there arent any out there other than kingston, which are discontinued, thus expensive as hell.
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there arent any out there other than kingston, which are discontinued, thus expensive as hell.
Bit of 4 drive Raid0 action 64k stripe. P40 Corsair.
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/8422/raidb.jpg
Atto is epic fail with a controller with cache.. The numbers are most cache numbers.
Use Iometer, everest, or even hdtune. Crystal diskmark with testfile over cachesize and ASS ssd bench.
5R0 Vertex 2, 60GB, stripe size 32KB
7.9 all the way, looking good :)
C:\Windows\system32>winsat disk
Windows System Assessment Tool
> Running: Feature Enumeration ''
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -read -n 0'
> Run Time 00:00:02.62
> Running: Storage Assessment '-ran -read -n 0'
> Run Time 00:00:00.17
> Running: Storage Assessment '-scen 2009 -drive C:'
> Run Time 00:00:51.18
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -write -drive C:'
> Run Time 00:00:01.15
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -seq'
> Run Time 00:00:00.39
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -ran'
> Run Time 00:00:00.28
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 0 -ransize 4096'
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 0 -ransize 16384'
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 930.38 MB/s 7.9
> Disk Random 16.0 Read 490.57 MB/s 7.9
> Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 0.11 ms/IO 7.9
> Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 4.56 units 7.9
> Responsiveness: Long IOs 1.31 units 7.9
> Responsiveness: Overall 5.99 units 7.9
> Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor 0.0
> Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 3390.42 MB/s 7.9
> Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 0.231 ms 7.9
> Latency: 95th Percentile 0.286 ms 7.9
> Latency: Maximum 24.231 ms 7.9
> Average Read Time with Random Writes 0.119 ms 7.9
> Total Run Time 00:00:57.19
WOW awesome results!
I know Nissen I only have 512k but I suppose it still kicks in even so on writes even when testing 1gb atto. I will take your advice though still not sure what best stripe size to use general usage with the areca seems they like smaller stripe size. Any suggestions for boot and apps general use 128k or smaller with this areca?
my 1880i comes in tomorrow with a pair of c300 256gigs :D
Wondering about the same.. which stripe size is best for games, apps windows experience. also does the card comes with memory or do I have to buy a 2 gig stick ? as the only 4 gig stick that could be use with the card is no longer available.
that version of the card does not allow memory expansion, only the arc1880ix-12 and up allow expansion!
that unit comes with 521 mb of memory, no upgrading!
(should still be a good card, but for that much cache i personally wouldve gotten a 9260-8i. better low cache performer!!)
sona.de recommends this 4GB-modules :( (~ US-$ 348)
http://translate.google.com/translat...-DDR2-4096-ECC (but only DDR2-667)
Is the ARC-1880 including Multilanes?
Should I leave 64k as raid 0 stripe size? I setup the raid as quick volume raid setup. Should I do it in any other way?
Hlo
experiment and see - with areca controllers with SSDs usually smaller strip is faster.
ftp://ftp.areca.com.tw/RaidCards/BIO.../ARC1880/Beta/
1880 beta bios :D
I will try tomorrow :up:
Good night from Norway :) (00:25)
ty nizzen for the notice!
this is what i was waiting for! i knew they had to be running an older sas set because they seemed to be running the same FW as other cards on it...Quote:
2010-1-4
1 Rebuild all SAS model
V1.48 20100104
new firmware...
gah! gonna have to get into benchmode again...lets see what vantage thinks of this!
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u.../New1880FW.png
@ Computurd
You have PM ;)
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=373808
4k random read Iometer;
New firmware:
Iops?
Very nice numbers Mr Nizzen, what drives and how many?
Do you have your 4GB cache yet?
so 16k is the best for ARC and intels?
Anyone have a (US retail ) link to a 667Mhz 4GB memory chip for this card? I'll try that out if nobody can find a legitimate 800Mhz 4GB chip.
I wonder what kind of performane difference that would make.
i know a retailer that is spotted in cyprus that has the kingston 800MHz that has the approval from ARECA. If anyone wants just pm me.
hey storage gurus could you guys weigh in on this for me?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...74#post4546074
i know its not storage related, but....
terrible news here..hooked up the st1500 and then started hearing arcing/seeing smoke/smelling fire/etc..
so of co0urse i have to unplug the psu
this is the first boot mind you
and the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ign thing fried 3 of my ssd's!!! one is torched, the other two are toasted, but no visible scorching.
all three were on the same cord, which has visible scorching on it.
unbelievable.
absolutely unbelievable.
fried the sas/sata fanouts on the ssds as well, but thank god the controller looks to be alright.
sheer dumb luck that somehow it would fry the cables, yet leave the card in fine shape.
i am crushed! now time to see what they will do about it
i am wondering if they are going to cover the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing damage here. this : was hooked up correctly. there is no reason in gods green earth that the sata port should do that.
hey comp, I once did that by assuming that modular cables would be the same across psus when I checked the manual on the new psu I found that the same (psu) connector on new psu actually was for a higher voltage (not hard disk) output. Are you sure that power cable was from the new psu? It destroyed the psu and fused the sata cable to the intel 80GB ssd connector!!
Well to be honest i never heard of the brand of psu you use and i have heared and experienced that those non brand/cheaper brand's fry stuff.
Be quiet
antec
thermaltake
ocz
corsair
evga (its a rebranded antec with the option to tweak the voltages)
Those are the only brands i thrust for psu's.
But hopefully you can get a few new free ssd's out of this.
Intel G3's perhaps
im very sad about this paul. if u need anything tell me :(
LSI SSS6200 on AS ssd i have some screens from june where i was testing that thing
Silverstone is one of the top notch PSU makers, along with Seasonic, PC Power&Cooling, Corsair and Antec. Jonny Guru is known for proper PSU reviews, I'd also check with HardOCP and Anand on that subject matter. OCZ and Thermaltake on the other hand were spitting cheap generic re-brands for long long time. Some OCZ models are getting quite good though. But there are not the names come to my mind when I think quality PSU.
Sorry for your ordeal mate. I had once PSU go pop like that but in fairness I pushed all my stuff to the brink and it didn't have enough juice.
Hope Silverstone would step-up. I still have all my equipment going through UPC that in addition to fuse will provide protection against power drop...
@CT
That's just terrible.
SilverStone is a reputable brand, just proves that accidents happen.
@Tilt
Awesome :)
But where's the rest of that AS SSD score :D
I figured it was low on writes, great result though.
Is this using raid-5?
yeah strange and i couldnt stop the built-redunt which was 90%
Tilt,
If you've still got access to it you should create a new thread, it looks awesome on random reads
I’m gutted for you. I would imagine that Silverstone would want that unit back to see what went wrong. If it is a serious manufacturing defect you might be lucky to get compensation for the damage it caused but warranties generally exclude collateral damage and only cover replacement of the product.
Could you claim it on house insurance as accidental damage? I know it was not an accident as such but I was able to claim when my house got hit by lightning and it took out anything that was plugged in at the time. I was also able to claim on flood damage when my water cooling system leaked and took out half my PC but that is another story.
ouch did you test the psu standalone before plugging it in ? I always use my 2x cheap psu testers one from antec to test new psu standalone before plugging it it. Sometimes you can get faulty psu out of the factory. I had one brand new psu arrive, tested it with antec psu tester and switch on and entire house electricity and safety circuit trip! So rma back to retailer to test, they plugged it and and turned it on and it fried their entire power surge board with smoke literally a mini fire happened EEK. Straight rma replacement :D
well went to bed pretty dejected last night, felt like my dog had died :(
came into the room today and it still smells like someone was burning a rubber tire in here, but thanks guys for the words, cheers me up more than you would imagine!
the best thing i guess is that they were just gen 1 vertex 30gb, resale value on them is probably 50 bucks each if im lucky. (worth more to me than that, though :) )
Dont get me wrong guys, SilverStone is a helluva company, and their PSU are definitely world-class...just a bad cable is all. took an old 20gb platter and tested the other sata outputs one by one, all were good. the psu itself is running fine, god i am ballsy trying it though< wish i had some gear like you mentioned eva2000! I have used silverstone psu's for years, and know many who use them, some by my recommendation, so i am not going to be quick to bash them, thats for sure. they do make good stuff!
gonna see if silverstone will step to the plate with the ssd, but have a feeling i will get bonered on it. just gonna have to eat it i guess.
really it could have been much worse. 1500 watts to the motherboard would've been a real disaster! raid card/ram/gpus....all would be toast so i guess i should actually be counting my blessings!
'tested' the 1880 by doing a few runs this am, and lemme tell ya, there is definitely a big difference power wise! the 3.3v was getting weak on my old one, but with 40a on this one it definitely is ROCK solid. also with the two eps 8-pin with a 12v rail for EACH, total of 50A of power just toasting this cpu! actually i think that i was overcompensating with volts for the weakening psu, as now the cpu is running hotter a little bit, also when i am making changes it is much more responsive to that. this is a great psu JohnnyGuru's review was pretty glowing, and when it impresses that guy that much, its gotta be good :)
I am going to have to re-do my OC though, i think i am way overvolting, to the extreme!
@tilt-wow you've been holding out on me you greek you-know-what, that AS SSD is stupendous! 391@4k QD1...mind boggling! you shouldve run PCMV on it! (j/k i know it was in a server :))
you do need to make a thread though, just maybe some of your thoughts/observations on that device as you seen it..would make for great reading. that was more than one device though, correct?
@aydsf-they were cables that came with the unit, unfortunately. I guess it would be easier to swallow if it had been my own error. god that had to suck though, hate to lose gear to this type of stuff, and that information you gave me i will never forget thats for sure. i was thinking that it was cool that i had some other spare cables that were with another psu...didn't try it thank god, but might have!
@ F@32-yea i hope they step up too!
@A01-i am thinking siverstone will want the unit back as well. it is working fine, but if i can get my ssd replaced i will send them those too, to prove it was the psu or whatever. with the low resale value of the vertex i dont think it would be worth it to claim, but reading your post makes me realize i should be thankful, it could be much worse! i couldn't imagine losing everything that is plugged in, as much of a tech nut i am i would probably lose it and go live in a grass hut in the mountains or something, never to be seen again...:rofl:
sorry to hear that happened to you though, but glad that insurance helped ya out.
strange though that it fired the sas/sata fanouts but not the raid controller..that is just too much luck...:worship:
Ballsy indeed trying the psu after that, i wouldn't have confidence in the psu and go for rma. I had to rma my 2+ yr Silverstone OP1200 a few months back as i smelt a burning smell coming from my bench rig even though it ran fine. Couldn't pin point if it was psu or board as no visible sign. Contacted Silverstone Taiwan via online tech support they said even if i wasn't sure if it was psu, they should check it out for me. Referred me to local Silverstone Aussie disty and they confirmed it was faulty. Took a while to get back as disty only sends faulty unit back to manufacturers in batches. Got replacement unit a few months back works fine. My OP1200 is old with only 4x 6pin PCI-E instead of newer OP1200 with 6x6pin PCI-E, only emailed them recently and they sent me 2x 8pin to 6pin PCI-E converters free of charge. This is for a psu i bought 2+ yrs ago heh
So really, would you really want to trust the psu ?
As to psu testers lots at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tester&x=0&y=0
yea you are right...i am not going with it for the long run at all. i will be RMA for sure...just waiting on getting my other one back is gonna be a PITA>
EDIT: that psu tester is cheap, gonna pick one up, thanks for the link!
also i didnt realize there was online support...cant find it
support contact form http://www.silverstonetek.com/contactus.php?area= :)
@ Mr Nizzen,
Too bad about the mem!
Yes, agree, looks like you want the 4GB mem for sure :yepp:
@eva-ya i know that one :) i thought you were saying an online chat, like newegg does. those are the best for fast resolution of issues.
4gb arc mem waiting bench;
ICH10 testing :shrug:
Ass bench
6xc300 128gb 4k stripe @ ich10 @ p6t7 supercomputer
Not bad for a waiting bench? :p:
@ Mr Tiltevros - wow - very nice AS SSD - only one controller? :up::up:
@ Mr Anvil - just noticed you uped your pcmv score by about 2500 pnts!
Very nice work - over 30K!
#8 on the orb - job well done - :up::up: - http://service.futuremark.com/search...esolution=-100
Give us details !!! :yepp::yepp::yepp:
@ Mr. Nizzen, very nice for ich10 :up:
well this sucks, gonna have to pull up lame for a bit with regards to my quest for the #4 spot...my hardware isnt working as well with only 6 drives, the thing about these gen 1 drives is that i have to have tons of them to get any real justice out of them...i will see what this weeks IDF has to say about the G3 specs this week before i pull the trigger on something...not gonna spend 300 bucks on 3 new vertex gen 1 though, i guarantee that :)
this week will be busy digesting IDF info for sure though, and maybe some downtime to do something i haven't done in a while...game! i will do some gaming comparison graphs though..
I've got a dozen scores over 30K, all very consistent.
The top score was using 7 Vertex 2 60GB/100GB drives.
I've practically got the same score using 4 Vertex 2 100GB (mix of LE/V2)
Meaning, the number of drives does not seem to matter, it's controller bound. (that is using the SF drives, the C300s might prove otherwise)
I need the 4GB stick and start doing some OC to get more points :)
@CT
Are you sure you need that many drives, 7 should do OK.
well maybe...i guess it depends upon my configuration. however, these drives dont have the brute power of the SF, so it takes tons to get any good numbers. will make it cheaper to upgrade in the future though...
after some talking with the main office of ARC they send me this thing
with datatransfer-guessed/advised of 2016MB with RAID 0 and 1720 MT with RAID 5 (reading, 512K, 16 outstanding IOs)
so the 1880 has cap limit at 2GB/s Cool :)
Got the tracking # for my 4GB stick today :)
gah fun time for comp @ #5 position is almost over!
nice pic tilt...amazing that they still havent widely released the specifications yet, maybe they arent entirely sure yet of what it can do :)
Hello :D
awesome :) is it the kingston stick?
It's supposed to be the Unigen stick.
I'm almost ready to start the sqlio thread, I just need to create some references.
Here's the 1880 1G running 4R0 Vertex 2, testing cache only. (testfile 1GB)
edit:
Currently running the same tests on the 9260 with the FP key :), finally got it.
those vertex are looking great. do you think that 4 vertex2 would saturate the controller? surely more than 5 wouldnt be needed...
have a bbu inbound due today btw :)
awesome, you will love the FP!
Keep in mind that the above test is *cache only*, I'll do the same test using a 2-4GB file.
iops wise (@4K) they would saturate the controller, as for throughput, well, you know that answer :)
Current firmware gives about 114K iops, 4R0 Vertex 2 should reach ~120K iops. (if the controller scaled to 120K iops, that is)
As for Vertex 2 Vs C300, let's see how they turn out in the SQLIO thread.
There will be a lot more than just 4K iops in that thread.
edit:
I've done a few tests with the FP key and that little thing surely boosts iops to a new level :)
143K iops (4K) using 1GB testfile and 4R0 Intel G1 80GB SSDs.
BTW, price per kilogram for the FP key would be outrageous :)
@ Mr Nizzen - very nice numbers! :yepp::up:
LOL worth more than gold per ounce Anvil :)
A bit misleading as the Areca is all in-cache and the 9260FP works with a testfile thats 2x the size of the cache.
+
Areca = 4R0 Vertex 2 100/120GB
9260FP = 4R0 Intel G1 80GB
strange that the 9260 is outperforming it at higher QD even without using cache... can you give us your impressions of the fastpath performance, is there a notable difference between the 1880 and 9260 w/FP in normal usage to you?
I think they are both stellar, but in real world the 9260 might pull out ahead, with its more mature drivers. the 1880 of course benches like hell though! :)
anvil try using 8 drives ;) with FP LSI is still in the lead with high queue depths
@CT
I don't know yet, this is the first thing running off the FP key :)
I kind of expected this result though, the Areca is awesome at low QD and the LSI is awesome at high QD.
@Tilt
I'll do that :)
Maybe tomorrow, gotta try to finish the SQLIO thread and then you can bring on your own results where we can compare.
nizzen i have a question...is the 1880IX identifying the device as a sata 3 ? also would a single device run at 6gb/s speeds?
god i can taste number 4, im @ 32364.....GAH!!!!!:brick::cord::stick::cheer2:
Ha ha, finally got a tracking number from Areca! I should be seeing an 1880ix-12 soon. The tracking says it was shipped at 5pm yesterday in Taiwan but should be delivered... ... ...today before 10:30am? Well that's clearly incorrect. Changing the timezone view to by destination shows that it was picked up today at 6pm my time (?), in transit as of 9:30pm (?), and will be delivered tomorrow morning. That's still bizarre.
Anyway. Here's a fun bit about this particular card I will be receiving: it's a pre-final R&D card featuring a wire jump on the board itself and with no BBU support. Normally that might not be something to get excited about, but comparing the pre-final R&D copy with a final one might give us some insights about the process the card went through and how much consideration the engineers put into it (eg. was the wire soldered properly and tight to the board). I am told that I may/may not get to see a production sample as well once their spare bin is replenished, and until then comparisons will probably have to be made between my photos and someone else's.
Now I really need to give a hard think about what I'm going to use for drives in this thing. Do I pull the trigger on some C300's or wait for the new products due out this fall? With the lifetime this controller will probably see in the market I don't think waiting would necessarily be the worst idea, but sooner means I can have fun sooner. Hmmm. I really need to get in with someone who makes SSD's now.
Looking at the pcmv scores that CT has been pulling down with ancient vertex gen 1s and 920 (no 6 core nor improved instruction set) -
It looks like the 1880 with 4GB cache just screams with whatever you attach it to.
It might be fun to try 5xR0 of inexpensive SSDs, maybe 5x small SF drives or even the ancient x25-v 40s.
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@ Mr Serra - looks like you could get 5x C300 64's from the egg for about $730.
I would imagine the resale on those should be pretty good if you don't keep them too long.
I ordered an 1880IX-12 last week from Provantage due to their low price! Not sure when I'm going to see it though. The order is still processing. :(
Anyway, I'd like to throw a bunch of cheap Intel drives at it but I'm still looking for a place that sells the 4GB RAM chip.
@Serra or anyone else who knows- have you found a US distributor for the 4GB chip yet?
I'd even be willing to go down to 667MHz instead of the 800Mhz if its available.
Based on 1880ix-12 availability (or lack there of) from other etailers - i wonder if there is production/dissemination problem of some kind.
I have not had a chance to really look into it yet. Does anyone have a link to a list of compatible memory? I might be able to find some from some distributors I have access to through work.
The rumor I heard (and I will stress I am stating it is a rumor, not fact) is that the cards aren't in full mass production yet, but I'm not sure why not.
Unigen 4gb stick from Areca is the way. It works, it is expensive. Hll, the 1880ix is expensive, so who cares :D
Go with Unigen
So which (US) distributor to get the Unigen from? :shrug:
The same place you buy Areca controllers from :)
I bougt my Areca 1880 from iwill.no, and they god the controller, unigen memory and bbu from Areca. Suprise :p
Someone forgot the old Areca 1680ix ?
Did som benches with 4x64gb c300. 2gb supertalent memory on 1680ix.
Very nice nizzen. that controller has matured nicely.
cache availability in the US remains unchanged fellas.
I think demand for these cards has outstripped supply big time. the wait for them didnt help of course.
steve, anvil, anyone?--which would you get? 5x vertex2 or 5x c300?
anvil, i know you have tested both...your final word?
@serra this will be very interesting, your card !
cmon steve, gimme some credit, it helps that i am persistent....:p:Quote:
Looking at the pcmv scores that CT has been pulling down with ancient vertex gen 1s and 920 (no 6 core nor improved instruction set) -
It looks like the 1880 with 4GB cache just screams with whatever you attach it to.
2+ weeks ago contacted Areca Australian disty, they said 1880ix-8 and 1880ix-16 instock in a week. But 1880ix-12 no stock for at least 1 month. So 1880ix-12 maybe alot of demand for it even though it was only AUD$100 less than 1880ix-16
1880ix-12 = AUD$1160
1880ix-16 = AUD$1270
AUD$1 = US$0.96
@ CT
I think the jury is still out but based on what I've seen so far if I was to buy a new set of SSDs right now and $ no object, I think I would go 5x C300/256. :yepp:
1880/4GB/5xC300/256 might be faster than 1231/4GB/5xAcard9010s in pcmv not sure yet. :yepp:
@ Mr Nizzen - very nice! you always had a way with the 1680 I could never match!
Wow - 1880/4GB/5xC300/256 - just under $4k or so? - no problem -:rolleyes:
yea lol, no problem at all...your talking to guyy who doesnt have a 980X!!
very exciting stufff going on in PCMV, seeing some serious competition heating up there at the top!
Unfortunately i will not be able to get my fourth place after all it seems :(
lacking 313 points, outta 32634 its like .009 percent, but that .009 is kickin my ass...
my best for now...
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcmv=364187
just realized i need to still do some game load testing..
Hi. I've been lurking hardcore for awhile, very jealous! Grats to everyone on their pcmv successes, youngpro/steve/dinos/comp/nizzen.
I've been very close a couple times to pulling the trigger on the 1880, it would only be for vantage and honestly I can't really justify it. If I could take a shot at #1 that would be one thing, but I can't compete with 5.5+ghz.
Having a lot of fun watching you guys though, good luck!
@ Mr Mbreslin - don't be so quick to count yourself out - looks like 1880/4GB might go extremely well with your C300s! :yepp:
Was bored today...
Tested 1880 + 1680 4+4 c300 software raid-0... 4k random read :p:
wow Mr Nizzen - find a way to make that bootable buddy and I'm on the next boat.
yea that is amazing...very nice!
The 1880 and the C300s looks like a nice pair :)
AS SSD is more or less showing the Arecas performance, I'll throw it in anyways.
Attachment 107851
PCMV 3R0 C300 64 Link.....
Attachment 107852
@ Mr Anvil - gaaa! - the C300s sure like the 1880! :shocked:
And only 3xR0 64's too! :shocked:
If I was Mr mbreslin - I ... could ... not ... resist! :yepp:
Please tell me this is with 4GB cache? :eek:
CPU clock? pcie clock?
Steve
Yes it's the 4GB cache :)
PCIe 107, which is the max I've been able to get stable. (the 1880 doesn't boot at 109)
CPU 32x133
iow, this thing is merely running at "idle speed" :)
Steve,
It doesn't feel like it's faster than the 9260 in day-to-day use, as mbreslin stated, it would only help him in pcmv scores.
The 9260 w/ FP is outperforming the 1880 on large datasets.
For desktop/workstation I'd probably get the 1880 anyways :), the 4GB stick is the key to it's performance.
Anvil,
I think you're right on.
Depending on what you're doing a good pair of SF on ich10 with wbc enabled would feel just as fast.
edit - SF or C300s