Dude if you don't know what you're talking about you better save your breath. Look what some aircoolers can do at a higher vcore, higher ambient and a hotter Bloomfield:
http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/.../2100_tdp1.png
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Dude if you don't know what you're talking about you better save your breath. Look what some aircoolers can do at a higher vcore, higher ambient and a hotter Bloomfield:
http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/.../2100_tdp1.png
biker, test very high volt like max v1,4-1,5 or much as you dare ;)
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for the testing results :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
But can I ask you another favor. What is the measurement from the top fan screw holes to the top of the radiator, and from the botton fan screw hole to the bottom of the radiator? Thanks man :up:
Also, why does everyone say it's 50mm thick if it only measures 48mm? :shrug:
No time for testing today :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomasis
I will try to throw on a 920 @ 1.4v tonight though ;)
You're welcome :)Quote:
Originally Posted by miahallen
The distance from the centre of the rad screw hole to both the top and bottom is the same distance: 22mm. When it is mounted with the extrusions above and below then both sides are exactly the same width as the fans: 120mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by miahallen
So you need at least 22mm clearance on two opposite sides of the mount :yepp:
No idea lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by miahallen
It is definitely 48mm ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by miahallen
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-3.htmlQuote:
Even just with a quick glance you can see how thick the radiator of the H70 is. To be precise it is a full 50mm thick, which makes it exactly twice the size as the one on the H50.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/i...m/DSCF2217.jpg
To be precise it is a full 50mm thick, which makes it exactly twice the size as the one on the H50
Inaccurate.
Lazy reviewing.
Dude....you are the man :buddies:Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
ok so Ive received the H70 .
installation instructions are minimal to say at least . And not so clear to me .
1 thing which they fail big at is the pressure on the 4 screws . I don't seem to get this right . If i tighten the 4 screws without overtightening , my cpu will fail during a lot of posts . If i loosen the screws to the point that they feel too loose , the cpu boots fine but my temps rise .
Difficult ..
Does anyone have a trick on how to do this best ? :)
If your failing to post and you've not over tightened, then I imagine your motherboard is screwed. It's possible it got damaged while you put the H70 on or during installation/removal of your old cooler. But I don't see how screwing it on not too tight would cause it to fail to post, it's not like it's built in such a way it could short your board out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
go with what you think is normal. and while in windows doing some stress test watch the temp, and very gently tighten the screws a half turn and see if the temps go down any, if not your probably as tight as you need to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
i dont recommend that with a screwdriver, but if you had thumb screws on a waterblock its pretty safe to do. so be cautious.
k figured it out , it was a motherboard problem .
When i reseat my cpu it detects this and thinks its a new cpu . Then when i reload my profile it will refuse to boot . When i change my ram timings to something moderate it boots , then after that i can do 6-6-5 again .
I thought it where the screws since i did those at the same time i also changed timings and booted .
I think its good now anyway .
Let's check the other stuff now :)
Here's a very good review comparing H70 vs H50 and Noctua NH-U12P with both stock fans and 2x Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850 rpm. There's both a video and written article. It's swedish so translated it into english with google translate, but the graphs says it all anyway http://translate.google.com/translat...F1&sl=sv&tl=en
H70 looks really great IMO but changing fans is a must. :p For the lazy ones it performs around 4C better vs H50 with same fans or ~5C comparing stock vs stock fans (~3dB louder than Gentle Typhoon 1850rpm tho) and around 3C better than Noctua aircooler.
At such light loads any decent heatsink is going to produce acceptable results. At least 1,4v on a Bloomfield is required to see if this is any good. Testing on Lynnfields or AMD is a waste of time because the TDP is never great enough to separate products.
What matters is the relevance to the other product results, no matter what config u use, (in this case i7-870 @ 3.53GHz 1.3v). It might show say 6C lead if we had seen a bloomfield 1.4v test vs H50 for example but still 3C in this test over Noctua aircooler and 4C over H50 is nothing to sneeze at. If it shows 55C or 60C load temps is insignificant in the tests but how it compares to the other products is a useful comparision. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
The difference between 56 and 60 is laughable simply because the U12P is not a major player in the air cooling game. Throw in a Venomous X and we're talking.
No he's saying that when you compare cooler against one another all you know is how they perform on a level playing field (same CPU, same clock speeds, same voltages). Like comparing a DX11 card against a DX10 card using DX9 games only, he wants to see it's limits as all the reviews so far have used tame overclocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Corsair say the H70 has a much higher heat capacity than the H50, and so any test a H50 can complete isn't pushing a H70. Only a test that a H50 would fail on will show us if Corsair have gotten it right or not. Either you pass the limits of the H50, or you buy a H50 as 5C isn't worth the extra noise or cost.
Simply put, I want to know if a H70 will get me 200mhz higher than a H50 and stable. It's a fair thing to ask, some of these reviews have the bloody stock Intel cooler in them, once upon a time these reviews would only have three of four coolers on the final round of tests as the others all flaked out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
That was thick, and it means you need a good static pressure to move the air really fast trough all that. I guess a couple of high RPM 38mm (something like Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000RPM) could shave a good deal on this.
exactly!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
if you can do the same overclock on a cheaper heatsink where its stable at 75C anyway, then theres no point in getting 65C temps with 2x the noise for the same exact end result.
however it would be cool for someone to show what noise level reductions you can have with the H70, for the maximum OC obtainable on the H50
Yous should shave off every degree that you can, specially when the price is so close. No point in saving a few slants and get 5'C more. You can get a good deal extra OC with 5'C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
When it comes to noise, you don't run fans at 100% all the time. Most MBs can auto-regulate the fan speed and the noise shouldn't be a problem for 24/7.
it wasnt about what you should do, its about how things should be reviewed. i get the max oc i can at the voltage i like. but reviewers dont seem to like to push the OC limits anymore. they just run at a safe setting and compare temps cause its alot easier (but thats all anyone does anymore and theres nothing unique)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
and i understand the fan speed thing, but i was referring to noise at max load/temp. no point looking at idle temps noise when almost any aftermarket cooler can practically do that passively
I agree that they should have the focus on the max vCore for 24/7, and present the temp and noise for that, but it should be for both idle and load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Idle temp/noise is very important too. I have 4 fans on 2 CPUs on my SR-2 + 2x180mm and 2x120mm case fans. I don't hear them at idle, but you can hear them when it takes off under load. So both are important.
Do you have any other ruler with metric?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
It was posted by a reviewer here as 50mm
http://www.gdm.or.jp/review/corsair_...age/19_450.jpg
http://www.gdm.or.jp/review/corsair_...age/20_450.jpg
Scares me how popular this thread is.... :sofa:
No, to be precise your picture shows exactly 48mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
A rusty tape measure isn't a precision instrument.Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
He's not measuring molecules...and rust has nothing to do with the instrument's precision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
the divets or whatever they are called that hold the tip to the tape, are clearly able to move by about 1mm
its damn well close enough to 2" i think everyone can calm down
First: To be even remotely accurate the tongue of the tape measure would have to be OVER the edge of the radiator, not just pressed into the gap of the curved edge and the fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
Second: The cut at the start of the tape is curved.
Third: There is obvious play between the rivets holding the tongue to the tape.
All this before we get to 30mm, sure the accuracy might improve a whole lot once you get to the 50cm mark but at the 50mm point it's not trustworthy.
I just adjusted the data and reinput the variables into the quantum over drive. The H70 is in fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
48.019384765999947401017mm thick give or take a micron.
The world can breathe a sigh of relief...
Keep up the good work son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron_Davis
Dude that was a review quote. The rad thickness is 48mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
Has anyone got some pics of the H70 mounted in a case? :)
Im thinking about one of these but am worried about the thickness of the rad. 50mm, or 48mm whatever, seems really thick!! i like having space around the CPU area so that other components can get some air flow
http://forum.aquapc.com/showthread.php?t=93013Quote:
Originally Posted by a5h
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9135/28665297.jpg
I see now. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
I've been testing this H70 . First of all i set the fans as intake . This heats up my entire case and this adds to the noise of my videocards (they start to scream with their tiny fans) .
So I have mounted the fans now to be outtakes , this is also most fair to compare it to my previous cooler (thor's hammer) which also had to cool the cpu with air from inside my case .
fans used on the rad are :
push papst 4412 GP (100cfm 2900rpm max , PWM controlled)
pull scyte slipstream 1600rpm (88cfm max , always running 100%)
room temp 24°C
thuban X6 cpu 4216mhz , 1.48 idle 1.52 load
idle temp 37° , with firefox open this is 40° . all in all 1° better than my hammer .
load temp during boinc (100% cores , 75% load) 57° . during prime goes to 70° (pwm fan at 2700rpm) then i had to stop (max cpu temp for thuban is 62°C)
seems like this cooler can't handle the cpu's load .
good points :
lower internal casetemp/motherboard/NB/SB/videocards and better airflow
somewhat less noise due to the fact that i could drop 1 fan with this setup
very clean case with lots of room
Given the fact that it is a watercooling setup and costed me 96€ , I am fairly disappointed with the unit as of now .
Thanks for the information CrimInalA..but to compare..how high was the load temp from your thor's hammer!
And what where the temps when you use it with fans as intake?
JP.
Thanks! the rad looks massive compared to the H50Quote:
Originally Posted by dr.noob
the hammer couldn't take prime either at these speeds and voltages .Quote:
Thanks for the information CrimInalA..but to compare..how high was the load temp from your thor's hammer!
And what where the temps when you use it with fans as intake?
JP.
But it's a bit apples to peaches here , because on the hammer i had a papst 4412GLL (44cfm 1200rpm) compared to the slipstream (88cfm 1600rpm) which i have now installed on the rad .
the temps when i had the fans as intake on the rad weren't much different (37° idle , prime : not able to handle) . But at that point i had the noctua NF-P12 as push and papst 4412GP as pull . however , my GPU idle temps were +8° , NB +9° , SB +5° , MB +3° .
According to the reviews of this cooler, it does no better than my Asus Triton 88.
that sounds like a bad mount. ive tested higher voltages with lower clocks and never broke 50C. i dont know if any high end cooler lets a amd chip ever reach past 60C due to how little power they consumeQuote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
Were those core temps? I didnt break 50c either with a 1090t and H50 at 4ghz 1.48v. 4.2ghz 1.6v load ~54c, this is cpu temp. not core temps. As core temp is bs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimInalA
While I've not had much experience overclocking AMD's recently, I do think Criminal had mounting issues. He couldn't tighten the screws without boot failure/problems. If that's still the case, then I'd imagine all his results are compromised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
all temps are cpu temps , as core temps are irrelevant .
I redid my AS5 and mounted and tightened the screws .
As you can read above , the mounting issues were in fact bios issues caused by removing the cpu and reseating it .
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1734/omgmacprice.png
Hahaha, that's pretty funny! :rofl:
Sorry for OT. :p:
Thats why you should never test coolers on AMD. The sensors are so bad it screws up everything. Try using Everest to read the temps and small fft to load the cpu. Below you can see what a NH-D14 can do with a 1500 rpm Slipstream:
http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...4&d=1282052589
I always/only use everest to show temps on my G19 lcd . Other programs show the same temp , but everest is well implemented for the G19 so i'm going with that .
Temps for cpu are the same during blend or small fft (maybe +-1°C) .
Tell the guy in the screenshot to run a decent HTlink speed and NB speed :rolleyes:
You'll see temps go up by a fair amount .
it shouldnt be hard to know the accuracy of the temps. if you load 200W into an AMD or Intel using the same heatsink, they should have very similar temperatures. im not saying within 1C, due to shape of the chip and which parts heat up, things can vary by probably 3-4C. but a 10C differences comes off as an outside issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
Unfortunately testing a Thors hammer and a Boss 2 couldn't handle the heat and the motherboard failed. I guess 4 phases for a serious mobo is a bit on the low side. As for Ht link and NB speed their influence was very low since he was trying to achieve higher cpu frequencies. Anyways testing heatsinks on AMD is a great exercise in futility since you don't really know which program to trust when reporting temperatures. Pushing over 1.5v into the cpu is a serious no-go if you don't own the very best in air cooling or some serious water.
The same TDP argument is not valid simply because theres no way of telling which program reports the accurate temperature on different platforms.
1.5v is a joke for AMD, turbo uses 1.45v AT STOCK
and you clearly didnt understand the theory about how you can translate wattage into heat and return an estimated temperature thats close enough to let you know which values to trust
and btw i dont see many issues with reporting AMD temps. OCCT, AOD, Everest, all show the same exact temps to me
For your reading pleasure:
http://forum.lab501.ro/showpost.php?...0&postcount=65
Romanian use translators.
the translator was really horrible, so it was an utter pain to read
why not test it with AOD aswell? the values for everest looked high and the values for easy tune looked perfectly normal. almost every AMD OCer knows that after 60C with basically any 45nm chip, you will get unstable results very easily.
AOD?
Nevermind that showed even more nonsense than easytune, with lower than ambient idle temps. How can you say easytune is right since theres barely any difference between heatsinks and fans used.
If the heatpipes are really hot and some software 'only' shows 50 degrees you know something is not right. Everest might not be the best but its the closest to reality.
AOD = AMD Over-Drive
what defines really hot, did they have a thermal camera? i just read over it again and didnt see any mention of them touching the heatpipes
I think it says a lot when the newest prefab CPU water cooling unit performs comparably to one of the major players in the aftermarket CPU air cooling category. It's always nice to see advances in design producing better results than previous iterations, but I think the prefab WC units are kind of iffy. Seems to me like they've still got a ways to go before they live up to their potential.
It is nice to finally see a pic of the block fins (image 2 in the above link)....
wow thats alot of surface area
i wonder if anyone planned on taking the base and throwing a super powerful pump at it
If this is true, then the temperatures for the H70 with an I7 at 4.0 Ghz are the same as my current setup at 4.2 Ghz:
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/c...r_h70_review/3
If I lap my current CPU + Triton 88, they will vastly outperform the H70.
These corsair coolers really arent worth it. Either go full air, or full water IMO.
H70 shows worse temps than H50Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
review seems fail
Do we have any more accurate reviews comparing more coolers? Im only interested in 4.0 Ghz+ results, the one above showing the 3.8 Ghz result is dire, mine maxes out at 72-75 degrees at 3.8 Ghz and much lower voltages. Also note that I need 1.35v for 4.2 Ghz, and 1.3625v for 4.2 with 100% LLC, so the H70 does look to be exactly the same as what I currently have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
I currently get 85-89 degrees with my triton 88 with low speed fans under 100% at 4.2 Ghz, but only 83-85 at 4.0 Ghz.
4.2 Ghz is still fine in everything outside prime, so thats why I'm thinking that lapping what I currently have would make far more sense than a new cooler or CPU because there havnt been any decent upgrades to the I7 920 worth getting yet (no affordable 32 nm quad or hex core). Its only £6 for a lapping kit, I'm just missing a completely flat surface.
weve seen alot of mini reviews, and most show a good 5-10C improvement over the H50 (with stock fans)
just physics should be enough to show a testing method went wrong, and any lack of justification or theory dosnt help show off quality in a review
And most H50 reviews that I saw were far worse than my temperatures on Air, so comparing H70 to H50 doesnt mean a lot to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
air cooling is hard to mess up the orientation, and if your open benching its harder to know actual results people will see
with the corsair coolers you have to pay attention to how you test and make it very known all the other factors too (like other fans in the case, no point have 2000rpm intake with 1x 800rpm exhaust)
looking at how much testing goes into the watercooling section's reviews right on this site should give you an idea that the quality of information out there is astounding, and so many review sites care so little about their quality of testing, and just want to rush it out so they can be googled like the rest.
Yea, lots of the review results really fluctuate on these coolers, some are good, some are bad.
My results are with the case fully closed and everything setup, and with lots and lots of reseating the cooler until I got the temperatures low.
I wanted a better cooler without going full water (I like the looks and aesthetics of Air fans a lot more than tubes), but were looking for a better CPU cooler, and nothing yet has bettered the one that I have.
I'm just never seeing anything significantly better than what I already have, also if I replace the extra fans on my cooler with high RPM ones, it would also improve, but I prefer to use 1200 RPM silent fans. So I'll try to lap, just the cooler at first, and then the CPU after Im onto my third year of the warranty if there still arent any nice 32 nm chips available.
Using the same fan (single Akasa 1200rpm pushing and exhausting), H70 in Lian-Li 7FNWX is on par with Venomous X in Antec 1200. In other words, H70 is just a little better than high-end air coolers.
all high end coolers are awesome. and i think ive said it twice in this thread alone and a few times back for the H50 reviews.
get one that fits your needs and goals, they are all a little different (except all the ones that look just like a TRUE)
It all depends on the load and the fans used. So far there haven't been any real apples to apples comparisons but its pretty safe to say that if you aren't space constrained a highend air cooler is probably better for both lower temps and noise, otherwise an allinone water cooling kit is the next best thing.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/co...d14-4-53ghz/4/
http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/up...o-the-hilt.png
http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/up.../08/3-fans.pngQuote:
Well this was closer than we thought, the Corsair H70 is only 2 degrees behind the Noctua NH D14 with the Vantage trailing by a further 5c. The Thermaltake frio sounds like a helicopter at high fan speeds so thankfully this test didn’t last too long.
What happens if we decide to add a third fan to the Noctua NH D14?
^^
God damnit, I want a 970 but its too much :(
Cheaper 32 nm chips soon please :(
Hate to revive an old thread but this is just too short to be a review.
I got mine yesterday and so far I am extremely happy with it. H70 worked really well in my system significantly reducing temps and noise. I eliminated 2 fans from the system. I am only using one Scythe SFF21F at 5V (600RPM) to cool my cpu xeon 3520 (aka i7 920) at stock speeds (3 ghz @ turbo). By removing the heatsink blowing hot air directly on the back of my 480 gtx, I also improve my gpu temps. Now CPU fan kicks in a lot later when gaming. A word of caution, I had the hardest time trying to fit the retention clip. It didn't fit my mobo even though it's a socket 1366 mobo. Supermicro X8SAX is not the most popular x58 mobo though. I can't vouch for overclocking situations but it works really well in my case.
Here's how it looks in my system (Note: you are looking at a H2g0 case from top)
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1050/39421632.jpg
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/349...er/index6.html
soooo according to tweaktown h70 is only half a degree better under load than h50? 0_o
I wonder how they mounted the radiator in their TEC setup... will start testing the unit as soon as the i970 arrives tomorrow
Another episode of useless consumer advice brought to you by tweaktown. You have no idea how easy is to screw up some tests. You don't even have to be very smart. :)
Waiting for your input Lee. Hoping to see an apples to apples comparison, noise wise, with a decent air cooler.
Tests will be conducted in a Lian Li case, air cooler Thermalright VenomousX, H50 & H70
CPU's : i875K (go go Massman), i950 & 970 (go go Gamer), 1090T... all at least at 4ghz...
Does anyone know if the Asetek 570LX is just a rebadged Asetek LCLC 240mm or are there real improvements?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakebite1969
If the former, it'd still be a better performer than the Asetek 570LC (very similar to the H70) right?
You do know, that Asetek manufactures the H70 and H50, corsair just slaps their logo on it, right?
Yes I do*, but that was not one of my questions.
Do you know how to answer them? Thank-you.
*although corsair is known to do further twks; at least in the case of the H50
Does no-one know?
An agent is in the midst of finding-out for me....
But if anyone knows the answer to these Qns in the interim.
Thank-you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
Since the thread is about the (Corsair H70 picture - Released tomorrow?) and your asking about another product, how about to open your own thread and ask the questionQuote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
I do have my own thread: 120-240mm AIO/sealed, low cost, WC systems
I'm just hoping some in this thread may have come across info. regarding these other models.
As they are also AIO/sealed LC loops....
May I ask the which is the correct orentation of the pump head on the chip.
I've seen pleantly of publicity shots where the corsair logo reads from left to right ( right being near the ram ) . BUT there are 2 flats cut from the copper mating surface on the head. meaning in this configuration you are not getting the best contact area. - has anyone noticed any difference ?
Thinking in any orientation the contact remains the same for the cores and the H70 not ? This solely regarding the contact with the IHS where the cores are located...
But some waterblocks perform better when at a 90°C angle... I'm recalling some people had better temps with the H50 at a 90°/180°c angle... wonder if the temp gain wasn't due to a better mount and not solely due to the orientation...
Anyone knows a reseller in Europe for Asetek watercooling kits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakebite1969
it may not be contact, but water flow direction. some cores might be a little warmer than others due to which get water first. i dont think there is any real worries, as far as i know the thing is flat, not bowed, which is the main reason some blocks like to be in a certain direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
The direction doesn't matter (or did not matter in my case). But my system on a horizontal case so I might be wrong. Still enjoying it tremendously, seeing 68C max load temps (under directx 11 gaming) on my stock i7-920 with only one 600 RPM fan installed.
I thought the contact area was different depending where the head is. When I've taken off the head from the chip, I can see the inprint of the chip. some times it is over a screw, .. or ot completely on the head. - maybe It's just me.