Thank you for the Link to new BIOS 303.
As far as I can say, there is no improvement in overclocking. Max BCLK is still 214 with my CPU.
But this Board still rocks!
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Thank you for the Link to new BIOS 303.
As far as I can say, there is no improvement in overclocking. Max BCLK is still 214 with my CPU.
But this Board still rocks!
Hey crash welcome back,how was your Holiday/vacation ?:)
Yeah this board is great,runs a bit snappier with the 0303 bios,also for every1
using nvidia cards, theres a new driver out that kicks butt..:)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_wi...0.38_whql.html
Grrr, we gonna have to wait months for another update maybe, and all we may get is a cpu microcode update again, sigh! Feel like swapping the board out and using my classified until these P6T7 bios file mature. Probably will
How many users here have contacted Asus about turbo throttling issues with the P6T7? Juan Jose is the Asus rep here on XS and he was very helpful getting this issue fixed for the Asus P6T Deluxe v1.
illuminatiASUS
Contact him. Be polite and let him know that this is a problem for you. Last time I talked with him they were considering releasing special bios versions to correct turbo throttling issues on some of their other P6T motherboards but if you don't ask for it, they might not bother releasing it.
Edit: Two weeks ago this is what JJ had to say about the P6T v2 boards:
"Hopefully if things slow down a little in our RD / Bios team we will be able to provide it within the next 2 weeks. There might be a possibility that we will release this updated bios (non release as a test bios only) for all P6 Variant boards."
A fix might be a lot closer than you realize. The P6T Deluxe v1 is a great board now with the special release 0006 bios.
hope that we get newer bios then 0305
i dont know maybe more uCode Updates lol
This thread has died, just writing something to keep it alive!
I'll help - just bought the motherboard, and I wonder do I need to change TIM on it?...
Turbo throttling on this board is worse than P6T6. Multiplier is 20.5 on 3520 running Linpack. (CPU drops from 4200 to 4100). Also for some strange reason this board brickwalls at about 200 BCLK. The pipes get hot too!
any newer bios then 0305 arround the world?
Bios Beta Version 0402 for the Asus P6T7WS.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view...d=1287440&da=y
The word from Asus was that they do not intend to publicly release a bios that disables turbo throttling on any of their P6T series of motherboards. Hopefully they will secretly release a few more one off specials like bios 0007 and 0006 that successfully fixed turbo throttling on the P6T Deluxe v1 boards. If any more special bios versions come my way, I will be sure to share them.
I'd like to know the reason why the multiplier throttling occures. Is it because of the way it works, or there is another reason like high temps or insufficient voltage?
Here' what the Intel Turbo White Paper has to say:
http://download.intel.com/design/pro...ots/320354.pdf
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1.2 Dependencies / Algorithm
Intel® Turbo Boost technology core frequency upside availability is ultimately constrained by power delivery limits, but within those constraints, it is limited by the following factors:
• The estimated current consumption of the processor
• The estimated power consumption of the processor
• The temperature of the processor
The number of active cores at any given instant dictates the upper limit of Intel® Turbo Boost technology. For this discussion, a core is considered ‘active’ if it is in the “C0” or “C1” state; cores in the “C3” or “C6” state are considered ‘inactive’. The upper limits will vary on a per processor number basis.
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On the P6T based boards, Asus followed the Intel design spec and didn't give users any way to disable turbo throttling. Other motherboard manufacturers decided to turn off this protection so users could overclock as high as they want without any issues and other boards give you the option to enable or disable this feature in the bios.
ok so it's not just the temps but also the current and the power the cpu consumes (thoough I don't see the difference between the two)... Thanks for the link, unclewebb! I get it now.
I believe the official numbers by default are 100 amps or 130 Watts.
is there an new beta bios out?
i think i saw beta 0404 on a china site
maybe A?????Z can help or i was blind
How to set the cpu voltage below 1.4v?
I set it to 1.25v but it reads as 1.4v in hardware monitoring section in bios or cpuz ...
EDIT: nevermind, the OV_CPU switch was enabled :cool:
I’ve been watching this thread for some bios fixes for the turbo throttling and hopefully an improvement of the max BCLK. I like the quantity and spacing of the PCIe 2.0 x16 slots.
My question, has anyone successfully used four separate Nvidia GFX cards (quad-SLI) on the P6T7 or is it even possible to run quad-SLI on four separate GFX cards? The drivers work with four GPU’s (2X295’s).
You're limited to 2 or 3-way SLI with single GPU cards. Quad SLI == 2x GTX295. A friend is running a pair of GTX295's in a P6T7 and gaming with quad SLI.
I run 4x GTX295 cards in a P6T7 folding rig, but this is not an SLI config, a max of 2x GTX295's are supported for quad SLI. A couple of pics of this setup are in this other thread, EK-FC295 GTX Single PCB - Released!.
I have this motherboard, a i7 965, and some Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3-1866mhz memory... I'm a noob at core i7 overclocking - can someone help me get to 4GHz?!?!?!?!!
1. Spread Spectrums, speedste, c-state, c1 - disabled
2. Ai overclock tuner - manual
3. cpu ratio 20
4. BCLK - 200
5. dram frequency - ddr3-1600
6. cpu voltage - 1.3v
7. memory settings to the recommended ones set manually
8. run prime95 small ffts 8 hours to see if you'r stable
you have an unclocked cpu multiplier I guess so you may try different cpu/bclk ratios
Good Luck
King,
Before I posted, I tried:
disabled all spread spectrum settings, speedstep, etc
cpu ration 20
BCLK - 166
dram frequency - ddr3-1600
cpu voltage 1.3v
configured my memory timings/voltage accordingly
But even with those settings, the system would not boot (bluescreen almost instantly).
Are there any additional voltage settings (IOH, etc) I need to change? Also, for cooling purposes, I have a Thermalright IFX-14 with two120mm fans. I also have one rear 120mm and two top mounted 120mm exhaust fans (one front 120mm intake). I think that should be enough to keep the i7 965 and case cool.
vannguyen0,
You may try uppping the cpu voltage and leaving memory timings on auto, but keeping the dram voltage at 1.64v. It is not necessary to change anything else I guess. It's strange though that you have a bsod at those settings.
Sorry man, idk what else to recommend you to do :shrug:
I have two P6T7 boards - one has a BCLK wall at 200 and the other goes much higher like my Classified. So it seems overclockability with these boards varies just like processors!
Highest I'd go on air translates to LinX temps <85C. If you need 1.45 (actual under load) vcore to be LinX stable but hit 95C that's too high.
What is the newest beta bios? anybody?
Hey, got a quick question about the esata ports. How would you "disconnect" an esata drive? There's no option to do so like you would for a usb drive.
Hey Guys
Got my new i7 950 and my P6T7 loves that Chip.
Max. BCLK so far 215 (I know, the Classified will do 230 or more...) with no extra tuning.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/fsxsettingsuyno.png http://www.abload.de/thumb/4600ramspeedhehn.png
QPI Voltage = 1.50
Se7en:
My P6T7 finally arrived, and in my haste, I booted the 02xx BIOS on the i7 975XE on it - instant "FF". Quickly switching to the i7 920 D0 and flashing to 0303 fixed that in a jiffy.
Cross-fire setup on my test jig:
http://forums.ocworkbench.com/attach...8&d=1251021806
Quote:
- Asus P6T7 SuperComputer (0303)
- Core i7 975 XE 3903Axxx
- 6GB San Max SMD-6G88N)-16H (Hyper)T Limiteds :)
- Crossfire 4870 *2 (790/1000)
- Corsair 620HX
Quick Bench:
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/668652.png
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=668652
This board is fantastic, all I can say :D
Hi guys, very interested in this board. But I don't want to have to shell out for another case - will it fit in my coolermaster atcs 840 case? I've been following this thread for a while, and know someone is running that config. Does the extra inch on the bottom fit on the slide out motherboard tray, or did it require some modding to get it in? This is the only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger on this. Thanks.
Your ATCS 840 Case is compatible with: ATX, microATX, Extended ATX.
The dimensions on the Supercomputer motherboard is 30.5 cm x 26.9 cm, and the form factor on it is: SSI CEB. Unfortunately i do not believe that it will fit your case. My self i got an tj07, and i got the same problem there(SSI CEB). If somone know if the standards on this two cases can hold the supercomputer, let me know! tnx
tj07 supports the SSI standart according to the official site:
http://silverstonetek.com/products/p...pno=tj07&area=
Before my P6T7 WS I had the ASUS Rampage II Extreme. Both MB have exactly the same size and mounting holes.
It has the exact same mounting holes as a normal ATX board. The CEB spec just allows them to build it slightly wider.
Yes, the holes are the same, I had to reroute a few cables a bit to get mine in an Antec 1200, the passthrough slots are a bit tight at the end of the MOBO.
I managed to frig up a P6T V2, I won't go into it heh, but got one of these open box off the egg for $319 and really like it so far.
When they say might not come with everything listed they weren't kidding, I got the MOBO only, but I can live with that :)
The board is about an inch longer than my ATX was, on the width.
Need to edit my siggy I guess :)
Nice system, nge769.
I see you are running a 975. Sweet.
I just purchased this board and a I7 920 D0. These will be placed in a Lian Li V2000 Plus case.
I want to overclock the 920 (hoping for 4ghz).
Can those of you who are using this board with a 920 tell us what speeds you are getting? Can you share your settings? Anyone using the Prolimatech Megahalems? Anyone watercooling? If so, have you found a mobo chipset block?
Thanks in advance.
Anyone?
The upper limit for the BCLK on the P6T7 seems to be around 210-220 so 4Ghz seems easily doable with a 920. Read through the thread to see the BIOS pics and configs people posted.
People are using both air and water.
There is no P6T7 chipset block yet although Duniek is apparently working on one. EK waterblocks would like to make one but availability of the board is scarce where Eddy is.
Thanks man and welcome..:) This board is still running flawlessly for me ,I haven't been around lately,I'm back now though.
Try the 402 bios,you can find it somewhere in this thread,it fixed the sleep issue for me,also put a memory fan on, its the best way to cool your nb/sb.
So,
have done some HT-on overclocking with this Mobo and my new 950 and here are the results. :D
http://www.abload.de/thumb/4600htstabled073.png
And test some more...
http://www.abload.de/thumb/4824mhztwk1.png
Thanks, everyone.
I feel better about my purchase (debated between this and the P6T6 - and I was a little anxious after reading about the new Classified 4-way SLI).
Guess I'll get the Prolimatech cooler, Enermax 1250 and some Corsair memory chips and cooler.
Nice results, crashmax.
I sure would love to see the settings of anyone who overclocked their 920 and P6T7 to 4ghz.
Thanks again.
The Classified 4-way would be more appealing if they hadn't gone with the XL-ATX form factor. That kills it in my book. It severely limits your case options with no discernible benefit.
The P6T7 needs a waterblock badly though.
We have a new official bios #0305 btw:
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_I...Lk&templete=2#
A non throttling bios on these would still be nice :)
:yepp:
I offered to send EK (spoke with Gregor I believe) a copy of the board in exchange for EK's involvement in producing the board water block as well as perhaps a free copy of it when one came out (after all it was a $450.00+ board at the time). I was declined or maybe misinterpreted. :(
... Duniek agreed though. :D
Max baseclock varies by board wildly! Out of two P6T7s the first one was a dud - could not even do 200 without failing to POST!
The second one will hit 211 before it starts getting flaky. 216 is about the limit with cranking voltages and I still cannot get it stable. :(
C'mon Asus and give us a GD BIOS that allows us to COMPLETELY disable this turbo throttling! :mad:
Last time I talked to Juan Jose, the Asus rep, he asked me what board should be next for a special bios and my reply was the Asus P6T7 WS. That was quite a while ago now and I haven't heard anything since. It took forever to get any feedback posted on the P6T6 website so maybe they have decided that this is not important or maybe they are just too busy working on their P55 boards.
I liked your quote so much that I just sent him an e-mail directly to remind him and let JJ know that there are still some Asus P6T users that are not happy with not having an option or special bios to disable turbo throttling. :(
If I ever hear back from them I'll let you know.
Hi there,
There's a new bios in the asus ftp directory, 0406 dated 10/26/2009;
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...-ASUS-0406.rar
(I can't say much about it now, but I had a hell of a job to get my ocz 250 turbo ssd running on this board with bios 0402 and previous versions).
P6T7WSSC, 975, 12gb ocz 1600 gold, 2x asus gtx 295, 2x raptor 300, ocz 250 turbo ssd, creative xfi, sony bluray, sony dvd/rw, 1250w coolermaster, corsair h50 push/pull fans.
Throttling is still present. (No surprise there!)
See another option under fan control called ultra silence.
My uncore overclocks seem to be far less. Had to set to AUTO just to get POST...
Still need the option to turn off the silly turbo throttle!
Was excited at first as it does allow me to set the multi to 21 (W3520) but as soon as I fire up Linpack the multi drops right to 20X. :mad:
I'm back to 0402. 0406 is no good for me it has issues,sleep function wont work and after a hard shut down it wouldn't post,it said overclocking failed,the problem is i wasn't overclocking,lol.
any infor bios support for Xeon W35XX series...? I have plan buy this board...!!!
The ASUS BIOS will do this any time you abort a startup - i.e. hold down the power button during POST or kill power. It's their fail safe in case you overclock too aggressively and need to POST. (avoids nuisance CMOS resets, etc.)
But yes this BIOS has NO UNCORE overclocking whatsoever. 2X DRAM speed is IT.
Does anyone know if the P6T7 gigabyte NICs have Jumbo Frames?
I just got word from JJ at Asus that they continue to work on a special bios for this board that disables all turbo throttling issues.
"Additionally as a side note we are working on one for the P6T7 WS but this boards VRM design is different due to it being part of the Workstation line. I will let you know as soon as I have more information."
I'll post a link in this forum if I ever get my hands on it. :D
I hope someone releases a full body water block for the P6T7. Anyone know if one has been released?
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1nq4wuny2ng
It's here guys. :up:
Finally a special bios to disable turbo throttling on the Asus P6T7 WS.
The bios version number is 0052 and is dated today's date, 11/05/2009.
These special bios versions do not follow the same numbering sequence as the regular bios versions so always go by the date that CPU-Z displays.
When testing, start by using the latest tools:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip
Run Prime 95 or LinX and CPU-Z to make sure that it's reporting this new bios version in the Mainboard tab. For consistent results when testing, I recommend that you disable all other monitoring applications such as Everest, CPUID HW Monitor and any gadgets in your side bar that are monitoring. Some of these programs use the system timers in a not so friendly manner and can interfere with the results recorded by i7 Turbo. When you are finished testing, monitor your computer with whatever application you like.
Post some screen shots and if you are having any turbo throttling issues, turn on the log file option in i7 Turbo and send the log file my way so I can send some feedback to Asus.
Happy testing.
You're welcome.
Update: Unfortunately, the Asus P6T Deluxe v2 0001 special bios that was also just released to cure turbo throttling has not been successful. I hope this one works out better. Post some results and send me an i7 Turbo log file if you are still having any turbo throttling issues so I can forward the details to Asus.
i'm doing 150x28@1.3625v on my 975XE.
my ambient is 31C with TRUE and 2 sflex-G fans. my temps idle temp is around 47C, load is around 93C. is this normal?
i have already lapped both my CPU and HSF.
wondering if i have a lemon chip. these temps are based on 0406 bios.
oh btw, i dont have turbo function. i dont seem to be able to find it. the only time it shows up is when i set AI tuner to auto.
Let me say it this way.
Since you have a very expensive 975 cpu I'll assume you have a fair amount of discretionary income and thats good to know because you'll be replacing that cpu far before you plan to.
Bluntly: Anyone that runs at that high a temp is in my opinion OUT OF THIER FRIGGING MIND!
If you can't get it down to below 65C loaded then either upgrade your cooling or return the chip as defective.
When you are running a Core i7 CPU air cooled at 4.2 GHz with an ambient temperature of 31C, it's not too surprising that your core temperature is up into the 90C range when fully loaded, hopefully with LinX.
Is that a big number? Yes it is. :yepp:
Is that a bad number? I don't think so. If Intel thought this was a dangerous number then they would lower the thermal throttling point of these chips and your CPU would start to slow down but that usually doesn't happen until a core temperature of 99C or 100C. You are still running your chip within spec at this temperature. Of course the MHz are a little beyond the original design spec but Intel put an adjustable multiplier in these expensive chips for a reason; so the end user could do some easy overclocking without having to think too much. Just increase the multi and away you go.
If you don't run LinX 24/7 then you'll probably be just fine as is. If you do run LinX 24/7 and it goes ka-boom, no worries. Intel puts a 3 year warranty on these things because they know how reliable they are, even at some extreme looking temperatures.
As long as your computer is stable and not thermal throttling then I don't think there's any reason to worry about the core temperature. All Intel Core CPUs are well designed to look after themselves.
I'm currently piecing together my system and won't be able to test the bios for at least another week or two. Curious to hear other member's test results.
On a separate issue, I was wondering if any members who successfully overclocked their I7 920 cpu to 4Ghz might be able to post and share their bios settings?
Thanks in advance.
This board has really inspired me and I finally built my dream machine.
Since I use this for work (trading) as well as games, the system had to be stable, sustainable, and supportable by me.
I give you Dr. Theopolis.
Processor: Core i7 975
Case: Thermalright Xaser VI
Motherboard: Asus P6T7 WS Supercomputer
CPU Cooling: Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 Copper (lapped)
CPU Fans: Scythe UltraKaze 2000rpm on push & Scythe UltraKaze 3000rpm on pull
Memory: Corsair Domintator 6GB Triple Channel 1866MHz w/fan
Graphics: Two Sapphire Radeon 5850 in Crossfire
Hard Drive: Two Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB
Sound: Creative X-Fi Titanium w/ Logitech G51 speakers in 5.1
Case Cooling: Six Xigmatek 140mm 1435 fans on Sunbeam Rheobus
Additional Cooling: 2 Scythe Slipstream 1900rpm fans on Zalman MFC-3 controller (also controlling CPU and Memory cooling)
Display: Four Dell 2408 24" Ultravision monitors each on independent Ergotron arms
Backup: HP MediaCenter 495 w/ 6TB storage
Video of system disco at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auR3bYKloD0
To answer the obvious question: It isn't loud at all. That's why I put the fans on rheobus controllers and none of the fans are clicking, buzzing, whistling, or whatever cheap fans are supposed to do when you drop voltage. That said, I have a couple SanAce fans on order to replace the UltraKaze fans.
I'll post real pics as soon as possible.
In the meantime, a question: How can I get better performance out of this system in a sustainable way? Here are the stats:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2619/...043e7f2a_o.jpg
I'm reasonably certain I can achieve the same (or better) clock speed at lower heat. So far, I've only messed with the following settings:
CPU Multiplier: 23
BCLK: 186
PCIE: 101
IOH Voltage: 1.15
DRAM: 1858HMz
SpeedStep: Off
Everything else is auto or default.
The voltage seems high and hot. How do I bring that down and still keep performance?
Please bear in mind this is my first OC and my first build. I've spend months reading the boards and weeks just on OC posts, but most of this still perplexes me.
I'd appreciate anyone generous enough to provide advice.
I would say it's normal but not really acceptable. My temps when @4.2ghz are close to yours under Linx.
By the way, if by the "load" you ment the normal load (windows, gaming etc) and you get 93C at it, then it's not normal. Also, as practice has shown, lapping an i7 doesn make a big difference in temps.;)
You just need to experiment with different voltage/BCLK/Cpu multiplier combinations and find the one that suits you best - that's all. Set the cpu voltage manually, btw. 30-45mins of LynX is the best way to test it for stability. :)
ok, here's the irony.
prime95 small FFTs = 93C
prime95 blend = 82C
normal daily usage avg = 73C
I tried playing World In Conflict for 3 hrs, (that's the ONLY game i play) and temp of highest CPU is only 65C.
i also just found out that those temps are with HT on, without HT, it's around 12-15C off all types of usage temps.
IF the CPU does burn out, i'll just get a new one. 975XE is only ~15% of my total system cost.
current system spec
Asus P6T7
kingston hyperx 6x2Gb DDR3-1800 9-9-9-27
i7 975XE
adaptec 51245
12x 1.5Tb seagates raid6 (where i keep all my images)
intel x25m G2-160Gb x2 raid0 for windows7 (strictly just for OS only)
asus GTX295
auzentech forte
avermedia HD capture
PCIe quad port firewire800
intel pro/1000 GT dual port. yes both ports are used.
2x27"
coolermaster CM832 with 4xSFLEX-G, 3x SFLEX-F
SNT-3051 SATA backplane/hotswap bay x2
SNT-2131 SATA backplane/hotswap x1
TRUE 120
pioneer DVR-218
stysen E04 docking 2.5" with seagate 500Gb 7200rpm. (this drive to keep all the installation programs and installers, including iso of OSes.)
FSP everest 1010ws PSU
that seems to be all i can remember now.
nope it's not a gaming rig, it's a digital imaging rig.
anyway back to topic.
yeah i know prime95 small FFTs can hit 93C. but seriously what uses/sustain that much temp? I was doing my work a couple of hours ago. where my TIFF zip file was reaching 3.6GB.
it didnt even go past 70C for the whole 5 hours.
and yeah. lapping an i7 really doesnt make much diff. unlike the old days of Q6600 with concave IHS. all my wasted time lapping the CPU. zzzzz
i know WEI means nothing but WEI reports as 7.7 / 7.9 / 7.9 / 7.9 / 7.9 with the CPU @ 7.7 LOL, i just find it lame that the CPU is the slowest of the lot.
before someone shoots me. yeah i know, should have gotten a quaddro. instead of GTX295. and i have no intentions of getting cheatahs. my whole rig is already a room heater.
and again. the reason i was asking cuz unlike the C2Q series, there was a temp that everyone recommended not to exceed, that is 80C. but i dont seem to find anything about i7 anywhere.
and those wondering what i do for a living.
my website. www.andywee.com
any beta bios since 0406??
No one has posted any feedback about special bios 0052 that was released over a month ago so I haven't contacted Asus lately because I have nothing to tell them good or bad.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1nq4wuny2ng
a new official Beat bios where nice