So, this is it. BP-6 reborn :D
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So, this is it. BP-6 reborn :D
Turned up to 11
SR-2? Somebody at evga loves Mass Effect too much :rofl: :ROTF:
Nice board Dave. Congrats. If you are willing to "risk" using a Silverstone DA1200 PSU drop me a PM. You already made a down payment on it. :p:
And I have access to a cherry-picked 5970 that would assist in the 3D benchmark apocalypse dept... if you're interested :)
I like the name.. I'd suggested "Movieman's Dream" because to be 100% honest, it is..
Been waiting 5 years for someone to make an overclockable dualie and God Bless them, EVGA stepped up to the plate.
the timing is perfect also as the 6 core Westmere's in this board will be absolutely huge for almost anything you can think of.
Want a rendering machine and can't afford a $1,000,000.00 Supercomputer?
This will fill the need nicely.
Like to Fold? Here's the board.
WCG like I do? I think this will be the first 100,000PPD machine.
It has so many possibilities that it's scary.
It can serve as a great 3D-render station, for sure. But put a couple of server-grade NIC into this MB, then the 12c/24t @4.6GHz :D can serve as a great enterprise server for many middle-size companies.
It has redundant CPU which is really impotent for reliability. Add a redundant RAID storage system, and a redundant power supply to it (both comes relatively cheap), and you will get pretty close to a mission critical server, with much more reliability than a single CPU system.
these guys could probably make good use of it... http://fastra2.ua.ac.be/
Yes, the performance side will always be steady increasing so it doesn't matter when to buy... But the feature set isn't.
The sole reason I'm specifically waiting for that gen are the AVX and FMA instruction sets. Those will make a HUGE difference on the programming side.
You don't get radical improvements like that in every generation.
(Of course nobody else will care since none of the major benchmarks use new features anyway...)
EDIT:
If I can use AVX and FMA well enough, then I'll show you more than 2x improvement between adjacent generations... :dj:
(That's assuming Intel and AMD implement "true" 256-bit vector units... which I kinda doubt they will on the first gen with the feature set...)
EDIT 2: I'm being a little too optimistic, but you get the idea.
Actually according to Intel here, 6Ghz isn't out of sight for 24/7 as it sounds...
Probably..or a lot of guys who take their WRs seriously would get heart attacks simultaneously :D
Well how long till they can get to hating?
We're all anxiously waiting for this thing to turn on... Even if we can't know the numbers yet. :wasntme:
(unless we secretly start tracking BOINC stats...)
Glad to see your having so much fun MM. If I see on the news about a black out on the east coast I'll know ya got it up! er I mean got it going. :rofl:
refreshing.... :D
Im expecting the mighty 32core opterons to fall shortly :) Since your 24 threaded monster is missing/seems awfully quiet. The only question that remains is...will you double the best daily or will the humiliation be even greater? :D
Your new system with these babies in the for sale thread from Gunslinger 4 x 5870's eK FB calling out to you "buy me" :slobber:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/IMG_1571.jpg
Of course you would have to step your PSU up to this guy a SILVERSTONE 1500W
http://www.silverstonetek.com/images...ST1500-3-4.jpg
That would make a big "owned" icon on everything HWBOT related :D
My system lost memorym rma came in this am..It will ba back up after I get some coffee in me and my eyes actually open.:D
scary and more $$ than I have to be blunt..Would like to borrow them though!:p:
And that would really be unfair to the guys there that work so hard for what they get.
I will submit scores but more to show what this can do than for the "glory" part.
Now there isd one bench that I want to really show where this beast will shine:
Cinebench 11.5.. I know what these chips can do at default 3458 on that benchmark.. At overclocked speeds you will dampen your undies when you see the numbers..:rofl:
Here's the deal;
The W555 board is 13.58" tall by 15" wide and doesn't fall into any extablished protocol although most of the standoffs hit the proper place on a XL-EATX motherboard tray but not all.
MountainMods got the spec for the motherboard tray and sent out the design to be machined and should be in stock on March 19..
That's the best info I can give you.
OK cool. Cheers movieman.
Thats a square kick in the nuts for us in the UK then because there isn't a case available to use without high import fees that will fir the motherboard correctly. I know you don't have to use a case, but dammit in my house evrything has to be locked up because my brother or pets will stick their paws in it.
Looks like I'm going to have to get a Pinnacle then.
24gig of RAM...oh my..we`ve come a long way :) and thats only 1gb per thread. which is normal :D
good to be an enthusiast on these times, first GT-R in car world, killing the competition 3x the cost, and now a 24 threaded moster stepping up in computing power to some serious big iron (dare i say 8 soc?)....great time indeed.
12 gig and that will be fine..
actually 6 gig for WCG is just at the edge and 12 will be perfect besides to use the memory I have coming and...oops...Well, you'll just have to trust me on this one..:D
let me guess.. starts with an S and ends with a D, one letter in between thats either S or D (definitely no a T)? :D
starts with 59 and ends with 70, nothing in between?
Just put it this way:
Dave hasn't been this excited since he, literally, was...a little kid in a candy store.
[tweek from southpark]Too much pressure![/tweek from southpark]
I would have thought 12gb would have been more than enough. Right now I'm running 12 cores fully loaded and WCG doesn't take up much more than 2.5gb. So just using rough calculations 24 threads would take up roughly 5gb of memory which would be less than half of 12gb.
Yeah... and cant forget to try this.. and that might take a good bit of RAM, but I'd think you could get by with 12gb.
nope
SHHH you!:slap:
Boy, we lost you, we're talking memory not video cards!:p:
definately.. Alexander(poke) is one hell of a nice kid and smart too.
Already killed most of the records at stock speed, just not posted yet..:rofl:
OOPS, did I say that..:wasntme:
Crazy old man :sofa:
to think of the amount of sleepless nights and tweaking it took for them... :D
24-threads of F@H -bigadv or 24-threads of Collatz might need more than 12GB.
No, to think that over in Japan there is a wealthy College Professor that has a maxxed out W5590 gainestown system with 64 gig of memory( I think) and I killed him with my W5590's, then when these hit,ahh, well if you see some crazed guy headed to my house with a samurai sword in one hand and a flag with a red circle in the middle for God's sake call and warn me!:rofl:
Beware teh BAN HAMMER! :eek:
To all;
I'm at that point right now where all the other needed parts are in transit and should be here by next Wednesday then things will start to take off.
Don't want everybody feeling like they have to jump over here every time a post is made.
Beleive me, I'm wanting this beast up and running but for something like this a lot of high end parts were needed to be procured and that takes time.
Patience my friends it will happen and happen here first!:up:
Folks here are getting a bad case of blue "CPUs" waiting for some benches and screenshots.
Very very nice dude
Just came across these for those folks with the big MountainMods cubes:
No, drooling is not allowed..:rofl:
Slick huh?
http://www.mountainmods.com/images/10PCI_SR2.jpg
http://www.mountainmods.com/images/WATXPAN.jpg
nononononono... :shakes::shakes::shakes::shakes:
I'm the one with the puny 64GB of ram on a pair of crappy Harpertowns...
That professor has maxed out W5590's with a more respectable 144GB of ram.
@ Dave: Stop flattering me so it doesn't get to my head.... :rofl::rofl::rofl:
I hate you now Dave :shakes:....how are you going to tease us like this.
My ext Ascension will be here monday; new mobo tray coming soon...Now this
who ever talked me into joining this forum:shakes: I think our name should be changed to....
hold on gotta go get a towel since drooling isn't allowed:ROTF:
These are fricken sweet :eek:, but I do not think I can properly utilize this for my current plan, unless I do something different:shrug:
I need to focus on mobo and cpu's first when they become available
I am guessing at least a $600 price tag on mobo if not a little more, but will be well worth it for a while:yepp:
:rofl:Ya see it's like this..We just slooooooowly reel ya in until your hooked so bad you can't get away.. and then you noticed that Dr. Sig hasn't been around much..That was planned..Not even his couch sessions to fall back on..
We got ya..
Now about that new house you'll need with the 2-12x20 rooms for your new W555 systems..:p:
^^^, I am slowly learning how it all works:rofl:
First it was Naekuh...now you:p:
Thats alright, I love it here and it all goes to a good cause in the end for me. Will be on WCG/gpugrid and main system
I guess I am easily pressured/suckered or whatever the word I am looking for is.:shakes: :ROTF:
You are just a intelligent, caring man who wants to usher in a new era of biomeical reasearch for the betterment of all humanity.
Do you send the check, or SC is sending you a check...so we can get a move on this project:ROTF: J/K I think you said you are just waiting for the parts to arrive.
"Ya see it's like this..We just slooooooowly reel ya in until your hooked so bad you can't get away.. and then you noticed that Dr. Sig hasn't been around much..That was planned..Not even his couch sessions to fall back on..
We got ya..
Now about that new house you'll need with the 2-12x20 rooms for your new W555 systems.. "
Never responded to this :ROTF: I think we need to rephrase this to: need to sell my current house to afford the systems:rofl: camp out in the neighbors backyard in a tent for shelter. at least the systems would be cool at night:ROTF:
I send the check, just give me your address..:up:
(makes check out for 11 cents)
Also to all, all needed parts on the way so this bad boy is looking like it is going to be done and done with some pretty snazzy parts..
Yes, that word is "snazzy" and unknown to those under the age of 50!:rofl:
Called my good friend Noah and asked to borrow his boat to keep the WCG team high and dry!:ROTF:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/515...arkreplica.jpg
Time for a teaser.
Since I'm now sure of whats coming I can toss out a teaser on the build;
It will be in a beauuuuutiful Mountain Mods Extended Ascension with a horizontal motherboard tray. Mirror Black.
The board you know..
Memory: 6x2 gig of Corsair DDR3-OMG GT's..I'd describe them better but every time I look at the page and the specs I drool AND wet myself and it's embarrassing after the 12th time in one day!
Then the PSU: IMHO the best there is: PCP+C 1200W..
Now all I own for video cards are two identical EVGA 260GTX 192 cards.
Excellent cards and more than I've ever needed but for testing a gentleman is making a trip down from Canada and bringing 2-5970 cards with him just to juice this up a bit.
OOPS, forgot..The cpu's..Without giving too much away I'll just say this: There aren't better that I'm aware of!
There damned sure aren't any faster at default with 6 cores. That I'll guaranty you.
Stay tuned, it will be interesting.:up:
Yes they are. All FB-DIMMs are ECC. :D
Actually, after having run it for more than a year now, the BIOS has yet to log a single memory ECC event. So this stuff is pretty reliable...
The only hardware errors I've ever gotten were when the NB overheated and when the motherboard burned out.
In correct. I only buy the best parts for my research [Right now Intel completely ignored several significant advancement in virtualization that AMD supports] Also You can't buy an Intel setup with hardware support for multiple address spaces and virtualized I/O Memory. [Something REQUIRED for super reliable computing]
Question, why would anyone even think about buying more than 4GB that Isn't ECC? Now unregistered ECC is one thing but losing the very protection and sanity check that any serious system requires just seems illogical to me.
Actually the algorithms are only part of the equation. Given enough Hard drive bandwidth and a smart enough compiler with hints; not much system ram is required.
[TOP SECRET] Lets just say I have something new in the mix [/TOP SECRET]
1. When the motherboard doesn't support ECC ram.
2. Ram is surprisingly reliable... Like I said, not a single ECC event in one year of torturing 64GB of ram.
3. I don't do any extremely long-running stuff on my small machines. So if a memory error occurs, software error-detection will catch it and I can simply run it again.
Highlighted the keyword go ya. :DQuote:
Actually the algorithms are only part of the equation. Given enough Hard drive bandwidth and a smart enough compiler with hints; not much system ram is required.
[TOP SECRET] Lets just say I have something new in the mix [/TOP SECRET]
1. It costs $1.50 [or less] in parts to ensure support for ECC be it AMD or Intel or Via. What self respecting Motherboard manufacturing company would skimp on $1.50 in parts that ensures it a place in the professional market?
Not to mention ECC Memory is only 9/8ths the cost of Non-ECC memory [or 12.5% more expensive] which is worth the added cost.
2. Actually Errors are alot more common than you think. [Most software only record errors that can't be corrected automatically] Now recent tests give error rates ranging from 10^-10 to 10^-13 error/bit·h, roughly one bit error, per hour, per gigabyte of memory.
Thus even with the BEST memory on Earth, you are guaranteed at minimum of 1 bit corruption Every 10 hours when talking more than 100GB RAM
3. Actually only about half of all errors will have any Real effect on a system [Even when talking about No Error detection or correction at all] And with the SMALL added price, ECC Ensures that the error rate moves to the lovely
10^-18 or to one error, per century, per 10 gigabytes of memory. [That can't be instantly corrected]
$1.50 a board?? Consider how many hundreds of thousands of boards you're looking at AND that they're aimed at home users who can deal with the odd wrong character in their email and that $1.50 suddenly costs them a LOT of money. It's the same reason car makers use non-galvanised screws inside cars when it would "only" cost them 0.1 of a cent per screw to use galvanised ones.
My Asus Rampage II GENE doesn't support ECC memory. If it did, I'd be running a W3520 + 6 x 4GB right now since ECC DDR3 4GB sticks is a lot cheaper than non-ECC DDR3 4GB sticks.
If memory errors are THAT common, then can you explain why my 12GB of ram didn't encounter a single error in 7 months of continuous torture? (overclocked as well)
Based on your statistics I should have had plenty of errors by now.
If an error were to occur one bit for every 10^13 bits transfered. Then with 4GB/sec usage (which is a very conservative estimate for Core i7), I should encounter an error once every 8*10^13 / (4*10^9) seconds which is about one error every 5 minutes.
Certainly that can't be right, or all the WCG people would be in trouble...
With 10^-13 error rate @ 4GB/sec, the probability of encountering an error in each hour is:
1 - (1 - 10^-13)^(3600 seconds * 8 bits * 4*10^9) = 0.9999900704956 = 99.999007%
I've been running it for 7 months now. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it's only sustained 3 months of memory intensive usage.
Then the probability of not encountering an error is:
(1 - 0.9999900704956)^(24 hours * 30 days * 3 months) = 2.30970653^-10807
which is about one in 4.3295543 * 10^10806.
I find that hard to believe.
If I made an error in the math somewhere, feel free to point it out.
Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the 10^-13?
On the software side, I use my own error-detection. (Mainly for catching CPU errors, but they work just as well for memory errors.)
Bit flips are obvious to catch because they propagate and produce non-sense data. (Although this is somewhat application specific.)
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~bianca/pa...gmetrics09.pdf
your error is in that it is measured in Bit hours [thus the bandwidth feeding the CPU isn't the determining factor]
Also I repeat Errors automatically corrected By ECC will not be reported. [Because reporting a non-issue is worse than worthless]
Dave, keep your dang thread clean and remotely on topic! :p:
http://www.realclearsports.com/blogn...rain-wreck.jpg
Does this board even require ECC? :rolleyes:
This is the WCG section where the friendships are more important than any silly rule like keeping on topic.
Besides, if I tried to do that in this thread I'd be the biggest hypocrite of all time!:rofl:
Either way, gaming memory or ECC..
ECC support is in the bios if you want to use it.
I think the big question should be: why isnt all memory ECC now?
Here's my calculations based on bit-hour:
Lemme know if I messed up again:
Assume I average 8GB of ram usage:
Probability of not encountering an error in one hour:
(1 - 10^-13)^(8 bits * 8 * 2^30 bytes) =
0.9931516101651806070663949027917378
Probability of not encountering an error in one day:
(1 - 10^-13)^(8 bits * 8 * 2^30 bytes * 24 hours) =
0.847955819523137202583397727187477
Probability of not encountering an error in one month:
(1 - 10^-13)^(8 bits * 8 * 2^30 bytes * 24 hours * 30 days) =
0.007098993078000191887076602721466
Probability of not encountering an error in 3 months:
(1 - 10^-13)^(8 bits * 8 * 2^30 bytes * 24 hours * 30 days * 3 months) =
3.5775874478084587076749241202893770 * 10^-7
or about one in 2.795 * 10^6.
k, it makes more sense now. One in 2.795 * 10^6 is still hard to believe. But that's with 10^-13 error rate.
If 10^-13 is what my non-ECC ram is rated for, then it's perfectly reasonable to believe that they were intentionally overbuilt to have a lower error rate than that.
Using 10^-14 as an error rate, the probability of not encountering an error in 3 months of sustained 8GB usage is:
(1 - 10^-14)^(8 bits * 8 * 2^30 bytes * 24 hours * 30 days * 3 months) =
0.226651723475289943371528045846591
or about 1 in 4.4...
Now we're talking. :D
I guess I'll try to get back on topic? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
I think evga is overstocked on six pin pcie connectors, first 4 way sli 285's, now this.
putting unnessary power connections every where will make it look crap when all cables are in
what form factor does evga call this, maby this: extra extra extra super retarded never fit in any case large-ATX or EEESRNFIACL-ATX
Things always appear different based on the perspective of the person looking.
What I see is that they put the extra 6 pin power connectors as close as possible to the areas that would benefit from that added power and only needed if one was using multiple high end video cards.
You may well have a point on the looks when all the cables are in place but I see function over form and in the end, it is function that matters.
The board is 13.58"x15" and isn't to any form factor.
Some are calling it WATX.
Reality is a XL-EATX MB tray will work with some minor mods.
If you look at the board as I have and closely you find that they needed all of this space. The board is packed and that answers why the size.
People miss that dualies require more than the space to slap in another cpu socket and 6 more dimm slots. the cpu's not only communicate with the board as in a single cpu setup but also with each other.
last, it's not for everyone. Expensive and very expensive to build a full out system with all the goodies but it is for those people who want what it offers:
A monster benching system, a overclockable dual 1366 system(me)
A huge encoding or rendering system and finally yes, THE system for the guy that wants the biggest E-PEEN in the world..:rofl:
But the slow down can be significantly minimized should a vendor such as G.SKILL or OCZ just start binning and selling ECC Sticks
Given those assumptions [Which may or might be off by a factor of ten]. Your calculations are correct.
Also that is assuming the firmware tracking Error rates, reports single bit errors and tracks them [Which I find highly unlikely]
:):):) Looks Like A very nice mobo
Dave; getting this rig up Wednesday or Thursday?
Oh, and I just cooked my rig for the past ~week. When I got back into the room, it was 82F or so in here.
Here's a mini-preview of the board, from our Romanian Fellas
http://lab501.ro/stiri/cebit-2010-ev...pentru-desktop
MM, you are gonna have to change avatar! I wet my pants everytime I see this board! I wish I could get a student loan for a rig based on this... lol
That board is hot! Any idea how many PPD it will push out?