did this, and he still thinks that the 1 Gb cards are worse than the 2 Gb ones:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6774/harmonyu.png
Apparantly he had discovered the use of paint to draw blue arrows where the FPS dipped as proof of 'lag spikes due to Vram shortage', ignoring the fact that the Vram usage was only around 980 Mb on the 1 Gb cards, and 1.3 Gb on the 2 Gb cards, I actually couldnt see any 'lag spikes' while watching the benchmark, and both the 1 Gb and 2 Gb cards experience the same dips on the graphs. It appeared to me that the 1 Gb MSI cards (clocked to 1025 / 2500 and able to complete a triple loop without crashing) were managing better, but apparantly it isnt and this benchmark comparison is somehow irrefutable proof that 1 Gb Vram isnt enough on a GTX 560 :x