this has been asked before but not answered, is there an asus 5850 bios floating around out there and if so does it have higher ccc limits?
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this has been asked before but not answered, is there an asus 5850 bios floating around out there and if so does it have higher ccc limits?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funky
can you post any temps under load and when idle?:up:
And, Shripad, what voltage did you need for that?
no asustop bios yet for 5850 but here is my standard powercolor 5850 bios if anybody wants to have a peek at it in rbe etc, 3d volts are 1.087
http://www.gbwatches.com/Cypress.bin
i tried to add the clock limit signature from the asus 5870 to the 5850 but it doesnt work. the signature save or read isnt functioning properly with these newer cards yet.
I know the voltage needed for 1000/1250 but i dunno want to chance flashing case mess my card :(
same questions......Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
Anbody getting degraded performance using 2x 5870 ???
I have two Gigybyte 5870 1GB the rest of my system is:
Gulftown @ stock
Asus Rampage II Extreme Bios 0077
3GB of cruical ram
Corsair HX1000W (tested also with Infinity 720W)
Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
With one card i get a score of 19xxx in Vantage, but after i install the second card i only get 18K in vantage and 82K in 3DMark03...wth....
Im trying to resolve the problem for the past two days with no luck, i also tried drivers from CD, Ati site and 9.10 beta...?
Both cards run fine when not in CF.
Anybody else got any clue to what to try more?
I have a ASUS 5870 and Powercolor 5870, but crossfirex fails.
if start something put load on the VGA's, the system reboot and get this error:
HyperTransport Sync Flood Error
how to fix it
system is:
Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 3400
ASUS M4A79T dlx -
2x 2048 Gskill Trident 2000
Corsair TX850
Try waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shark-357
Seriously, current drivers are USELESS for Crossfire. Not much you can do about that...
Hopefully the official release's soon.
They are not usless. Crossfire with 2x Asus 5870 works flawless for me. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Tested, Crysis, Crysis warhead, NFS Shift, Operation Flashpoint (new), Fallout , and some other games + all the futuremark "games" :D
Overclocking with crossfire is no good for me then Can not get 1000mhz on core with crossfire on air. 1 card i get 1030mhz easy.
f*&% me sideways these 5800 series cards are powerful this is a single 5850 running at default voltys which on the 5850 is only 1.087 volts, wheras on 5870 its generally 1.16,running 820 core 1200 mem at 4600mhz ish on i7,
http://www.gbwatches.com/pics/5850first.jpg
5870 is 850 mhz core, 1.125v, 1200 mhz ram. At least thats what mine was.Quote:
Originally Posted by GLENBOY
t think yours is a good one then most 5870's run at 1.16 at 850 in 3d , the lower votage ones are the better so yours is a decent one
ah, I actually had to bump mine to 1.16v to get stability @ 1Ghz ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GLENBOY
1000Mhz is stable at 1.25v. For 1015, needed 1.27.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
About temperatures....
I dont plan to keep the card anywhere close to this :P
So this was done just for benching purpose. Temps were under 70 with fan speed of 63%.
Idle : I didnt check, will be trying to go more today or tomorrow, will report back.
Are you guys using a modded BIOS or the ASUS Bios for the other card to get past the 900 mhz core clock and the 1300mhz memor clock limtis. I have tried to use MSI afterburner and it will not let me overclock past 900 and 1300, I have also tried the AMD GPU clock tool and it has been sucking for me, anything over 900 crashes even with a good voltage increase. I see some using ATI's overdrive and having much higher clock limits something like 1300 core and 1500 memory, can anyone enlighten me on how to do such.
I had to flash to ASUS bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakethesnake011
AMD GPU clock tool did nothing for me.
Flashed asus bios and card has been flying ever since. It didnt even need voltage bump till 940Mhz, but I had same experience as you before I flashed. AMD GPU clock utility will crash when i set the card at anything over 900/1300.
where can i get this asus bios
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/5...24.090915.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Rattle
mine v.1225 for 975/1250 with original HIS BIOS
http://i38.tinypic.com/34dqslk.jpg
msi afterburner isnt working for me, I set the clocks and they automatically got back to what they are in CCC. Any clue what im doing wrong?
You have to flash to the Asus bios first to remove the overclock caps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner@Large
last night me and jcool were toying with 2 cards, crosfire gave us no problems but we didnt see much gain at all...waiting for new drivers i asumeQuote:
Originally Posted by Shark-357
Hi Destroyer, what score do u get with one card?Quote:
Originally Posted by destr0yer
I did some more testing last night with the card and i'me seriously thinking that my Vantage score is low due to CPU bottleneck. I thought PII 940 @ 3.6 would be enough. :(
I've tried everything...that i could think if at least.
My GPU performance score is 12100 in vantage.
Sure no problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by NanoBullet
I know some people are having low Vantage scores on their systems.
I was investigating this together with AussieFX but so far we don't know much.
Anyway here are my scores:
Phenom II @965 speeds (3400MHz) HD5870 default
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1454977
3DMark Score P13764 3DMarks
CPU Score 11128
Graphics Score 14944
A bit OCed Phenom II @3840MHz and HD5870 900/1300
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1440530
3DMark Score P15254 3DMarks
CPU Score 12736
Graphics Score 16331
So my score is below par then (PII 940 @ 3.6 with DDR2 800mhz. The 965 is an AM3 right? So u will be running DDR3? Do u think that would make a 2000 point difference in Vantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Damn, we intend to bench with LN2 this saturday, but the way things are going now its gonna be a waste of LN2....Quote:
Originally Posted by billdavis
The weird thing is i sometimes get weird artefacts in Vantage when running CF.
Today i will try with bios 1504 for RIIE with bloomfield... if that doesnt work i dunno... the only thing i can do is to flash both cards with Asus BIOS if that will maybe resolve the problem :shrug:
I get around P15000 as well with pII 955 3,7ghz, 2,4ghz NB and 1600 7-6-6-20 ram, 5870 @ 1000/1300...Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
with 950/1300 and unoptimized drivers (mipmap high quality, 8xAA edge detect, AAA and 16xAF on, though i think Vantage doesnt realize these settings) i get
3DMark Score P14149 3DMarks
CPU Score 12708
Graphics Score 14705
Also AM3 which has better mem bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
Anyone here with a PII 940?
hehe OT but today i will get EK supreme cooler for the cpu and a mora radiator, will see how high i can bench the cpu then :)
You definately should be getting a better score. I'm running a PII 955@3800 on an AM2+ board(GA-MA790X-UD3P) with DDR2@1066 and I get the following score on an 5850 running 835/1080:Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Total: P14445
GPU: 14979
CPU: 13049
mora = bigger then my monitor :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
I'm running Windows 7 x64 (rtm).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennet
Which OS are u using?
My CPU score is 12x00 which seems about right.
Same OS as you are with the 8.66RC6 drivers from the AMD website.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Man, now i'm stumped. I think i'll uninstall Vantage and reinstall it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennet
Maybe a setting in my bios with PCI-E needs to be changed.
Do u guys think it's worth it to upgrade to this mem? I'm currently running vanilla DDR2 800 which is impossible to OC.
http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/T...6-8500C5DF.pdf
Corsair TWIN2X4096-8500C5D/CMD4GX2M2A1066C5 , Dominator , with DHX technology , Nvidia SLi certrified with EPP , designed for nForce 590/680 SLi , 2 x 2G/2048mb kit , ddr2-1066 ( pc2-8500 ) , CL5 , 2.1v , with heatsink - 240pin - lifetime warranty
imo not worth it, save up and get a good ddr3 board + ddr3 ram seeming it'll last longer buddy, don't think it would make that big of a difference to warrant the cost
have you tried just reinstalling your os, sometimes i do that time to time cos my perfrmance can sometimes just DIE for no reason,
I might just take that route, but i not to keen to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
Thanks Mate. I'm still waiting for my 5870, but now i know that if i get a low score in vantage is due to my AMD Phenom 940 System.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
<- win7 x64 rtm as well...
Maybe the mem controller on the AM3 is much better than the 940. :shrug:
Another guy on TPU is having the same issue with similar specs.
Nice score but i the 955 is an AM3 CPU with the new controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
I need someone with the AM2+ 940 to compare.
as soon as i get it i will post results so you can compare them!
kinsa tuff when there isnt a Higher limit bios for the 5850 yet, MSI said there gonna realse one. they released one for the 5870 the other day that gives it ax core of 1800 and 2600 on memQuote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=306272
Just look at my sig. or read System Info in my links ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Now I know that common theme for low score guys is Windows 7 x64...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shark-357
Well i tried:
-1504 bios for RIIE + i7 920
-Install Vista Ultimate 32-bit and Windows 7
-flash cards with asus bios
-changed CF bridge
-changed psu
-tried all availble drivers
-tried a few ram modules (corsair, cruical, take MS)
And its still the same crap... artefacts and decreased performance when running Crossfire...
:banana::banana::banana::banana:ing unbelivable, after spending 700€ on this POS....:shoot:
is it overheating or is it just du to the fact there isnt actually a good driver yet?...
wait for 9.10 :)
http://www.techpowerup.com/rbe/
Revision history
v1.22
•Added clock tuning wizard.
•Changed fan controller bug workaround settings' description to point out what it does a little better.
•Improved program's startup routine.
•Fixed "GetClockPos reported 0"-error that came up on loading several 4xx0-BIOSes.
•Added preliminary support for Radeon 5870. Note that I'm still not sure about 5850's DeviceID and that signature saving and loading will most likely not work properly on 5xx0s with this version. Furthermore, VT1165 programming is not functioning yet.
3Dmark vantage performance: ~14000Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
3Dmark 2006: 19200
cpu: 3800
nb: 2800
mem: 1600 8-8-8-22 1T
vga @ 900/1300 (max values in catalyst)
windows 7 x64 rtm
no tweaks, just normal settings
and yes, this cpu is limit the graphics, specialy in cpu score:(
other score:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=12162278
cpu: 3400
nb: 2400
mem: 1333 7-7-7-20 1T
vga defaut
Thanks for the Asus bios flash tip, did that to my GB card and now I can OC past 900. It needs 1,275V for 1Ghz though so it's not a good one eh?
Anyway, I am getting crappy scores in Vantage as well. P18200 with the card at stock clocks, P20000 with the card at 1000/1300. CPU score is 36500 (Gulftown @ 4Ghz) so that kinda sucks :(
I compared my scores to Bills and I roughly got 20 FPS less than him in the two GPU tests, so something is off there. May be due to the OS? I'm on Vista 64, he's running Win 7 64 :shrug:
Oh well, I guess we need a new driver... like Bill already said we experienced severe FPS drops in Vantage with 2x 5870, we got a pretty crappy score there too.
Edit: 3D06 shows good performance, 26k at stock GPU. Would need more CPU mhz for the GPU tests ofc ;)
ok this might not help, but I have had similar problems with crossfire on Vista 32 bit. Have you tried any 64bit operating system? 32bit would give me odd screen flickering / corruption while running 3d apps with crossfire enabled. Nothing like that on 64bit Windows 7. I didnt try to debug the issue on 32bit as I had it on my old hdd which i use for suicide bench runs :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Shark-357
does anyone tried to flash a 5850 with the 5870 bios?
would it help to unlock the other 160 shaders left?
sorry for my english tkx
ummm i dont think it will work man...you will get a expensive brickQuote:
Originally Posted by H3llSp4wN
but it is up to you
so far i am good at 950/1300 just using asus bios and 65% fan speed. pretty damn happy, i'll keep pushing see where she tops out at stock volts.
thanks Funky :up:
sorry noob question, how do i raise gpu voltage on my 5850?
should i flash my bios to run over 775 / 1125?
please noob need guide here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Funky
Well one of the cards finally give up and died... So i guess that was the problem im getting an replacement.
wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by barong
need patience.
no programs out yet nor bios for overclocking.
For the 5850, you need to use AMD GPU Clock Tool, and MSI Afterburner. There's nothing else out for it at the moment.
I can't wait for the ASUS bios for the 5850, hopefully my 5850 will get here monday, I am interested in some benches, after seeing how the phII is showing some odd numbers in vantage.
There's something else floating around out there that we don't have access to (GPUTool, perhaps). Frankly, the MSI Afterburner doesn't work reliably for the 5850 (regardless of BIOS) with regard to voltage increase. It gets reset by AMD GPU Tool, and even at random during the clock switch to 3D.
I guess we'll have to keep waiting - the only way some reviewers were able to hit 1000+ on the core with 1.3v was with tools that are not publicly available. That's my gut feeling, for now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theta
My HD5870 is doing 1Ghz @ 1.162v, flashed to Asus bios and using MSI After Burner. But it's also water cooled.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=208
spot on theta, i have the 5850 and mine i had the voltage upped once that showed in the monitor window but that was it, all bioses which are publically available the 5 posted on techpowerup are all the same bios regardless of brand , and i tried one just to be sure so as you say we either need a newer bios like asus etc or gputool not the amd one but the techpowerup one, come on someone help us guys out:yepp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theta
thats extremely nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
that clocking up/down with msi tool is right, but it doesnt occur if u exit msi afterburner. i only use that tool together with unlocked ccc its very handy and reliable. AMD GPU clock tool is the thing that bugs around...
Guys, i experience some scary thing today. Running at 1gig/1300 @ 1,3v as all the time, gpu @ 46°C at full load and vrm @ 80°C, suddenly i noticed my radiators fans spinning up.
i had everest running in the back first time.. i just spotted vrm's 126°C and i manually shut down all 3d windows and restartet.. wonder what was happening. didnt look at gpu-z though or anything else, gpu-temp seemed normal if i remember right, but water temp was higher then normal and fans blowing, although vrm temp doesnt affect the water since they are passively cooled...
i suspect everest... although it was running for an hour before in the back and all was ok.. will see.....
whats the heat output like with these cards, real world, 5870 vs 5850 any difference? whats it like comparing them to the 4870x2 space heater :)
space heating capabilities have vanished somewhat xD more like dual card rendering, single card heating xD
woot to that
So I just want to make sure, but I can use RBE to flash my XFX card with the Asus BIOS, correct?
RBE is to edit your bios. Just grab the Asus bios and flash it. I backed up my MSI bios with GPU-Z.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Will winflash work?
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?p=15022061Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
I used those files and followed those instructions.
Yeah I saw that, just use to winflash. Oh well, guess I will try it that way. Thanks for the quick response Dnottis.
Given I came from using a 4870x2 for over a year, I can say its a improvement (it uses a tad more at load then the X2 did at idle :rofl:) My room doesn't get really hot anymore which is nice for a change. However it just started snowing here so...Quote:
Originally Posted by F.stop
I haven't done much more testing with the gpu clocks but I've found the card hard locks the machine when playing GTA4 regardless of voltage yet I was able to play Crysis no issues for a few hours straight (GTA 4 it would hard lock in 1-5 min ) Funny enough I've been playing a lot of Daiblo2 which is just ironic given its one of the oldest games I own and runs on a wrist watch :rolleyes: I honestly haven't found the gains overclocking noticeable enough to warrant the extra noise and heat to be honest but I will reserve judgment until drivers mature.
tonight i'll flash ASUS bios...well i'll report LATER...
btw interesting finding:
setting ramspeed to 1320 results in 1318,8mhz AND LOWER VGPU NEEDED!
I can use 1000mhz gpu @ 1,25v now if ram is set to 1318,8 instead of 1300. I resolves this "stripy" screen thing or at least loweres vgpu needed to avoid stripey screens...
Is there a way to disable gpu recovery in catalyst 9.10 rc9 ?
5870 @ 1000/1300
http://i36.tinypic.com/24oosvc.jpg
4ghz i7
win 7 64bit
5850, 860/1150.
P vantage.
http://www.svensknlp.nu/databilder/15k++.PNG
Flash was easy as pie. Thank you to the person that created this thread and the flashing guide at the beginning of the thread.
First overclock, I will play with it more tonight. Stock voltages.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/628...erclock.th.jpg
as the echo of the voice, join the dark side runs deep into the core to unlock the power,
Unwinder from Rt and msi afterburner solved the issue,
5850, 1ghz, 1.2v 4ghz i7 4 cores HT off.
http://www.svensknlp.nu/databilder/1ghz.PNG
Nice but can you say to us how doing that ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
With which tool ? I thought i would have needed a unlocked bios to do that ! :shrug:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread....40#post3305540
add string to afterburner.[worked for my card]
load afterburner set volt, and then amd gpu tool to set clocks.
No bios flash.
Tried 3dmark06, but crashed at 1.2v, set it at 1.225 and then it run trough,
got 24266p
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=12183310
I had displaying flashing when I tried to OC just the core with the AMD GPU tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Flashing works perfectly for me
Ok , thanks . It works very well but not in crossfire . In fact i can not use amdgputool to set clocks of the second gpu : instant freeze ( under vista 64 ) even if i increase by 1 mhz the second gpu ! :yawn2:Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
I wait impatiently an asus or unlocked bios .
yea when there is a bios for 5850...Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
u got 5870 totally different story as far ;)
I guys i'm going to leave my score here!
System:
Amd Phenom II 940 @ 3612
nb@2.8
mem ddr 2 @ 1066
XFX 5870 @ stock clocks
Ati driver: downloaded the ati recomended driver from amd website.
I would like to know your opinion because from what i see comparing to
others users with phenoms my score looks to be a bit higher @ gpu score
in ati catalyst in performance/quality i left it on balanced (hope you guys did the same, so we can compare even systems)
cpu score: 12481
gpu score: 15918
link: http://service.futuremark.com/result...&resultType=19
I left all settings in vantage that came by default!
I'm using fresh windows 7 rtm x64 install.
One question, @ gpuz 0.3.5 to all of you from what i've seen it appears
sub vendor ati, mine it already appears XFX Pine Group don't know why, i thought it would appear ati (since all for now are the same "reference")
5850 @ 1000/1300, Xeon W3520 @ 4.2 Ghz.
- 3DMark06 :
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7193/3dm0610001300.jpg
- 3DMark Vantage :
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/718...ge10001300.jpg
Henry, are you having to put a lot of voltage through the GPU to hit those Mhz? That's pretty good to have a HD5850 that overclocks to what the HD5870 overclocks too, just wondering if you are putting insane amount of voltage through it and also what type of cooling.
Utnorris : vgpu 1.2v, stock cooling (fan 100%).
Seriously? It takes me 1.3v to hit those on the HD5870. Don't make me regret my choice. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Henry
my 5870 need 1.25v to hit GPU 1000, here's the SSQuote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
http://i36.tinypic.com/33otul5.jpg
5870 @ 1075/1200 1.29 volts
Q9550 @4.17
19019 GPU Score
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7729/31911428.th.jpg
Ok, so here are some benches at 1.3v and 4.6Ghz:
929/1243 3DMark06
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/628...erclock.th.jpg
929/1243 Vantage
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1016/929124346.th.jpg
957/1272 3DMark06
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8176/957127246.th.jpg
957/1272 Vantage
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5...7127246.th.jpg
998/1298 3Dmark06
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/898...8129846.th.jpg
998/1298 Vantage
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6...8129846.th.jpg
1021/1298 3DMark06
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/672...1129846.th.jpg
1021/1298 Vantage
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4...1129846.th.jpg
Not bad, but there is more there, way more. :D
Sapphire HD5850 @1ghz (1.25v/41C max)
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4...ishigh4xaa.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6580/cimg3690z.jpg
At this stage can those that have had success sum up their preferred tools used for 5870/5850 and get jared to update the op maybe?
Im not sure whats getting the job done and whats not :shrug:
I got a sapphire 5870 after reading here so thx for the posters experience
I know exactly what you mean, great card for the time but i didnt like the heat output at all. atm id say 5870 is about half as hot which is a v.good thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Chickenfeed